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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:24:28 PM   
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My experience in the UK was quite enjoyable..



Did you find people to be less sociable than Americans? It's often said in continental Europe that the English are impossible misanthropes who care a lot about not caring to belong. Any interesting experiences to share? Any pecularities you noticed?

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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:32:30 PM   
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I'm sure that will be mostly fine if you remain in the U.S.


I have been overseas.  I do go to great lengths to blend in when I am overseas.  As a rule, Germans are very gracious people, Brits and many others are not.  I travel alone,  I try very hard to blend in, mostly because I dont want to hear about "ugly americans".

Americans are loud and boisterous people.  I make no apologies for that.  That's just the way we are, if you dont like it, go fuck yourselves.



I'm sorry you feel you have the right to speak for all Americans (or are you just speaking for all "ugly americans"? in which case if you don't like it, stop soiling the rest of the world with your disgusting attitude)

Since you have better knowlege (or so your statements appear to indicate) of all Germans,all Brits and many others (whoever they are?) than I first suspected, I was most confused why you would be having to try so hard to blend in, perhaps being loud and boisterous is culturaly unusual in the regions you have travelled?

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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:33:30 PM   
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IN Dudley (the day of the Grand National -YAY! I got to see it!! ok, on the telly, but still!!!) we went out to several pubs, where everyone was as friendly as could be.  Wandering around the town, I did notice a difference in the way folks interact with each other on the street from the way I've grown accustomed to living in the South here.  Here, people will nod and if not say hello, usually there is at least some recognition of the other person (strangers).  What I saw in Dudley and London was more along the lines of what I see as typically NYC/LA behavior.. just walk along without actually SEEING strangers.  I saw plenty of folks talking and chatting, but considering (in DUdley) the size of the town I'd have to assume that they were friends/neighbors/semi-casual acquaintences.

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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:37:46 PM   
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I have been overseas.  I do go to great lengths to blend in when I am overseas.  As a rule, Germans are very gracious people, Brits and many others are not.  I travel alone,  I try very hard to blend in, mostly because I dont want to hear about "ugly americans".

Americans are loud and boisterous people.  I make no apologies for that.  That's just the way we are, if you dont like it, go fuck yourselves.



Funny, my last trip into the States, I generally found the people to be friendly. Maybe a good policy is to extent a bit of politeness to others and it'll be returned in kind?


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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:39:19 PM   
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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:40:39 PM   
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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:42:46 PM   
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I have been overseas.  I do go to great lengths to blend in when I am overseas.  As a rule, Germans are very gracious people, Brits and many others are not.  I travel alone,  I try very hard to blend in, mostly because I dont want to hear about "ugly americans".

Americans are loud and boisterous people.  I make no apologies for that.  That's just the way we are, if you dont like it, go fuck yourselves.



Funny, my last trip into the States, I generally found the people to be friendly. Maybe a good policy is to extent a bit of politeness to others and it'll be returned in kind?



I came across a fair number of loud and boisterous Americans (as said) when I was in Orlando Bear, are you SURE you didn't notice a few yourself?

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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:44:14 PM   
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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:46:55 PM   
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I can speak several languages, so maybe I can help a bit with the translation,I am currently refining my fluency in United States English,I am getting favourable results too,if you use the term "U.S." or U.S.A. then people from Iberia in particular may be less confused as to which American country you refer at any given time.


Spare me. 





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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:47:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Butch.. I do like MO.. it''s a gorgeous state, and I have had the good fortune to meet many wonderful people from there.  :)



As is true ANYWHERE...  there are going to be fucktards and there will be gems, and the whole range in between.  I don't care what continent youre on, country youre in, state/province/whatever.  Humans are humans.

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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:47:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		The thing is, what I saw and interpreted as loud and boisterous is a characteristic of the person's outgoing personality. Which I differentiate from a person being naturally rude, crass and highly arrogant! 

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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:49:05 PM   
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I can speak several languages, so maybe I can help a bit with the translation,I am currently refining my fluency in United States English,I am getting favourable results too,if you use the term "U.S." or U.S.A. then people from Iberia in particular may be less confused as to which American country you refer at any given time.


Spare me. 




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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:51:15 PM   
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My experience in the UK was quite enjoyable..



Did you find people to be less sociable than Americans? It's often said in continental Europe that the English are impossible misanthropes who care a lot about not caring to belong. Any interesting experiences to share? Any pecularities you noticed?


Actually NG, Greedy thought England was great so great in fact that she wants to go back and see lots more, this is problematic to me as the upshot is ME having to visit several "royal" landmarks, what's THAT going to do to my reputation !!!!! (I will of course avoid getting incriminated too badly by not getting in any of those pictures )

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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:52:59 PM   
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Be honest, please.  Where do your ideas come from?  From your parents?  From your early education (please specify)?   From life experience processed later in the game? What?



From my deep love and respect for our Constitution, from my gratitude for those who lived, fought, risked and died to draft it, ratify it, defend it,  and even change it when the need has arisen, from my own insatiable curiosity to understand it, understand what our founding fathers meant when they used certain phrases, words and terms, from educating myself on the language used back then, from reading complimentary documentation to glean even more understanding and from having a patriotism which has been with me for as long as my memories so much so that leaving my children and grandchildren to move to Portugal has had slightly less impact on me than leaving my country. I have tears in my eyes right now.. as I write this.. so, I´m thinking that probably answers the question as well as I am able.

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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:55:38 PM   
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I can speak several languages, so maybe I can help a bit with the translation,I am currently refining my fluency in United States English,I am getting favourable results too,if you use the term "U.S." or U.S.A. then people from Iberia in particular may be less confused as to which American country you refer at any given time.


Spare me.



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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 3:57:29 PM   
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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 4:09:19 PM   
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IN Dudley



Queen's English in that part of the world ain't it?

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(the day of the Grand National -YAY! I got to see it!! ok, on the telly, but still!!!)



Liverpool's only a hundred or so miles from Birmingham - you should try and get there next time you're over. Or Ladies Day at Ascot....big hat, frock, champagne etc.....

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just walk along without actually SEEING strangers. 



The villages are more accomodating in England.

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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 4:14:38 PM   
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It is a big deal to many.  I wish more U.S.citizens would look at our country from the world's point of view instead of only our own.  In the majority of countries, including other North and South American countries, the term "Citizen of the United States" is used not just "American" or even "North American."


The majority of the world uses that term, huh?  Please show me some proof for that assertion.  I don't believe it.  "Norteamericanos" is what many people in Latin American countries call us.  You learn that, when you take Spanish classes. 

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In the United Nations, this country is known as the United States of America.  It is not about who's first or right.  It is about respect.  If no respect is given, don't expect it back.  No matter who you are or how you identify, you are from Planet Earth.  That is the way of the future if we make it.


Yep, the word AMERICA is in the word.  I explained that.  We used it first; it's why we are generically called and call ourselves, Americans. 

It's not disrespectful to call yourself an American.  For the few people in the world that are hung up on semantics, I say get a hobby.  As for your sentiments about being from the Planet Earth, that's wonderful.  We can all join hands and sing "We are the World" now.  As for the future, I believe the children our are future.  Teach them well and let them lead the way.  Show them all the beauty they possess inside......


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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 4:15:02 PM   
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As is true ANYWHERE...  there are going to be fucktards and there will be gems, and the whole range in between.  I don't care what continent youre on, country youre in, state/province/whatever.  Humans are humans.

Well said, Greedy! I spent 3 awesome weeks in Brisbane with a friend a couple of years ago and didn't have any problems (except not realizing that the pub staff in Brisbane do not expect or accept tips, oops!) but then, I try to be a good representative of my country when traveling outside of it. It may be my vacation, but that is no reason to act like an ass and add to other peoples' bad impression of Americans (or is that United Statesians?).

Likewise, I've had the pleasure of having several friends from Europe come to visit, and all of them remarked on how friendly they found most of the people here to be.... as well as how GIGANTIC the portions at the restaurants here are.
True story: an Irish friend of mine came over for a group meet in Las Vegas a couple of years ago. As we were sitting down for dinner at a casino restaurant, he told me that he was starving and asked what he should order. I suggested the French Dip sandwich and fries, to which he said, "But do you think that will be enough, I'm really hungry!" I laughed and nodded, and he ordered it. When the waitress delivered the thing (big French roll stuffed with sliced beef and cheese and enough fries to fill the rest of the platter), his eyes got HUGE and he said, "It's going to take me a bloody WEEK to eat that!"
He and his girlfriend (British) took to splitting entrees for the rest of the trip.


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RE: americanness - 3/1/2009 4:20:06 PM   
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the upshot is ME having to visit several "royal" landmarks

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I took my mum to Norfolk last year, and she loves all that royal carry on, so I took her to Sandringham on a tour. The guides were typical Norfolk folks - conservative and died-in-the-wool royalists. It was a really interesting experience. The guides were interesting themselves - had a good chat with an old dear who you could just tell wanted to build a moat 'round Norfolk to keep the rest of the world out. The history of some of these stately homes is fantastic - many of the Norfolk owners during the reformation were catholics, and it's interesting to hear of the problems they faced. I'd certainly recommend to any visitor to England a trip 'round a few stately homes.

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