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Daddysredhead -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/9/2009 8:50:45 PM)
Amen, bear. You are so right.

Termyn8or -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/9/2009 10:38:02 PM)
FR To noone in particular, this is one of those times when I am glad I started reading the thread before clicking. My Father is obese, and seventy years old. Because of it he has problems that I won't list here but his equilibrium seems to be permanently off, and he has troble getting his coat on and off, mainly because of being overweight. I have never been quite obese but I have been overweight and I know how much easier it is to gain than to lose. The olman can't keep his lungs clear because of it, and he has trouble just navigating around the house because of it. I have tried to help and encourage hinm to lose the weight over the last decade, and though he lost some, he is still too tubby to be comfy. He can't sleep on his back, he can't sleep on his front. He gets winded from a twenty foot walk. He is going to die soon, and I mean months if we're lucky. I don't need no city boy doctors to see that this excess weight has cost him dearly not only in lifespan but in quality of life in his waning years. Waning years that would have been forestalled if he had shed the weight. It is easier said than done. I'll sit there and say that if I looked like that I would not eat for a month, but I now know that even that does not work. Why ? Who knows. I lost a bunch of weight, but it took a back problem and illness to do it. All I can figure is that my metabolism was being "kept up" with fighting the physical problems and the fact that I had no appetitite. Now that I am in better shape I can feel it coming on and I dread it, but not eating does not work. I shut down, sort of hibernate. Hopefully that will change with the warmer weather coming. But I can feel it, I don't even own a scale, I don't need one. So he is dying, and so am I, I guess. So I have nothing to say about this, except one thing. If you are overweight do every fucking thing you can to lose it before you get old, because then it is too late. T

LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/9/2009 10:55:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD SteelofUtah: I'd suggest you view it as a lifestyle change and not a diet. Start off slow. Make some manageable changes. For instance, soft drinks. Can you eliminate those altogether? If not, try eliminating it from one part of your life - for instance, have water with dinner instead of a soft drink. Or instead of having a Big Gulp, downsize. Instead of having two bags of chips a day, have one. Once you start getting used to downsizing the bad stuff, I would suggest replacing it with some good stuff. If you're miserable going the deprivation route, it's never going to work. I firmly believe it's about making changes, but doing it slowly so you don't feel like you are denying yourself. And if you slip up, don't beat yourself up about it (no pun intended) because it's going to happen. As for eating good stuff, it's amazing what is touted as good that isn't. I have a lot of suggestions. Please contact me, if you'd like! One suggestion that may or may not work for you is to make dietary changes without announcing it (except possibly to your significant other). I didn't want to hear the "how is the diet going?" or "how is the eating?" or the "are you supposed to be eating that?" because I saw it as a set-up to failure. No one has to know you're making lifestyle changes, except the people you live with. No one said anything to me until it was obvious I'd lost weight and by then I was already firmly entrenched in what I was doing. It isn't going to be easy, but it can be done. I read this advice that was directed at Steel & the hackles on the back of my neck went up. Unless you have first-hand knowledge that this is his diet--several soft drinks, Big Gulps & 2 bags of chips a day--I'd have to say that you are making a very large assumption. I am morbidly obese & I don't drink any soft drinks, nor do I eat chips. I eat whole grains rather than white flour. I eat fresh, organic produce when I can. I eat no products with High fructose corn syrup, but look for those sweetened with agave, fruit juice or organic sugar or completely unsweetened, as I often prefer. I have quite a healthy diet & yet I am still morbidly obese. Mine started when I took a medication that "might cause a little weight gain" & I gained 100 lbs in 10 weeks without increasing my caloric intake. I have never successfully kept any weightloss for any period of time since, no matter what I have tried. So I will continue to eschew the things that I know are bad for me & eat what I know is good for me so that I can continue to be as healthy and as active as possible at my weight. I currently have wonderful lab test results & low blood pressure. The only reason I would like to lose weight is that I know it's easier on my lower joints. I also enjoy feeling strong & mobile.

AquaticSub -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/9/2009 11:00:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beargonewild That is just like telling a bulimic person not to purge their stomachs and you will be fine, you have to find why they are bulimic and treat the cause. Exactly. Well put.

WyldHrt -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/9/2009 11:00:37 PM)
[sm=goodpost.gif] smooch I lubs you, Linea [:)]

persephonee -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 5:37:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah Yes he is Unhealthy and Yes he is Fat but he is still a Human Being and should not be treated like he is somehow sub-human because of his weight. I'm inclined to agree with this, especially after a conversation with a few of my girl friends today. We were talking about about body image issues and how hateful people can be with respect to people who are a little overweight, not to mention morbidly obese. If this were to happen to your child, you would be devestated as a parent. There's really no difference, these people are still someone's kids. Thank you, red. There but for the grace of God goes a lot of people on this very discussion board. i havent read the rest of the responses, i just wanted to respond to this one comment. There are other eating disorders out there that dont get this kind of shit from people...how bout the beautiful girl who has a closet full of pickle jars filled with vomit ?? i dont see the point of this thread other than to be ugly to someone who is sick. i understand that people do things to themselves...im certain that some of the men on this thread being so disgustingly cruel are just covered with nubile slaves slobbering all over their bodies as they type out their little jokes.... i'm outta here

persephonee -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 5:46:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VirginPotty Steel, That's a great post but as a 1st responder I'm going to have to disagree with accepting people's sizes. I've seen a few men/women have to leave the service on disability because of hurting their backs trying to carry/or pick up an obese person even with extra manpower. Yes I know, use your legs but that doesn't always work. Personally, I'd get a bit pissed off if I have to call for extra hands because the person is too heavy for my crew & me to manage. That's putting another unit out of service because someone can't manage their weight. I remember one guy who was 500 lbs and there were several units onscene trying to get him downstairs. I had to remove the cot & place him on the floor of the ambulance lying on tarp. Afterwards we were all debriefing after the call & ironically all of us were thinking the same thing on scene....."If this guy codes here he's dead cause there's no way we can load & go". There's a special WIDE unit in the County for anyone too big in the ambulance so there's extra cost for the unit & the staffing, all because someone couldn't manage their weight. I know some weight issues are medical issues and beyond patient's control but truth be told the majority of these issues are because the person couldn't control their food intake. The "monkey on your back" may serve a short term purpose but you have to think about the long term affects but you're right in saying I don't know what's going on in your head so I'm probably just speaking out the side of my neck at this time. I do know this, you overcame an almost impossible addiction to overcome & you're a better man because of that. I just KNOW you can beat the food cravings. Just my [sm=2cents.gif] Speaking as a nurse in long term care, i have heard some pretty disgusting things out of some first responders mouths about what a waste of time and resources it is that they have to take time out of their day to drag some old person off to the hospital instead of letting them die where they lay... Personally, i would rather code than have the last words i hear some sort of crap like that out of the people who are supposed to be "rescuing" me. Just MY two cents....too pissed to look for the frickin emoticon. persephonee/aka...fatass.

Daddysredhead -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 5:52:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt [sm=goodpost.gif] smooch I lubs you, Linea [:)] So do I, Linea. You totally rock. hugs

purepleasure -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 6:15:22 AM)
Isn't it ironic that sometimes the biggest wastes of space are the ones that take up the least amount of it?

Daddysredhead -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 6:25:52 AM)
Pure... truer words may never have been spoken. (may I remind you, that I adore you?) [:)]

Luvtoplayhard -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 6:27:17 AM)
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purepleasure -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 6:28:36 AM)
yes Red, you may remind me! and the adoration is reciprocated ten-fold!

Daddysredhead -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 6:42:00 AM)
hugs [:)]

angelikaJ -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 7:05:45 AM)
FR to no one in particular. There are so many factors involved in obesity. I have a friend who does not eat junk and has great willpower concerning food and she is still morbidly obese, despite spending time excersizing nearly everyday. She is probably healthier than I am even though she weighs almost 50% more than I do. In some people who are overweight their brains do not send the message of saity to their stomachs... imagine always feeling physically hungry... they are learning more about the chemistry and neuro-chemistry involved in obesity. It is easy to judge others... but unless you have walked in someone else's shoes you can't know what they are going through.

sirsholly -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 8:19:37 AM)
FR one point i would like to make is that morbid obesity causes repercussions that we generally do not think of. Yes...it is difficult to get a morbidly obese person to the hospital in a crisis situation, but i am reminded of another situation when i was right out of nursing school. A morbidly obese man in his 40's was diagnosed with prostate cancer, severe enough to warrant it's removal. No matter how they tried, the surgeons were unable to reach the gland secondary to this mans huge size. They simply couldn't do it. Their plan changed to a gastric bypass (the lap band was not done at that time) with the hopes the weight loss would allow them access to the prostate. I don't recall too many of the details, other than listening to him voice his fears about what would occur first, the weight loss or progression of the cancer. He had every right to be scared.

SteelofUtah -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 8:41:24 AM)
Some of the advice being given is hillarious! First off, lets explain that weight and obesity do not always have to do with diet, often that is how it starts but then other factors get involved. Like Type II Diabetes and Metaformin which make losing weight very difficult for some people. Being a diabetic I am now a carb watching freak and have done much to change the way I eat, the problem that I have is feeling satisfied which is when over eating or comfort foods come into play. Those who see Soda, Chips, Cookies, and Other Crap as the Problem are missing quite a lot about the emotional and physical behaviors of an Obese person. I don't like sweets. I can go a Year without a Candy Bar or a slice of cake, for me I liked a Steak and Potatoe and for dessert ANOTHER Steak and Potatoe. Now with the Type II I have had to put away much of that practice and eat carrots and high fiber foods just to keep from feeling hungry. Certain foods Trigger High BGL so I can't eat them anymore. Things that are normally Okay for diabetics to eat I cannot. My Diabetes was brought on by weight and now that I have it losing the weight is a very slow process. Just the nature of my body and how diabetes has affected me. This is the Point, most people see weight as an issue of hand to mouth and that is not always the case, to assume that that is all it is about just shows a lack of really understanding many weight issues. I started making comments because this guy who we should all be celebrating because he found love was treated like a monster because of his weight issue which he is trying to fix I mean talk about kicking a horse for what turns out to be no reason at all, I mean the guy IS trying to do something about it but apparently that isn't enough for some people. Steel

beargonewild -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 8:55:16 AM)
I agree Steel, yet it also has to be taken into consideration that not all obese people's issues with excessive weight is a result of other health issues. There are a large portion of that population who are overweight and/or obese are coping with underlying psychological issues and it manifests itself as binge eating in comfort foods which happen to be high calorie and high fat foods. Thus that was the gist of my post to Potty. I wasn't trying to discount your weight issues nor mine. I simply wanted to point out that there are too many factors surrounding why a person is obese/overweight. One does not have a greater importance over the other.

DeviantlyD -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/10/2009 7:35:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD SteelofUtah: I'd suggest you view it as a lifestyle change and not a diet. Start off slow. Make some manageable changes. For instance, soft drinks. Can you eliminate those altogether? If not, try eliminating it from one part of your life - for instance, have water with dinner instead of a soft drink. Or instead of having a Big Gulp, downsize. Instead of having two bags of chips a day, have one. Once you start getting used to downsizing the bad stuff, I would suggest replacing it with some good stuff. If you're miserable going the deprivation route, it's never going to work. I firmly believe it's about making changes, but doing it slowly so you don't feel like you are denying yourself. And if you slip up, don't beat yourself up about it (no pun intended) because it's going to happen. As for eating good stuff, it's amazing what is touted as good that isn't. I have a lot of suggestions. Please contact me, if you'd like! One suggestion that may or may not work for you is to make dietary changes without announcing it (except possibly to your significant other). I didn't want to hear the "how is the diet going?" or "how is the eating?" or the "are you supposed to be eating that?" because I saw it as a set-up to failure. No one has to know you're making lifestyle changes, except the people you live with. No one said anything to me until it was obvious I'd lost weight and by then I was already firmly entrenched in what I was doing. It isn't going to be easy, but it can be done. I read this advice that was directed at Steel & the hackles on the back of my neck went up. Unless you have first-hand knowledge that this is his diet--several soft drinks, Big Gulps & 2 bags of chips a day--I'd have to say that you are making a very large assumption. I am morbidly obese & I don't drink any soft drinks, nor do I eat chips. I eat whole grains rather than white flour. I eat fresh, organic produce when I can. I eat no products with High fructose corn syrup, but look for those sweetened with agave, fruit juice or organic sugar or completely unsweetened, as I often prefer. I have quite a healthy diet & yet I am still morbidly obese. Mine started when I took a medication that "might cause a little weight gain" & I gained 100 lbs in 10 weeks without increasing my caloric intake. I have never successfully kept any weightloss for any period of time since, no matter what I have tried. So I will continue to eschew the things that I know are bad for me & eat what I know is good for me so that I can continue to be as healthy and as active as possible at my weight. I currently have wonderful lab test results & low blood pressure. The only reason I would like to lose weight is that I know it's easier on my lower joints. I also enjoy feeling strong & mobile. You're right I don't know what he consumes. I failed to say "for example if", which I should have.

LisaCarter -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/11/2009 5:46:16 AM)
I've noticed that American's use word "addiction" to explain no self-control. Very lazy country.

GreedyTop -> RE: Forums to lose a regular? (3/11/2009 5:48:18 AM)
Charming, arent you. Bless your heart.

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