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GreedyTop -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 6:41:29 PM)

and sexy :) 



NuevaVida -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 6:56:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Occasionally I would take an otherwise healthy animal and take them far enough away so that they couldn't find their way back and drop them off.



Admittedly I haven't read the 10 pages of responses because I became so enraged upon reading this statement I couldn't read further.  Do you realize your animals are domesticated and can not fend for themselves in the wild?   So instead of finding a suitable home, no kill shelter or rescue center, you dump them?   Sure, yeah, I get it - possible starvation, being hit by a car, confusion and fear are SO much better than any other alternative.

I am sickened.



FirmhandKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 7:09:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Occasionally I would take an otherwise healthy animal and take them far enough away so that they couldn't find their way back and drop them off.



Admittedly I haven't read the 10 pages of responses because I became so enraged upon reading this statement I couldn't read further.  Do you realize your animals are domesticated and can not fend for themselves in the wild?   So instead of finding a suitable home, no kill shelter or rescue center, you dump them?   Sure, yeah, I get it - possible starvation, being hit by a car, confusion and fear are SO much better than any other alternative.

I am sickened.


Perhaps you should take the time to read the thread.

Firm



NuevaVida -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 7:21:40 PM)

I just did. My sentiments have not changed.



FirmhandKY -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/22/2009 7:30:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

I just did. My sentiments have not changed.


*shrugs*

Too bad. 

Firm



came4U -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 3:05:46 AM)

To continue with my previous comments....

I think it is cruel to abandon pets
I think it is cruel to declaw pets
I think it is cruel to remove/manipulate sexual organs

If anyone has a problem with that....honestly shove it.

My previous cat of 9 years went out one morning to return  with his eye bulging out of his socket from a cancer of the brain.

(He was born with a heart murmer and wasn't even expected to live over one year.  He was truly loved, spoiled and happy (despite having to be carried often to chase toys he enjoyed because he was just plain out of breath). He never went far, 20 feet max. at a time.... to sit upon a fence to gander over his property.  Running is nothing he ever could do).

.....that day (a Sunday) we took him to the vet quickly.  His exrays showed the large brain tumour. 

We had a choice, risky surgery that would remove the tumour and stitch his eye closed or surgery that would remove the tumour the eye and give him an artificial eye for cosmetic reasons.  He would become very ill from the operation, likely brain damaged or not wake up at all because of his heart...yet still costing up to $3000.00.

We chose for him to have a quick, painless death, cremation and a lovely box to return him home in. $660.00+ later, we have him home in a little pine box.  I still can't bury him.  He never liked the cold.

Vet said his chances of function after he (if he) awoke was less than 10% because of his oxygen/heart problems.

I would have paid thousands more to keep him alive pain-free if I could. 

He was not fixed, was not declawed (yeah, he was a lil bad in the early years with scratching leather couch and spraying some textbooks) but hey, I loved him anyways. 

So...if you advocate getting operations on animals because it is an inconvenience on you (not the animal) then maybe you are the inconvenience on that animal.  Just don't buy animals that are not allowed to breed.  In my eyes it is cruel.

You people who manipulate/remove an animals instinctual rights and needs to scratch and reproduce are the enemy if you ask me.  You are the irresponsible and selfish one pretending to be doing that animal a favour. [8|]



NuevaVida -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 8:13:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

I think it is cruel to abandon pets
I think it is cruel to declaw pets
I think it is cruel to remove/manipulate sexual organs



You people who manipulate/remove an animals instinctual rights and needs to scratch and reproduce are the enemy if you ask me.  You are the irresponsible and selfish one pretending to be doing that animal a favour. [8|]


I agree with your first two statements.  If I'm an enemy for disagreeing with the third, then I will wear that title proudly, as I am not an advocate of perpetuating the overpopulation problem of our domesticated creatures.  Not fixing cats leads to an overabundance of feral cats in the world, most of which live a miserable life.  Not fixing dogs & cats leads to overwhelming our local shelters so that there isn't enough room for folks who have the unfortunate need to give up their pets.  This is why so many hundreds of thousands of animals are put down each year. 

I picked up my cat from a shelter.  He had been brought in as a stray, was emaciated, mangled, and covered with fleas and grease.  They were going to put him down.  He is now a healthy, thriving, happy member of my home.  And he is fixed - not as a convenience to me but so as not to contribute to adding to the overpopulation problem and bringing more miserable little critters into this world to live a life of suffering.

Yeah, what an enemy of animals I am.  [8D]



LaTigresse -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 8:49:36 AM)

Came4u, and some of us that take the time to educate ourselves to what is best for the animal, think your view on non spaying and non neutering is pathetic.



angelikaJ -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 8:54:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

I think it is cruel to abandon pets
I think it is cruel to declaw pets
I think it is cruel to remove/manipulate sexual organs



You people who manipulate/remove an animals instinctual rights and needs to scratch and reproduce are the enemy if you ask me.  You are the irresponsible and selfish one pretending to be doing that animal a favour. [8|]


To: came4U

It is not a matter of convenience, it is a matter of responsibility.

"The single most important thing that we can do to save animals from all the suffering and death that their overpopulation causes is to spay and neuter them. Just one unaltered female cat and her offspring can produce an estimated 420,000 cats in only seven years. In six years, a female dog and her offspring can produce 67,000 puppies. So every time we spay or neuter just one animal, we prevent the births of thousands of animals. On the other hand, if we pass by even one unsterilized animal without seeing to it that she or he is spayed or neutered, we are turning our backs on thousands of unwanted animals and more than likely condemning them to hideous fates. "

From: http://www.helpinganimals.com/f-overpop5.asp 

Since you have focused on an animal's spraying (and I may be wrong about this) it seems like you favor male animals for pets.
In which case, you may not be giving much thought to all of the kittens who resulted from your cat sharing his genes.

I am sorry for your loss.

edit to highlight and clarify which poster I am addressing



Aynne88 -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 8:54:15 AM)

No kidding. I am against de-clawing as well. How on earth does that equate to spaying and neuturing being selfish? Stopping the rampant over breeding and neglect and overrunning of shelters? Just to name a few of the ramifications. Unbelieavable. came4you, you do these animals no favors at all by this. It is cruel to the animals and contributes to the death of them as well.    



Anarrus -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 8:54:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

To continue with my previous comments....

I think it is cruel to remove/manipulate sexual organs

If anyone has a problem with that....honestly shove it.

......Just don't buy animals that are not allowed to breed.  In my eyes it is cruel.

You people who manipulate/remove an animals instinctual rights ...........and reproduce are the enemy if you ask me.  You are the irresponsible and selfish one pretending to be doing that animal a favour. [8|]


This above is just NUTS!!

"Just don't buy animals that are not allowed to breed"  ....care to explain this sentence?

Thousands of animals, mostly dogs and cats, end up in already overcrowded shelters every year simply because boneheaded people won't spay and neuter their pets. Your logic in your argument simply is non-existent. What logic or even human decency is there is allowing a pet to breed only to have it's offspring relegated to living a sad existence in a shelter or euthanized at a later date when no home can be found for it? That happens most of the time..it's the norm and the rule, not the exception.
You're the enemy babe, whether you reconize it or not. Better seriously re-think your justifications and arguments.

Anarrus



BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 9:07:38 AM)

I am against dumping and anyone thats takes an animal out into no where and dumps them are sub human them selfs..Most have been a family pet and when dropped they usual die because they can;t fend for them selfs..WE live out in the country and scum are constan;ly dumping unwanted critters on us.dogs cats and yes even a couple of goats..The cats find a home in the barns and we have them fixed, we have a wonderful group of folks headed by our local vet that finds homes for the rest..We have kept a few of the dogs like MS Tiffany a 2 pound pom that someone drop on us as a pup, money couldn't buy hwe now as she has been a daddy's girl for about 9 years.
When you buy some thing from Diane's pet treats we make a 1 dollar donation to ASPCA in your mane or your pets, thats the least we can do..its also comes with a window sticker that lets the cops or firemen know that you have a pet in your house..Our critters are our baby's and are treated as so..just my three cents..b



Aynne88 -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 11:08:47 AM)

Yay Bounty Hunter.[:)]



KatyLied -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 12:19:14 PM)

I don't have an easy answer.  I would be pissed about anyone shoving the responsibility of their pet on to me.  I would not want to be bothered or put to the expense of carting it off to the shelter or bearing any fees associated with the shelter or animal control.  I do not have pets for a reason and evidently more people need to think before they take on responsibility for an animal.  Firm I feel for you and the dilemma, but I'm not a hater, they were never your responsbility to begin with.



sirsholly -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 12:25:16 PM)

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I would be pissed about anyone shoving the responsibility of their pet on to me. I would not want to be bothered or put to the expense of carting it off to the shelter or bearing any fees associated with the shelter or animal control.

i have strays dumped here quite a bit and although it is a pain in the ass, i prefer they are dumped off to me as opposed to ditched in the middle of no where to starve to death, get run over, etc.



domiguy -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 12:37:07 PM)

The other concern is what happens to the natural order of things when another predator is introduced.  I believe  I saw a program on feral cats that are wreacking havoc in the Australian outback. 

Fucking cats. 



KatyLied -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 12:38:14 PM)

We've had it happen at our cabin, which is located in a remote area and weeks can go by before we'd notice.  The one time it happened my cousin gladly took the cat home, integrated it into a home with 2 other cats and gladly is still caring for it.  It was very disturbing to me because the cat was starving when we found it and it was sickly.



BlackPhx -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 3:31:14 PM)

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I suspect that most of them have never had to make the hard choices. It's might easy to sit and pontificate about the morality of my treatment of some animals, when they do not have to face the same issues on a daily basis, with the animals at your door.

Firm


Many of us have had to make that hard choice, both rural and urban. I have rescued ferals and drop offs, fed them, found homes for them or places at the pound and kept a few through the years. I have called breed rescue for some, animal control for others, networked and freecycled for others. There is always a way, always a place if you want to spend the time to find it. I have never bought a dog or puppy, but every animal I have ever owned is a rescue, an adoptee or a stray that decided it was home. I have never just dropped an animal by the side of the road, never will. I have rescued many that have.

If you don't feed any but the ones you are keeping they will move on, if you don't want to make the effort to find them a home. Feed yours in the house. Call animal control and tell them there is a stray wandering around. They will pick up, that is their job. I call whenever I see one, because they ARE a hazard, not just to themselves but to livestock, other animals, cars, and children. Many shelters are no kill shelters these days, and a great many of them have cages and pens outside you can put an unwanted pet in at night. Those who dump and run by the side of the road, in my eyes are just too lazy to do what is right for a creature that trusts and loves them.

There are alternatives to breaking the bank..even on spaying and neutering..low cost nuetering is offered in almost every state these days and while neutering a male is easy and cheap, each litter a female has is upwards of 12 puppies each of whom will grow up to breed as well, and it shortens her life if she breeds each time she comes into season.

poenkitten



Irishknight -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 4:17:10 PM)



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I suspect that most of them have never had to make the hard choices. It's might easy to sit and pontificate about the morality of my treatment of some animals, when they do not have to face the same issues on a daily basis, with the animals at your door.

Firm


Actually, you avoided the hard choice and pushed it onto someone else when you dumped the animal.



MsConception -> RE: "Dropping off" an animal ... (2/23/2009 5:14:18 PM)

I guess, I really don't get the mindset of dropping off animals. I do, sort of, understand Firm's point of view. However, I am not sure he sees anyone else's.

I worked on a coastal area for many years, it was absolutely unbelievable how many pets people would dump or leave on the beach. I was picking up strays/dumped regularly. Fortunately, I had vets I worked with who would treat the critters (mostly dogs, a few cats, and then the one boa constrictor...and I hate snakes, but it did not belong, I dislike the letting go of non-indiginous species to take over an area) for the cost of the meds/supplies. I would have them spayed/neutered (yes, I understand many don't agree, but when you are talking about overpopulation then it just makes sense), treated for heartworms (which is a huge problem along the Gulf Coast) get their shots, and then find them good homes.

I have found a dog so covered in ticks his hermaticrit was 11 (basically he was pumping sludge, no fluid to his blood), I picked up several that had heartworms. I picked up one that had a broken leg that had to be amputated. I picked up a kitten that was about 1 week old (eyes still closed) just laying in the sand, apparently looking for the rest of its crew. Almost all the animals I picked up were emaciated and dehydrated (dogs can't drink salt water). You will have a very hard time convincing me that dropping off a dog is your best choice. In the 60+ that I picked up during that time, I only had one put down, and that was only because it attacked another animal without provication.

Shoot, if you have that many get your non profit status, build a few kennels then solicit donations, and find proper homes. But dropping off a pet in the middle of no where is almost a more certain death than taking them to the pound (at least in my area where heartworms are an issue as are fleas and ticks).




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