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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Ah but the difference here is, the dog has no choice just as a child born to bad parents has no choice. As consenting adults we do have a choice and therefore I could call Dominance/submission no more a gift than being able to work for the company who employs me. I chose to work for them, they chose to employ me. I chose to work hard and dedicate myself to them and they chose to pay me a decent salary. They can choose to make me redundant and I can choose to leave of my own accord.
I know emotions play a big part in this. I for example don't want to dominate someone I am not dominantly attracted to (perhaps thats selfish but then life is a selfish act) and I certainly would never submit to someone who I wasn't physically attracted to and worse still, I would never submit or try to dominate someone who clearly was not attracted to me. I will only give myself to him if he is willing to give himself to me (mutual exchange on an emotional level).
So my feelings on this are... it is a giving and its a taking of many things on many levels.

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

I do not believe it is a gift but rather a piece of my personality, just as being submissive is a piece of my partners personality. We give them freely to each other and are interwoven to form our relationship dynamic. Another good thing about it not being a gift is that you do not have to stand in a department store line to return them.

~Lashra

Lashra,

Well you have a good and valid point re the return line, but consider another viewpoint. I f your a solid and effective domme that thats her responsibilities seriously and your finally choose a  " s"  that fits for you why is it not a giving of your care to that " s" ?

CP

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

~Fast Reply~

I take a somewhat unpopular view on the idea of gifts - they don't have to come in boxes and they don't have to be tangible as I think of several things off-hand that can be given but don't apply. Such as houses and wedding services (since mine is on the brain).

I believe that many things are gifts. His presence in my life and therefore his domination, his love and everything else is a precious gift. The love of my friends is a beautiful gift and I hope that I give as much to others as they do to me.

Aquatic,

But why do you consider that to be unpopular?

C P

If you get bored, search some previous threads on gifts. There have a lot people saying very loudly that the only things that count as gifts come in boxes with pretty bows and that can't be taken away. I don't agree with that because a puppy, for example, can be given to someone. But if they don't take care of it, the dog will be removed from their care.

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ORIGINAL: catize

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catize,

then can it be said that your submission is a gift/?

CP  

Well, both R. and S. are appreciative of my capacity to submit!  Is submitting with flair an oxymoron???

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I think where people get twisted is in the thinking that the role is a gift.  I don't particularly see it that way.  However, the person in the role can be seen that way.

I know My life is richer for the people in it.  That goes for My husband, My sub, and a very particular little person who stands about three feet tall.  If she wasn't a "gift" in My life, I can't imagine who possibly could be.

Sure, we can all argue about whether gifts are just given or whether they have strings attached.  It kind of reminds Me of the debate of whether or not there is such a thing as a selfless good deed. 

L P

but but, is offering dominance over an "s"  a gift or not?

C P

I'd think you'd have to ask clip about that.  <grin>

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ORIGINAL: heartcream



Wampum is made out of quahog clam shells and seahorses are wee miracles arent they?

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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Mist,

Well that it is of course, but when given can it be looked on as a gift/

Maybe in your corner of the world CP, but not in mine.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

To call it a gift would be like saying.......your mother mothering you was a gift to you.

It could be applied to any relationship. But being dominant, in and of itself, is nothing special. How we handle ourselves within that dominance is the key.

Just like the mother thing.......there are great mothers, so-so mothers, crappy mothers, and downright scary mothers. They are still mothers and still mothered, in their own way, their children. My own was better than many, but I wouldn't wish her on anyone I cared about. Being a mother didn't make her a wonderful person. Therefor her mothering wasn't a gift at all.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
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Yawn****  I took a big dump today...It was a gift to my colon that it was released.  I had breakfast after my dump.  It was a gift that the diner had eggs and they prepared them for me.  The toast was kind of burned, not the best gift I have ever recieved...After that I went to work. It was truly a gift that my employer did not fire me today.

Christ! Get a grip.  Got to your Ren faires. Dress up like vampires.  Try to brainwash the weak that you are offering up something special that no one else possesses. 

You are attracted to someone, maybe it is the way they look or how they appear menacing in their black leather? Or that they look compelling dressed up like a dragon? Or all evil and mysterious as they don 16th century attire?  Oh my God! Are you a  real vampire?Or maybe they are nice and sweet or maybe they have tight pants and big tits?

So now you approach them and they start yacking on about their gifts...What gifts?  What do you have that makes you so special? 

Is a child a gift? Lots of'em seem to be dying on a regular basis. Is love the gift? Break ups and divorces seem to be continually churned out like goose shit.

What we seek for the long run is compatability.  We want someone that excites, stimulates and betters us. 

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Yawn****  I took a big dump today...It was a gift to my colon that it was released.  I had breakfast after my dump.  It was a gift that the diner had eggs and they prepared them for me.  The toast was kind of burned, not the best gift I have ever recieved...After that I went to work. It was truly a gift that my employer did not fire me today.

Christ! Get a grip.  Got to your Ren faires. Dress up like vampires.  Try to brainwash the weak that you are offering up something special that no one else possesses. 

You are attracted to someone, maybe it is the way they look or how they appear menacing in their black leather? Or that they look compelling dressed up like a dragon? Or all evil and mysterious as they don 16th century attire?  Oh my God! Are you a  real vampire?Or maybe they are nice and sweet or maybe they have tight pants and big tits?

So now you approach them and they start yacking on about their gifts...What gifts?  What do you have that makes you so special? 

Is a child a gift? Lots of'em seem to be dying on a regular basis. Is love the gift? Break ups and divorces seem to be continually churned out like goose shit.

What we seek for the long run is compatability.  We want someone that excites, stimulates and betters us. 

Your gift?  How many have received it in the past?  Judging on your past relationships you really don't have a clue as to who deserves your gift or not. You just go about willy nilly throwing around your gifts like beads at a Mardi Gras Parade. Obviously you haven't exactly placed much value on this thing judging by the way you have treated it as well in the manner that it has been so freely dispenced.

And also, now that we are on the subject,..Why do I get this re-gifted trampled on bullshit?  It appears it was better wrapped in the past and the box was a little smaller.  I want a fresh gift. Something that has not been regurgitated by countless others who at some point found that it held little value.  I want something new. Not this worn out tired shit that you pass off on the Indians.  Give me the good shit! Dammit!

I want someone that rides my wave. That doesn't talk about shit that has no meaning.  You want to talk about your gifts? Get the fuck off of my wave. Go swim with the seahorses and talk to the clams.  You are not to be taken seriously.

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

If you dont like wampum I would imagine you dont know what it is. Bit of a benign highjack...

Wampum was made by a few members of a tribe. It took ages to learn how to make it but once mastered a being could pump out about ten feet a day.

Wampum is made out of the purple and white quahog shells. The purple and white separated out and made into discoids/beads. They were then arranged and woven in geometric designs which are the archives of the Iroquois people. They did not 'write'. The documetns were called Story Belts although they were not worn. For example one Wampum Belt called the Women's Nominating Belt, signifies the fact that the women nominated the Chiefs.

For example in the Iroquois Nation at one point there were 50 Cheifs from the tribes therein, like the Onandaga, Seneca, Mohawk etc etc.

Wampum had many other uses and was dearly beloved among it's people.

When the Europeans arrived they began trading gold coins but when they realized the Iroquois preferred wampum they began to manufacture it and then of course regulated it. Originally no steel cutting tools were used but of course the Europeans used tools and pumped the stuff out by the bucketlaods and stripped it of it's original intent.

George Washington holds a sacred Wampum Belt as some Treaty was passed between the red and and the white man and we all know how that all turned out.

As I tell my little wampum tail I am aware your hard limit is Archeaology.

A gift of clams...