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BitaTruble -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 4:57:18 PM)
fr~~ Wow, I just finished reading the thread. Quite a bit going on. ::chuckles:: Well, here´s the thing. We are the melting pot and every religion, every nationality, every culture, every belief, every holiday, every political affiliation, hell, even every food that is found on planet Earth is found on the dirt which resides between the borders of the Pacific/Atlantic, Canada/Mexico. United States Nationals is the official name for our citizens for those who are wondering but beyond that to look at our country, as slaveboy joked, we actually are the world. Is there any country on the planet that cannot find it´s own native born sons or daughters within our borders? We are arrogant because the Portuguese are arrogant .. and they live in America. We are loud because the Brits are loud (just watch a soccer match in England) and they, too, live in America. We are ugly because the Spanish, the Irish, Iraqis, Swedish, Chinese, Mungs, Italians etc., etc., .. are all loud, arrogant, proud, ugly, generous, vindictive, caring, kind, nurturing etc. and they all live in America. There is nothing about the world that is not duplicated, somewhere on the slab of dirt between those two big wet spots. ~~ Got a problem with America? Look in the mirror.. because it is you who made us and it is you who are us. We are here because your fathers, grandfathers, neighbors, friends and even your enemies made your way to these borders and added a bit more to the pot. A bit more flavor, a bit more culture and here you have it. America. You don´t have to love it.. but you cannot deny that you and yours helped to create it.

kdsub -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:04:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop Butch.. I do like MO.. it''s a gorgeous state, and I have had the good fortune to meet many wonderful people from there. :) As is true ANYWHERE... there are going to be fucktards and there will be gems, and the whole range in between. I don't care what continent youre on, country youre in, state/province/whatever. Humans are humans. I hope I wouldn't disappoint you… I guess I’ve been lucky…everywhere I’ve been in the world I’ve met good people…except for the few that were shooting at me. I’ve also traveled with many groups and never have seen the ugly American everyone talks about…I think folks are watching too many movies. Butch

piratecommander -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:05:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Instead of talking about a place you evidently know little about...the next time you and the wife step over the pond come on down to Missouri I'll be happy to show you the real America...I think you will be surprised and will feel right at home. We’re good at that. Butch Is that an invite? I'm all for experiencing how local people live, eat, socialise, etc and enjoying local food and drink anywhere in the world. I do not think I will be as surprised as you think though. Pirate

GreedyTop -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:08:31 PM)
Butch.. I have seen ugly americans... they made me cringe (this was in Paris). I tried to pretend I was Dutch...LOL

kdsub -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:11:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble fr~~ Wow, I just finished reading the thread. Quite a bit going on. ::chuckles:: Well, here´s the thing. We are the melting pot and every religion, every nationality, every culture, every belief, every holiday, every political affiliation, hell, even every food that is found on planet Earth is found on the dirt which resides between the borders of the Pacific/Atlantic, Canada/Mexico. United States Nationals is the official name for our citizens for those who are wondering but beyond that to look at our country, as slaveboy joked, we actually are the world. Is there any country on the planet that cannot find it´s own native born sons or daughters within our borders? We are arrogant because the Portuguese are arrogant .. and they live in America. We are loud because the Brits are loud (just watch a soccer match in England) and they, too, live in America. We are ugly because the Spanish, the Irish, Iraqis, Swedish, Chinese, Mungs, Italians etc., etc., .. are all loud, arrogant, proud, ugly, generous, vindictive, caring, kind, nurturing etc. and they all live in America. There is nothing about the world that is not duplicated, somewhere on the slab of dirt between those two big wet spots. ~~ Got a problem with America? Look in the mirror.. because it is you who made us and it is you who are us. We are here because your fathers, grandfathers, neighbors, friends and even your enemies made your way to these borders and added a bit more to the pot. A bit more flavor, a bit more culture and here you have it. America. You don´t have to love it.. but you cannot deny that you and yours helped to create it. I like your description…good post I wonder if Germans and Italians fit the arrogant, loud, and ugly? …I know from personal experience the ugly part is true of my heritage… Butch

kdsub -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:13:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: piratecommander quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Instead of talking about a place you evidently know little about...the next time you and the wife step over the pond come on down to Missouri I'll be happy to show you the real America...I think you will be surprised and will feel right at home. We’re good at that. Butch Is that an invite? I'm all for experiencing how local people live, eat, socialise, etc and enjoying local food and drink anywhere in the world. I do not think I will be as surprised as you think though. Pirate Sure I was hard on you and need to atone.. what part of the US is the wife from... if I'm not getting too private. Butch

kittinSol -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:16:19 PM)
Butch, are you the only person on collarchat who hasn't yet heard about Greedy and Pirate's wedding [:-] ?

kdsub -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:20:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Butch, are you the only person on collarchat who hasn't yet heard about Greedy and Pirate's wedding [:-] ? Looks like I am...boy I sure seem to step in things lately...well if that’s the case he can't be all bad to attract such a lady. Butch

GreedyTop -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:22:45 PM)
blush thats sweet of you to say, Butch... and I am in Florida :)

piratecommander -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:24:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent had a good chat with an old dear who you could just tell wanted to build a moat 'round Norfolk to keep the rest of the world out. Isn't Norfolk at risk of sinking if they dig a moat 'round it ? (couldn't resist that NG ... ) Actually the county has some great people ... and fish and chips, I recommend Andrews Chippy in Caister and the Pub just behind the lifeboat station ... "The Ship" is the very hospitable epitome of an English pub. Pirate

piratecommander -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:30:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub ...well if that’s the case he can't be all bad to attract such a lady. Butch I'm not all bad, but I'm working hard on it, and by the way ... that's no lady ... that's my wife! [sm=evil.gif] Pirate

SirJ40 -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 5:32:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aravain ~FR~ My criteria for Americanness is simple: Are you an American Citizen, or attempting to become one? If yes congratulations, if no, sorry you're not an American. Does anyone else believe it's that simple? I don't think so D: Well, on the second part, you'd be right...I don't believe that it's that simple.. but as for the first? I'm not sorry at all.... I'm as patriotic a Canadian as any American is about their country. Therefore, I'm sorry for you, that you cannot be Canadian. hhhooooooboy.. this is gonna get interesting And before it gets said... no, Canadians and Americans are NOT "exactly alike".. we are, in fact, entirely different, even though we bear certain superficial resemblances.

beargonewild -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 6:04:27 PM)
Nicely stated SirJ40!

piratecommander -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 6:20:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirJ40 Well, on the second part, you'd be right...I don't believe that it's that simple.. but as for the first? I'm not sorry at all.... I'm as patriotic a Canadian as any American is about their country. Therefore, I'm sorry for you, that you cannot be Canadian. I admire your pride. quote: ORIGINAL: SirJ40 hhhooooooboy.. this is gonna get interesting I hope so. quote: ORIGINAL: SirJ40 And before it gets said... no, Canadians and Americans are NOT "exactly alike".. we are, in fact, entirely different, even though we bear certain superficial resemblances. I knew that. (I very much hope I get the chance to visit your country in my time.) Pirate

kittinSol -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 6:32:57 PM)
I heard Canada is like a civilised version of the U.S.A. [8D] .

GreedyTop -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 7:01:10 PM)
snort

Lucylastic -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 7:02:22 PM)
heh that was so tempting so so tempting Lucy

HalfShyHalfWild -> RE: americanness (3/1/2009 7:05:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Well, for the majority of us over the pond, our understanding of what an American is, is gleaned from all the American shows we see here. Do you really have flag break in the morning ? Do people really call adults sir and ma'am ? I'm not sure what you mean by flag break, unless you mean the Pledge of Allegiance in schools? Yes, they do that. Use to be more common for sir and ma'am but seems to be dying out, though I have noticed in some regions, it's still more prevalent, usually your smaller towns. eta: Sorry, I thought I was responding to a newer post, not an older one, you've probably been answered a million times by now lol.

piratecommander -> RE: americanness (3/2/2009 1:57:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HalfShyHalfWild I'm not sure what you mean by flag break, unless you mean the Pledge of Allegiance in schools? Yes, they do that. Out of cultural curiosity, do the children of those on student/diplomatic/limited/working visa who are not U.S. citizens but going to school there participate in this and if not, how are they excused? Pirate

slaveboyforyou -> RE: americanness (3/2/2009 2:10:31 AM)
quote: Out of cultural curiosity, do the children of those on student/diplomatic/limited/working visa who are not U.S. citizens but going to school there participate in this and if not, how are they excused? Pirate We only did it in elementary school when I was a kid. We did in our home room every morning. I don't think there were too many exchange students coming here for elementary school. Now we did say it at pep rallies and such when I was in high school. The National Anthem always gets played before a sporting event. So I guess some exchange students were present. No one forces you to say it; it's not a law. If you don't want to say it, you just don't.

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