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OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Conser... - 2/26/2009 3:54:40 PM   
Crush


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Status: offline 		If I have to have a label, that's the one I'd choose.    Personal rights and responsibilities.  Small government.   Individual freedom.

1) Everyone should be free to do as they choose, so long as they don't infringe upon the equal freedom of others.

2) Human interaction should be peaceful, voluntary, and honest. It is never acceptable to use physical force to achieve your goals. The only time force is acceptable is when you are defending against force.

3) The above principles must always be followed, with no exceptions, including government. Governments should not interfere with the interactions and exchanges of peaceful people.

source:  http://www.geocities.com/grnliberty/libprinciples.htm




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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 3:56:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, in an ideal world. The history of human behaviour suggests your 'voluntary association' and respecting the rights of others, is no less utopian in nature than Communism.

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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 4:14:29 PM   
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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 4:26:54 PM   
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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 4:31:21 PM   
Crush


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Yes, in an ideal world. The history of human behaviour suggests your 'voluntary association' and respecting the rights of others, is no less utopian in nature than Communism.


That's why I asked who is "MORE" a Libertarian than the other two....no one system is perfect.

ed: changed above


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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 5:33:03 PM   
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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 5:34:21 PM   
Crush


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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

How about another choice......

Disgruntled & Disenfranchised citizen



LOL ... 2 pts!



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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 5:50:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Definitely small l libertarian.  But I usually vote Republican.  Ron Paul was a little "out there" on foreign policy but I otherwise respect him.  Adamantly pro-gun, and pro leave-me-the-fuck-alone on economic and social issues.

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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 5:51:47 PM   
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I have this irrational idea that the document actually means something.

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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 6:16:49 PM   
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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 8:20:02 PM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		I've voted Libertarian for president for the past 4 presidential elections, nd I tend to vote for Libertarians for state and local offices as well.
I'm not a member of the party, but I do tend to have more in common with them than with either of the two big parties.


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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 9:15:25 PM   
NeedToUseYou


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Status: offline 		I'd say I'm more a libertarian, however, that implies for me anyway a overlap with many "conservative" principles. Though it doesn't imply that most modern day "conservatives" necessarily are following a conservative agenda.

But really here's what I believe in. Unless I'm threatening you in some way, leave me the fuck alone, that about sums up my world view.

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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 10:09:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		"In the context of the European socialist movement, libertarian has conventionally been used to describe those who opposed state socialism, such as Mikhail Bakunin. In the United States, the movement most commonly called libertarianism follows a capitalist philosophy; the term libertarian socialism therefore strikes many Americans as a contradiction in terms. However, the association of socialism to libertarianism predates that of capitalism, and many anti-authoritarians still decry what they see as a mistaken association of capitalism to libertarianism in the United States.[22] As Noam Chomsky put it, a consistent libertarian "must oppose private ownership of the means of production and the wage slavery which is a component of this system, as incompatible with the principle that labor must be freely undertaken and under the control of the producer."[23]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
What in the US is called "Libertarianism" I call "Radical Capitalism".

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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/26/2009 10:16:29 PM   
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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/27/2009 1:41:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd be a libertarian...but I have a heart.

And when it comes to their ridiculous "FairTax" proposal, I have a brain too.  lol

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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/27/2009 2:15:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sir Daddy

I'd be a libertarian...but I have a heart.

And when it comes to their ridiculous "FairTax" proposal, I have a brain too.  lol



I'm guessing your politics are as deep as your cliches are shallow

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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/27/2009 6:29:53 AM   
Crush


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1) I'm still trying to figure out why you'd think libertarians don't have a heart?  Nothing says they wouldn't help others in need.  Most libertarians I know are very generous, donating to charities and causes all the time.  I'd say they give more from the heart than either other camp.   They just do it quietly without expectation of recognition. 

2) Fairtax actually has quite a bit of research behind it.  Based on new consumption, not income. Who is more likely to buy new stuff?  Yeah, those nasty evil rich people.   Read the book for yourself instead of someone's slanted "Cliff Notes" version.




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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/27/2009 6:33:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Libertarian here. I want the government out of my fucking life.

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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 2/27/2009 6:49:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sir Daddy

I'd be a libertarian...but I have a heart.

And when it comes to their ridiculous "FairTax" proposal, I have a brain too.  lol



The tone of your post implies otherwise, on both counts.

Uncle Nasty

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RE: OK, who is more a "Libertarian" than a Co... - 3/7/2009 5:29:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Libertarian by disposition, and I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries, though I have found myself increasingly being pushed leftwards by the Republic Party's antics.

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