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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 4:49:02 AM   
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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 5:07:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're not like vastly oversimplifying and making overbroad reaching generalizations here or anything are you corysub? I mean you are all over the map. Talking about sending people that had no trials back to the Taliban, Hitler, China as an ATM, and only god knows whatever else you are ranting about.

Have you ever taken a moment to contemplate the beauty (yes even with its flaws) and the wisdom of our founding fathers and the various documents they wrote out and signed that are our current laws and the rights afforded to us by their knowledge and experiences? I mean seriously, its a fuckin beautiful thing. They gave us power and liberties that never existed before in the recorded annals of time. One should not loose sight of that fact when spewing out vitriol and talking points from the latest new "cool" cable show/host/book/blog/site/notion, or wherever you get your "information" from. Life is not about reproducing and reposting some other persons articles and doctrines. It should be about YOU thinking for yourself and acting upon what you think is right and just. If you truly, really and honestly think that virtually anything neocon related is good for society, well hey, more power to you and your totally insane mind. I really think though, that if you stepped back for a moment, took a deep breath, you would find that NO party, no politician, no idealogy, is right for everyone all the time. This world and life is not black and white. Its not a one size fits all type game plan. Just because I am big enough to admit that G.W. Bush is a retarded asshole and most of his followers are fucking numbnutted idiots, does NOT mean that I am a hardcore full time liberal Democrat for life and support all details they pontificate about. Seriously dude, think for yourself once in awhile and stop with the recantations of those that profit from their reguritations of currently popular blather. :)

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And so in the year 2009, the democrat party rallied around their vibrant young President, repealed the Patriot Act, released the hundreds of remaining prisonser held in Gitmo to the new Taliban government of Afganistan, and settled in to enjoy the coming fruits of the "Stimulus Package" enacted earlier in the year by only members of their parties and three, later to be found insane, Senators from the other side of the aisle   As the Führer of the House of Representatives had said "We Won"...and by December of 2009 all power was pretty much consolidated in the democrat party.

The citizens of the republic, however, were not prepared for what came next...
"Time is required for the accomplishment of anything important. It is only with time that great plans may be brought to maturity and the competent men be found who are capable of carrying them out. Not surprisingly, therefore, any economic plans drawn up amid all this shifting for short-term political advantage were bound to fail." 

"The expense of the huge debt being piled on the backs of corporations and individuals took it's toll sooner than anyone could imagine." And the only source of funds, China, was now in the midst of it's own economic recession and the world ATM that the democrats had counted on..was closed!

People looked at each other in disbelief as the pillars of their democracy crumbled before their eyes.

A fantasy?...a nightmare?....over the top rants of a neocon?....could it happen?.... I don't know it's "fiction" that I made up...but is it?
Could history repeat itself....Each of us has their own belief in what the "truth" ahead might be instore for our country.

                        http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p299_Degrelle.html

"Overwhelmed by the cessation of payments and the number of current accounts in the red, even Germany's central bank was disintegrating. Harried by demands for repayment of the foreign loans, on the day of Hitler's accession to power the Reichsbank had in all only 83 million marks in foreign currency, 64 million of which had already been committed for disbursement on the following day."

"Any hope of paying off these deficits with new taxes was no longer even imaginable."

"Nothing is given for nothing. In politics, manacles are imposed in the form of money."


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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 5:10:45 AM   
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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 5:29:45 AM   
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When his big, ideas backfire, he will blame someone else, thats for sure.
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When his big, ideas backfire, he will blame someone else, thats for sure.


You gotta love people who claim to love America and then post things that show how badly they want the president to fail, despite the damage that would do to the country and at worst want to see the country go down the toilet so that their politicians can retake the country on a wild trip to the far right.

Ok...I'll be the asshole. I believe that we're in for some very rough times. I believe that it may take many years to get fully through this and back to "business as usual". But I believe America is strong enough to weather this storm. Sooner or later this economic crisis will end. In four years there will be another presidential election. In four or eight years, Obama will peacefully leave office, and the basic life of America will resume.

I find it shamefull that so called patriots have so little faith in their country.


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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 6:06:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I love our country and I want to see it prosper again, just Obama scares me. His pro-union stance is scaring big business in a hard way. Big companies dont want to deal with the union crap, it makes them unprofitable and they close or move to another country. I know Democrats are jealous of the rich. I think we should make it easy for the people of wealth to keep spending their money, instead of penalizing them, it benefits us all. He is trying to do too much in a wrong direction, one that sounds good on paper, was tried before and failed, it might get a temporary boost, but in reality the long term plan will fizzle shortly. I have no interest in The Wealth Being Spreaded Theory. The rich worked hard to get there, and the poor just stay in their uneducated warped corner ordering take out 3 times a day. The rest feel lucky to be middle class or near it.

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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 6:20:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		To my dear liberal friends...and those that want to be now called "progressive" instead of liberal...

My little "rant" as Vanessa put it drew only MYconclusions, my fears, with respect to where I see our country heading...you, and "Spinner" and the others can wallow in your own joy over a Barack Obama Presidency and a Nancy Pelosi legislative agenda.  And what is YOUR fantasy VISION of the future for our country...That's what these chat pages are mostly about and the more extreme conservative views get the attention of Moderator 11. I'll miss  Coldwarrior57's voice here.

As to :"reprinting" articles from others Vanessa...I guess you don't believe in "history"..and so those that deny history are doomed to repeat it..as the old saying goes. However,many of us do see scary parallels in the breakdown of fairnness in this country..from penalzing the wealthy to again activating the "fairness doctrine" that is aimed at gagging the conservative voice in the land.  If you can't win the debate, just muffle the other side, seems to be the liberal methodology.

And please..spare me the pretentious reference to the "founding fathers"!  Do you believe that those brave men of vision could imagine the state of affairs in the country today?  Do you think they could imagine a citizenry that has given up on the pursuit of happiness and, instead, is waiting for the "government" to feed, clothe and nuture them through life?  Do you think that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were meant to mean that a citizen was "entitled" to live off the taxpayers tit all their lives, to have an educational system that costs hundreds of billions of dollars a year that can point to the better prepared our young children are to understand their sexual appetite,  than the history of their own country, mathematics, their own language skills, and respect for the republic with a morning pledge.  Where in the Declaration or the Constitution do you see the word "entitlement"...where do you see the philosophy of "redistrubution of wealth from producers to non-producers"..?

If you can't see the issues of the day in the history of the 1930's..than you are welcome to the government you get. My only problem with that is, however, you and the intellectual idiots on the left who have the answer to all the problems of mankind are taking ALL of us down with their complacency. 

All I see in response from liberals are mostly personal one liners, stupid political bumper sticker phrses,  and people trying to sound "grown up" by saying the word fuck.  Hey..it's still a free country and you can say whatever you want...for the time being.


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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 7:40:02 AM   
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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 7:41:38 AM   
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When I listened to President Obama's last major speech,
I thought, WOW he is trying to do to much.

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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 8:16:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Big companies dont want to deal with the union crap, it makes them unprofitable and they close or move to another country."

Nonsense.  Blaming the unions is managements way of saying that they're out of ideas on how to make a company profitable.  Accountants that run many companies are good at counting paperclips, but not very good at the vision necessary to constantly innovate or die.  Or they don't understand that people working in a company want to feel loyalty, and when that's betrayed they get angry- and bitch to a union.  When you're too stupid to develop new products- you blame the unions.  It's a poor carpenter that blames his tools....

Cory

Your history is deeply flawed about Nazi Germany and the parallels with the Obama administration don't make sense (although parallels with the Bush II administration are much more logical, but pointless now.)  Consider this- Obama was elected without a lot of support by the wealthy, but by a grass roots campaign that got younger voters and other disenfranchised people active.  Hitler made a power grab (he was never elected by a majority) using thugs paid for by the wealthy (the Brownshirts) and lawyers paid for by the same people that enabled a relative handful to get control of the press and the courts  (Goebbels was a genius at figuring this stuff out.)- and a popular democracy was done.  Hindenburg, the President of the country- played right into Hitler's hands even though Hindenburg hated Hitler.  Hindenburg wanted martial law to deal with the economic crisis- he was an old man who was out of touch and didn't realize that the Weimar Republic was actually popular.  So I don't see how the current Obama administration which is restoring laws and liberties and was elected with a majority which clearly still supports his agenda (although the wealthy aren't so happy) compares to Hitler who ignored popular sentiment and used fear, wealthy supporters, and a blatant disregard for laws to take over a country.


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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 11:09:02 AM   
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I don't give a shit what color his hair is, all I care about right now is what color the Dow average is displayed in at the top of my MSNBC homepage - and it's been red almost every damned day since he took office, largely because he is not keeping his eye on the damned ball. I hired him to fix the damned economy, and in a month and a half he has done exactly nothing to stabilize the shattered foundation of that economy, the financials sector. And every day the traders on the Street point out what they think of his inaction.


The rise and fall of the Dow average isn't an indication of the strength of the economy or of the wisdom of a particular economic plan or of the long-term viability of a particular course of action, it's an indicator of how analysts and traders feel about the possibility of turning a quick profit.  Traders are looking for the kind of high-return low-risk vehicles that were creating so much of the wealth a few years ago but they're not out there.  That's not because of anything Obama has done or hasn't done, it's because they didn't actually exist.  Returns and risk tend to track pretty closely.  That's pretty fundamental stuff, but apparently we need to relearn it.  I think that once the traders get more accustomed to dealing with risk, we'll see money move around more freely.  I don't think we gain in the long term by trying to make it safer to make risky investments now.

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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 11:22:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The first thing any new coach says when taking over a team is "Raise your expectations."  It's not that he's trying to do too much.  It's that we've been conditioned to expect too little.

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

When I listened to President Obama's last major speech,
I thought, WOW he is trying to do to much.




L&M, wonderful post.
After 8 years of seeing a President that did next to nothing domestically,
except help his friends in business, having a President that is gung ho is
jolting!
It's like sitting in the dark for years, and then someone abruptly turns on the lights.

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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 12:02:31 PM   
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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 3:17:43 PM   
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I find it bizarre that for 8 years we had an administration that as a matter of policy enriched, IOW fed, clothed and nurtured them through life, one segment of the population, Haliburton, KBR, BlackWater and other military contractors, and the right wingers didn't have any complaints but now that everybody might benefit from government action it is somehow the worst thing ever.


I am putting my shoppiing list together as to how I am going to spend all that $13 a week that "might" be in my paycheck. 

As far as "enriching" Halliburton...I don't think people attacking that company have any idea that if they have a 401K in a mutual fund they might be one of those wealthy stockholders since 81% of the shares are held by institutions and mutual funds.

People are living in a "dream world" thinking that they are going to benefit from a government so called "Stimulus Plan" that is nothing more than "shovel ready dung" that has been  ageing in the back of the liberal barn for years.  How many of these "porkie"  programs are really critical to the United States, how many are actually creating "jobs" or, in the words of our Dear Leader.."saving jobs"...And whose job is it that government saves...do I have to spell it out....
                               G OV E R N M E N T   J O B S !!
If you work for a Federal, State or municipal government and get a paycheck from the taxpayers of the country..I think there is a really good shot that your job is going to possibly make it through this downturn.  If you are a saleswoman at J.C. Penney...you better start getting into shape so you can move out to the West and help them build those "windmills" that are going to power the country..Excuse me, I've got to barf!!
And if your middle aged and can't move, work in a non-union shop...you might enjoy eating spam....  Anyone who is not fearful of what is coming down the pike in our direction and believes that Obama is going to feed, clothe and protect them and their families...sighs...I can't even go on here...how does one destroy such a wonderful illusion.  Yep..us neocons have no clue...Obama, Pelosi, Barney Frank ( yea Barney Frank..the guy that said we had to put a "house in every pot") and the ever popular land baron The Senate Majority Leader, Mr. Reid.
As far as the administration, I think their plan to keep nominating democrats with tax issues is a great way to pay down the national debt. Keep it up Mr Geithner...btw, did you check to the IRS clear?

The rest of the post is well...."enrich, fed, clothe and nurtured them through life? ! Your lips to God's ears!. I only wish...I would gladly take those government checks for just .... well..just because, kinda like that Al Franken character on SNL.





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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 3:43:30 PM   
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The stimulus plan is full of construction projects. People who build roads, bridges, high speed railroads and public buildings work for construction firms that are struggling with few new houses being built. New high tech businesses will form and employ skilled workers to build windmills and solar panels. Those people and businesses spend money throughout the rest of the economy and that helps saves jobs in local communities.

81% of Haliburton is held by the public? No surprise. Doesn't change the fact that the previous administration gave them preferential treatment that went into the pockets of top executives and a certain former CEO. I sure hope if anyone was holding stock in Haliburton they sold last summer when it was at 52 rather than now where it is back to 16 which is roughly where it was at the start of the century. 

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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 4:26:58 PM   
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I don't give a shit what color his hair is, all I care about right now is what color the Dow average is displayed in at the top of my MSNBC homepage - and it's been red almost every damned day since he took office, largely because he is not keeping his eye on the damned ball. I hired him to fix the damned economy, and in a month and a half he has done exactly nothing to stabilize the shattered foundation of that economy, the financials sector. And every day the traders on the Street point out what they think of his inaction.


The rise and fall of the Dow average isn't an indication of the strength of the economy or of the wisdom of a particular economic plan or of the long-term viability of a particular course of action, it's an indicator of how analysts and traders feel about the possibility of turning a quick profit.  Traders are looking for the kind of high-return low-risk vehicles that were creating so much of the wealth a few years ago but they're not out there.  That's not because of anything Obama has done or hasn't done, it's because they didn't actually exist.  Returns and risk tend to track pretty closely.  That's pretty fundamental stuff, but apparently we need to relearn it.  I think that once the traders get more accustomed to dealing with risk, we'll see money move around more freely.  I don't think we gain in the long term by trying to make it safer to make risky investments now.


Can I tell you...I don't know who taught you about the drivers of stock market performance, but other than on a very short term basis..anywhere from minutes to the end of the day, traders don't make the "trend"...they play the trend up and down....as the old saying goes.."let the trend be your friend".  Traders did not take the market down 50% from it's high, 20% from the Dear Leaders coronation, "investors" who would rather get "zero" return in short-term treasuries have sold equities, and the selling accelerated as the recession took hold, earnings deteriorated, and the financial system begins to look as if it is going to implode.

The actual movement in a bull or bear market IS dependent upon those trillions of dollars of "investment monies" around the globe and how IT feels about coming events, validity of analysis, (for example, the banks are unanalysable these days) the velocity of money, which the Fed has been behind the curve, and confidence!  There little "confidence" Obama enjoys, away from his adoring public, he is losing it among his wealthy followers.  Not that they don't support his liberal ideals...but his deeds do not measure up to the velvet tones of his speeches and promises.  He pulled a "Jimmy Carter" warning about a catastrophy to the economy if his "stimulus" plan wasn't passed immediately. And than took four days to sign it into law in a PR photo op. 
Obama, Pelosi and Reid took advantage of crisis, of the fear of Americans, their concerns about their jobs, their savings and the future of their families, to push through the largest spending bill in the history of the country withhout proper due diligence.  And these guys have the cahones to be performing "stress tests' on the banks...Americans should be demanding a "stress test" on this dysfunction...no..not disfunctional....they do have a plan...and it's Big Government involvment in all of our lives which equals big POWER for the government.  We may have already lost our republic...and  now our democratic process is being tested.

This is what is worrisom to the markets around the globe...and why people continue to jump into gold.  The only people who think this radical leftist can help them are those people who have  nothing to lose, and just sit their like those poor souls in New Orleans waiting for the government to tell them what to do and where to go.

By the way, I think next weeks confernce on possibly doing away with "mark to market", if passed, will send the market soaring....at least for awhile.

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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 4:36:06 PM   
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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 5:16:24 PM   
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One person's pork is another person's job.

The stimulus plan is full of construction projects. People who build roads, bridges, high speed railroads and public buildings work for construction firms that are struggling with few new houses being built. New high tech businesses will form and employ skilled workers to build windmills and solar panels. Those people and businesses spend money throughout the rest of the economy and that helps saves jobs in local communities.

81% of Haliburton is held by the public? No surprise. Doesn't change the fact that the previous administration gave them preferential treatment that went into the pockets of top executives and a certain former CEO. I sure hope if anyone was holding stock in Haliburton they sold last summer when it was at 52 rather than now where it is back to 16 which is roughly where it was at the start of the century. 


It sounds as if you have "evidence" of corruption and abuse of power here.  I don't expect you to share your information with us but you really should be contacting Sen. Leahey of Vermont who is just dying to get something on Bush, Cheney and Rove... otherwise I guess it's just internet babble with all sorts of accusations and no proof.
Giving no bid contracts has been going on since contracts have been signed between the DOD and vendors. When you are in a war, and you have to make a decision...common sense tells you to go to the best guy that can do the job....and Halliburton happens to be one of the best oil service companies on the globe.  It's amazing to me that democrats would "eat their young" if they could just pin something on Bush or Cheney.  I don't think I ever heard a politician in the U.K., France or Germany ever beat up on one of their companies in public the way democrats beat up American business.

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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 5:24:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		So that top notch oil products company wasn't the appropriate company to be paid $80 per meal to feed our troops in Iraq. Now the DoD, under GWB, found that there was billions in fraud in that contract but didn't force Haliburton to refund all that money. Of course the fact that our troops, that you neo-cons claim to revere, were fed spoiled food by underpaid bangladeshies, for $80 a plate remember, seems to be just fine with you guys. It's not with me.

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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 5:49:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I personally think Obama is doing to much in the wrong direction.

It seems to me most of the action thus far economically has been directed at supporting the banks, financials, and getting more government jobs going. I don't agree that is a healthy viewpoint.

If I were Obama, and had the mindset that I could "Jump Start" the economy. I would instead of increasing unemployment benefits, giving huge sums to banks, and increasing the size of government, I'd invest heavily in Small business with a heavy preference on non-service oriented jobs. As in take two trillion dollars of government money (taxpayer money), contract the banks to handle the applications, though they would not actually have the  2 trillion + dollars, they'd just handle the process, and set up a credit fund for small to medium sized  wholly US owned based businesses. The interest rates would be 2 percent APR.
Seeing the premise is that we have no manufacturing base, it would reason if one wanted to create a new manufacturing base, you'd do that bottom up not by dumping billions at GM, which is going to fail, without giving them 100's of billions more.

I do agree though that building out high speed internet would be a good thing, but that could and would be addressed by business as well, we have a small internet company in salem, IL, that wants to expand right now, they are a 100% fiber, and it's good shit, I had it for about a year, but they need financing to expand the fiber to nearby towns. Anyway, point is you don't have to have the government build out internet necessarily, there are companies that want to build it out, but are hamstrung.

A National High speed rail line would be nice, but I'm not sure, as I've not seen the numbers on the current track utilization. Personally I have always wondered why rail travel was so anemic in this country, and expensive. I've actually looked at Amtrack prices, and they were not that attractive, but I don't understand why that is the situation, since rail travel costs a pittance in fuel/ pound transported.

My primary objection to what Obama is doing, is the focus. I'd have much less of a problem with the man, at this point if the vast majority of the money were going to create productive enterprises that would employ people long term, instead of flushing money at the problem makers. The problem makers being many banks, Financials, huge manufacturing relics, that just don't work anymore, while promising a pittance to those businesses that actually do pay taxes, are sustainable, and could grow, especially with access to cheap cash. I mean seriously, so far it appears he is attacking the symptoms, and very little is directed at the problem.

I don't want another housing bubble, personally. I don't want to sacrifice so AIG doesn't default on its insurance. And personally a Collapse of those EVIL companies would be a good thing, IMO, they hold to much power. Sure, it would suck for a couple of years, but nothing is to stop the government from replacing the credit in the short term, by giving loans to healthy businesses even if the big banks died. As in if 10 trillion in "fake" value disappeared from the financial industry, that means 10 trillion could be created without inducing an inflationary effect elsewhere, via government loan programs for production oriented US businesses.

I just ultimately think Obama is working to save the "bad guys" more than he has worked to help the good guys, (US based real productive activities).



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RE: Who else feels President Obama is trying to do WAY ... - 3/7/2009 5:53:15 PM   
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So that top notch oil products company wasn't the appropriate company to be paid $80 per meal to feed our troops in Iraq. Now the DoD, under GWB, found that there was billions in fraud in that contract but didn't force Haliburton to refund all that money. Of course the fact that our troops, that you neo-cons claim to revere, were fed spoiled food by underpaid bangladeshies, for $80 a plate remember, seems to be just fine with you guys. It's not with me.


This thread is going down hill fast.  I don't really think any of us are better for reading some of the  comments published here.  The troops got some spoiled food..shit happens..and I don't know of a single report of a major problem and people dying...and you better believe the Fuhrer Keith Olbermann would have been all over this story...if there was a story.  We have more people who hve died from tainted "peanut butter" in this country than any silly internet conspiracy theory about Halliburton and bad food. Give it a break dude....your "irrational exuberance' over leftist politics is clouding your rational thought processes.  It's 2009...Obama is President...and we are on our way towards a depression...you do understand that.. I hope. 

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