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Archer -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 6:42:20 AM)
Spinner Your post #9 on page 1 "Can someone plese tell me what situation you think is going to come up where you will reasonably NEED an assault rifle handy?" (Note you use the incorrect term Assault Rifle instead of assault weapon two entirely different catagories) Your Post #20 page 1 "We're seriously outgunned and will continue to be no matter how many 9mm's or sub machine guns that you own." Those are the instances where I noted your complicity in the hyperbole and mis-statements about the assault weapons ban targeting fully automatic weapons which is incorrect entirely. Stopping the ban will not allow anyone to own fully automatic weapons submachineguns or assault rifles, these weapons are already regulated an as mentioned and ignored many times in this post already. Assault Weapons as defined by the 1994 ban included No fully automatic weapons of any type. The ban included ONLY firearms that either looked like but were functionally different than some standard military weapons or firearms that looked sinister and had large magazine capacity, or accessories that made them Look like they could be military weapons.

Archer -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 6:58:14 AM)
To address the second part I have gone into that with slavemike a bit but will indulge in it again with you. Conversion of a semi auto only weapon to fully automatic is not nearly as simple as some folks make it sound. If you do it with the kits that are available then when you buy that part the ATF gets notified and guess what the law addresses this contingency already. Possession of both the kit and the weapon even if it has not been installed is considered possession of a Class III weapon. Finding and buying the auto sear is not cheap or easy. although someone with high amature skill at metalwork can convert the weapon if they go this route. Rigging up the firearm without the kit is doable but takes a level of skill that most folks don't really have to get good results, most hack job conversions jam regularly. The process is not without other difficulties either more than a few attempts result in ruined guns that won't function at all. Really though the person who is likely best versed at this would be Simply Micheal, who worked as a gunsmith. Conversion attempts without the proper paperwork is conspiracy to commit a federal firearms crime. The paperwork required to do it legally is the pretty much the same paperwork as it is to purchase a fully automatic weapon off the shelf. If you google up full auto conversions you'll find articles and books offered that tell you you can do it and some even give part of the instructions for free. But the online sites make it sound easier than it is.

RacerJim -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 7:00:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I caught a lot of flack here just the other day for my comments on his speech when I said I didn't watch it because he's proven himself a liar, and that his words don't mean anything. And here he is coming to back me up, what a guy. [:'(] Living in the Socialist Republic and Illegal Immigrant Sancturary of Montgomery County Maryland I've caught a lot of flack from my Obamabot neighbors for pointing out Obama's many broken campaign promises and lies caused me to refrain from watching his speech because he himself has proven that his words don't mean jack shit, which of course fell on deaf ears. The issue is not Obama's policies but, rather, Obama's character...the complete, total and utter lack thereof.

kittinSol -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 7:01:41 AM)
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Archer -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 7:09:11 AM)
rulemylife, The point you have missed is you are comparing the right to own with the right to operate You have the right to own a car because it is not prohibited by the constitution, it is included in amendments 9 and 10. I would be very happy to have my gun rights run exactly as the automobile rights are run right now. I can buy any car I wish to own and keep it on my property without need to license or register it. I can drive it around my property all day every day, with no police authority telling me what I can or cannot do so long as the automobile stays within the confines of my property. Other than noise ordinances which I have to obey because the sound doesn't stop at my property line. If on the other hand I wish to drive it on the public streets I have to register and get a license. That license is recognized by every state and city in the nation. The requirements for the license are reasonable prove you can operate it safely and prove you know the laws surrounding the use of the car. Please Please Please make it so that my gun rights are administered the exact same way.

Lorr47 -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 8:34:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I guess I just didn't see that darned asterisk that was floating in the air over his head. quote: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today. "As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters. Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1 I own a "few" firearms. When I show them I am often greeted with the "you are certifiably insane" or the "you are an anarchist look." That is until I tell them that I inherited them and tell them who I inherited them from. I have in the past fired virtually every automatic weapon ever made because my father had them and the only firearm dealer in western Michigan was a friend. But, why would you want to OWN one. We went through more than a thousand dollars of ammunition in each shoot. It was expensive (I did not pay for it so it was easy for me.) Does firing an automatic weapon show marksmanship? Hardly. Can you hunt with them? No. Will automatic weapons protect you ? No, they will just blow you to atoms if you start firing. Also, the licensing proposal cited was probably started by your own gun dealers. The last time this came up my friend the arms dealer clapped his hands and doubled the prices. When I expressed my concern, he showed me that there are two ways to obtain machine guns. The dumb person's way and the intelligent person's way. The proposal cited above will per usual only affect the dumb way of legally owing an assault weapon. Now, if you want to have fun buy a fifty caliber sniper rifle with scope and stand off about five hundred yards or more and have a marksmanship shoot. Yes, you can get them without harassment and cheap if you know an arms dealer who is not out to rape you. Also, do you want to guess who wins a rifle fight at a 1000 yards. The guy with the 50 caliber or the guy with the assault weapon? Sanity can I borrow you to put on a demonstration. I would get a thrill out of it. I do not think it would be that painful for you.

popeye1250 -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 9:09:53 AM)
Archer is correct. You can own an automatic weapon with the proper lisense from ATF. But, like Lorr said it can get very expensive very quickly shooting a .50 cal machine gun. Also, I have a problem with having to get a "lisense" or "permit" for a firearm. I don't need a "lisense" or a "permit" to vote or to excercise my other rights! I like Vermont's laws. And New Hampshire is headed in that direction too. If I still lived up in N.H. I'd take Kittinsol out shooting!

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 9:21:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 If I still lived up in N.H. I'd take Kittinsol out shooting! Hell - I'd move to New Hampshire for the chance to take KittinSol out doing anything.

Jack45 -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 9:58:42 AM)
2 VIEWS on guns for citizens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Israel_Emanuel Rahm Israel Emanuel: Gun Owners are Terrorists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vp7f1QKYmg Suzanna Gratia-Hupp: What the Second Amendment is REALLY For

domiguy -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 10:21:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Specifically to underscore the fact that President Obama's words are utterly meaningless. quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Then why start the thread? It is a bit of a dance. In the links you provided the most damning would be that I won't take away your "handgun, shotgun or rifle"...something like that. Are assualt rifles used for hunting? If they are well then he lied. It's a thin line. I think that you should have the right to bear arms "within reason." I'm just not sure what exactly "within reason" means. I get that no one wants to give an inch on the subject of losing gun rights...You give an inch they'll take a mile. It is exactly the same argument when conservatives bitch about the ACLU.

ladynlord -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 10:26:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: you are a "gun nut", "gun nutter", or on a "rant", or just a beer drinking cable guy, who prays with blood lust for the day that someone can be killed at their hands during a home invasion or carjacking. Feel free to point it out if I missed it. Here is what you missed, and many before this one: "THEN I'll consider supporting you beady-eyed, paranoid, GOP lovin' gun nuts who come off sounding more like Larry the Cable Guy after a couple cases of beer..." {see post number 121 in this thread}

domiguy -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 10:27:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I caught a lot of flack here just the other day for my comments on his speech when I said I didn't watch it because he's proven himself a liar, and that his words don't mean anything. And here he is coming to back me up, what a guy. [:'(] Living in the Socialist Republic and Illegal Immigrant Sancturary of Montgomery County Maryland I've caught a lot of flack from my Obamabot neighbors for pointing out Obama's many broken campaign promises and lies caused me to refrain from watching his speech because he himself has proven that his words don't mean jack shit, which of course fell on deaf ears. The issue is not Obama's policies but, rather, Obama's character...the complete, total and utter lack thereof. Wow you guys should be rejoicing. It is at least finally nice to be lied to in an eloquent manner. After the last eight years, it is hard to observe Obamas lies over the piling corpses of our dead soldiers.

BoiJen -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 10:31:23 AM)
Firearms law... Keep saying "gun" and most people are still going to go crazy trying to protect their dicks from being regulated. Again, I'm all in for firearms rights within reason, I have my own definition of "reason" and I have other priorities...like why the hell the states of Florida, Arkansas, Arizona, and California can all in one year decide that all people are created equal...expect for faggots. I'm betting that the US at large would decide that if militant fags who got their firearms out and decided to demand their rights, there would be a change in perspective on who should be allowed to have such weapons. Prioritize people. "My right to defend myself, my family, my community and my people" and yet instead of demanding these rights you so ardently want to protect, you sit back because it's not you. Call me tired of the shit. But when it was less than a month ago that women could actually sue their employers for paying men more for the same job, we got bigger issues that our firearms aren't going to fix. ALL politicians lie. This is not new. Get over it.

Sanity -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 11:04:46 AM)
Used car salesmen are also a eloquent liars. "Change we can believe in." "This beauty was owned by an old lady who only went to church once a week, and all the soldiers I'm sending to Afghanistan will never die. Never, not one - because we're balancing the budget with Universal Health care and trillions of dollars of new taxation on anyone who provides jobs." But you can feel good when that clunker breaks down a mile from the Obama used car lot because he was so damned eloquent as he lied... quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Wow you guys should be rejoicing. It is at least finally nice to be lied to in an eloquent manner. After the last eight years, it is hard to observe Obamas lies over the piling corpses of our dead soldiers.

domiguy -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 11:09:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Used car salesmen are also a eloquent liars. "Change we can believe in." "This beauty was owned by an old lady who only went to church once a week, and all the soldiers I'm sending to Afghanistan will never die. Never, not one - because we're balancing the budget with Universal Health care and trillions of dollars of new taxation on anyone who provides jobs." But you can feel good when that clunker breaks down a mile from the Obama used car lot because he was so damned eloquent as he lied... quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Wow you guys should be rejoicing. It is at least finally nice to be lied to in an eloquent manner. After the last eight years, it is hard to observe Obamas lies over the piling corpses of our dead soldiers. I am personally indifferent to the loss of assault rifles. I can understand why people are concerned..."it is the path to getting my handgun!" I'm not sure how much Obama lied on this one...it is a bit of a stretch.

thishereboi -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 11:09:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 If I still lived up in N.H. I'd take Kittinsol out shooting! Hell - I'd move to New Hampshire for the chance to take KittinSol out doing anything. Well I can't say that I would move there, but a road trip might be fun.

Sanity -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 11:48:08 AM)
That's probably the most important lesson President Obama has taught all the millions of young people who took the time to get up and go out to get registered and then to vote for him: quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen ALL politicians lie. This is not new. Get over it. [/sarcasm] Now, I'm not going to further debate whether or not Obama lied about taking rifles away, that's cut and it's dry. Anyone who has read the thread and is still denying that fact at this point has to have a little red mustache right above his or her lips. But I will say this - character matters. Who do we want leading us, someone with the mentality of a teenager who promises to clean their room, and then "forgets" as soon as you turn your backon him, or someone who does the job that's required without having to be asked. Obama's the teenager in this example. He promised to clean the mess up if we'll only loan him the car keys but he's out trashing the damn car instead, taking it for a joy ride with his rowdy friends. The lie about gun control is only one of many - and he just got in! What about fiscal restraint? He promised that, too - and it's already worse that a sick joke. And he said under his administration the public could examine and debate all legislation over the Internet for 48 hours before it comes to a vote, a part of what he called "openness in government". But the stimulus bill, his first piece of major legislation HAD TO BE rammed through without even Congress getting a chance to read it or debate it or in Obama's words there would be a "catastrophe". A TRILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF SPENDING! Then he took a mini vacation before signing it... We're only a month in, and one thing after another prove that Obama's speeches are just empty words.

BoiJen -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 11:58:13 AM)
Don't get on about the vacations...Bush was notorious for his golfing expeditions. As are many politicians. They're hand shakers and baby kissers...that's their job. Networking and socializing is their business...get as many people on your side as possible and make whatever you want happen. Here's the deal though....I don't think he lied about the firearms issue. We all know that democrats are big fans of the firearms ban. He said he wouldn't take them away...not that he wouldn't limit them or change them. You still have a right to bear arms. You've just been limited. I actually like some of the legislation going through. I also actually think now is a great time to buy Ford stock because it's cheap and it will go back up. Call me crazy but in five years when it's back more than $7/share and you only paid 1.85/share...you'll be happy about it. I think that appropriations issues should not have been passed in the stimulus bill but if the idea is to create jobs, and building bridges creates jobs well...I can't argue. Same with firearms...I can still own a weapon. I might not get than nice shiny one my buddy uses while he's at work with the US Army...you know the anti-aircraft weapon, but I can still own a weapon. And frankly, any weapon that I would buy hasn't been limited. I don't think he's trashing the car. I think he's cleaning out the junk and buying groceries before he cleans his room and (maybe) taking the long way home. Then again, that's my view.

DomKen -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 12:01:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jack45 2 VIEWS on guns for citizens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Israel_Emanuel Rahm Israel Emanuel: Gun Owners are Terrorists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vp7f1QKYmg I guess you thought everyone would believe your claim without actually watching the vid. Bad idea. The video is from Rahm Emmaneul speaking to the Brady Association where he advocates forbidding people on the "do not fly" list, IOW suspected terrorists, from buying handguns. So it seems clear that you and those who put up that video are in favor of the terrorists.

domiguy -> RE: Remember when Obama said he wouldn't come after people's guns? (2/27/2009 12:09:33 PM)
I understand where one could argue that he took away assault "rifles." Rifles being the key word. I also can understand that there is an argument to be made that they are not a useful tool for the general public and the pleasure one derives from target practice or owning one is overshadowed by their inherent danger. I don't agree with him backtracking on the timetable allowed for people to view potential legislation. The results of the Stimulus bill have yet to be seen...Impossible to tell what has been avoided.

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