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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 8:43:00 PM

TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
my understanding is that state officials--not teachers, and certainly not their unions--set curricula.

State officials who understand how important the union is to getting and keeping the job, and will owe favors once in office. Think about the mailers you probably got during the last school board race. Any endorsements on those cards? Think too about how vocal these unions are. They have considerable influence.

I wasn't suggesting they write it directly. Just being my own sarcastic self about their role in shaping the agenda. That is one of the unions I would simply outlaw.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 8:43:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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Debate me on the issues at hand, not what you think "I get or don't get".

Cool. The issue at hand is that President Obama came to this job with a complete lack of any executive experience. What are your thoughts on how concerned we should be about this?

I thought I gave you my thoughts on that.

But to reiterate, I don't believe the "executive experience" argument is valid.

A Senator makes as many, if not more, decisions than the President makes regarding how the country is run.

You may argue that his is only one voice in an elected body, but the President is only one voice as well, who accomplishes things primarily with the support of Congress.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 8:45:00 PM

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Yeah,cheney the vice-treasonist, worked out real good.

Didn`t he?

Nuff said....

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 8:59:48 PM

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But to reiterate, I don't believe the "executive experience" argument is valid.

A Senator makes as many, if not more, decisions than the President makes regarding how the country is run.

So then we are back to you not comprehending the differences between executive and legislative. This isn't a matter of your belief, RML.

You have yourself a nice night.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 9:07:00 PM

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And how is it that you imagine yourself the arbiter of what`s fact and what`s belief?

What`s relevant and what`s not?

Seems a bit arrogant.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 9:13:25 PM

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And how is it that you imagine yourself the arbiter of what`s fact and what`s belief?

What`s relevant and what`s not?

Seems a bit arrogant.

Depends entirely on how ignorant the other party is. How would you imagine yourself the arbiter of fact and belief if someone was suggesting that nails could be driven just as well by whacking them with the handle of a screwdriver, instead of a hammer?

This is really basic stuff.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 9:19:26 PM

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Really?

So you didn't find Bush taking the federal debt from under $5 trillion to over $11 trillion scary?

You didn't find the $700 billion bank bailout Bush pushed through scary?

You didn't find the fact we have been importing a record trade deficit from China throughout the Bush administration which labeled the country (and rightfully so) a major violator of human rights scary?

Certainly these things are really bad. Bush economy was a scam pyramid scheme; it really never recovered from the recession that started year 2000. The hope that government deficit spending mysteriously revives economy in few years is very strange wishful thinking. I would not pump a penny into the system that does not work productively. Major structural reforms are needed in the economy. Regrettably, Washington incl. president office is run by corporate power and special interest and before anything meaningful can happen the system needs to crash first.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 9:19:48 PM

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I didn`t see any suggestions like that.

I see a discussion.And people who can`t manage even that basic level of interchange.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 9:27:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

i like how unproven rumors about Bush are considered facts with Obama supporters.

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No shit?

He liked cocaine?

Have you been living in a cocoon and somehow missed all the reports of Dubya's cocaine use? Not to mention he had to be "born again" because apparently he couldn't control his drinking.

George W. Bush substance abuse controversy - Wikipedia

.Bush has described his days before his religious conversion in his 40s as his "nomadic" period and "irresponsible youth" and admitted to drinking "too much" in those years. In Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President by James Hatfield, Bush is quoted as saying that "alcohol began to compete with my energies ... I'd lose focus". Although Bush states that he was not an alcoholic, he has acknowledged that he was "drinking too much",[1] and that he couldn't remember a day when he hadn't had a drink, including his stay at Phillips Academy, where not only was he underage but alcohol was prohibited on campus, as well as at Yale University where, conversely, "hard drinking" was considered a badge of honor.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 9:36:20 PM

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I think the shame of cheer leading lead him to be an alcoholic.

That and the fetal alcohol syndrome he suffered.

If anyone wants some insight into why bush is the way he is,just think "dry drunk" and all the character flaws and narcissism will make sense.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 9:38:55 PM

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The only thing I find even slightly disappointing about the Obama administration so far is his attempts at bipartisanship. Obviously, the republicans don't want to play ball. So, they should be marginalized, and steamrollered over wherever possible.

The GOP is no longer relevant to the running of this country, thank God. Ignore them, and get on with it.

Really. The Repubs don't want anything to do with bipartisanship, as evidenced by Limbaugh at the CPAC (comments by Vonhentzau):

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This is a great clip of Limbaugh addressing CPAC:

http://www.dailykostv.com/v/000929.html
According to the Lush, Repubs have to

"...stop assuming tha tthe way to beat them is with better policy ideas."

And this is this, on "bipartisanship".

"To us bipartisanship is them being forced to agree with us after we have politically cleaned their clocks and beaten them."

Yep, that's bipartisanship. You can kinda see how he appeals to a crowd that prizes the imagery of force over intellectualism.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 9:49:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Depends entirely on how ignorant the other party is. How would you imagine yourself the arbiter of fact and belief if someone was suggesting that nails could be driven just as well by whacking them with the handle of a screwdriver, instead of a hammer?

This is really basic stuff.

You know TH, for a while I believed you were someone worthy of having a debate with.

Unfortunately, you are proving your own ignorance by using that term to deride those that don't share your opinions.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 9:54:17 PM

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Ah,but RML,it`s so mush easier and simpler to deride a CM member,than respond to a member`s points.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 9:58:46 PM

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Unfortunately, you are proving your own ignorance by using that term to deride those that don't share your opinions.

Then you are a bit more patient than I, RML...

     "Ignorant" simply means one does not know. There are many things I am ignorant of. I mostly just read the threads on those topics.

      If I wished to be derogatory, I would have suggested you were being willfully ignorant.



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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 10:01:16 PM

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Ah,but RML,it`s so mush easier and simpler to deride a CM member,than respond to a member`s points.

I'm sure you would know more about that than I, O59

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 10:11:30 PM

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Unfortunately, you are proving your own ignorance by using that term to deride those that don't share your opinions.

       Then you are a bit more patient than I, RML...

    "Ignorant" simply means one does not know. There are many things I am ignorant of. I mostly just read the threads on those topics.

     If I wished to be derogatory, I would have suggested you were being willfully ignorant.

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Well. then maybe we can get back to discussing the topics instead of this nonsense.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 10:13:12 PM

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How can you, of all people, call someone else out on not responding to points?

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Ah,but RML,it`s so mush easier and simpler to deride a CM member,than respond to a member`s points.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 10:18:12 PM

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Well. then maybe we can get back to discussing the topics instead of this nonsense.

Maybe. Have you had a chance to read up a bit on separation of powers, and google a definition of "executive?" Cuz if you just wanna go back to how being the one person in charge is no different than being a piece of the beaurocracy, I might just head off to bed. Tomorrow is likely to be a busy day.

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 10:19:36 PM

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nevermind Just too easy a shot

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RE: A Question for liberals... - 3/1/2009 10:21:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

How can you, of all people, call someone else out on not responding to points?

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Ah,but RML,it`s so mush easier and simpler to deride a CM member,than respond to a member`s points.

Not sure what you mean.

I stick to the discussion,unlike you and score keeper harry,who seem easily distracted by the personal.

Back to the discussion,shall we?

Or are we not intelligent enough to understand?

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