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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 10:11:11 PM   
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I'm not saying that it should be a sticking/breaking point, necessarily...

But I want to be able to talk to my partner about at least SOME aspects of politics and not argue :P Of course, I also want to be able to have a good argument/debate on politics every now and then, too :D

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 10:46:44 PM   
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     That's a personal sort of choice, Aravain.  My own history has fairly consistently placed me to the political left of my partners (scary, isn't it?) and it has never really been an issue. 

     Now if I'm off perving profiles, and I see "conservative politics" as a hard limit (far more common than "liberal politics" in the same slot), that makes me question what sort of person I'm looking at.  I don't find that kind of thinking attractive.  It speaks to me of intolerance, and a closed mind.  Those characteristics ARE hard limits in my book.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 11:11:41 PM   
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Gosh cory, thanks for that. This explains why now, Newt is speaking out against Limbaugh, there's a major cover peice coming out in Newsweek this week entitled "Why Rush is Wrong!" (written by some prominent republicans) and now, according to a recent poll, the republicans in congress are now 20% against what has happened with is power grab, post CPAC.
And this is just the beginning.
Let the GOP backlash begin! (Not that it's going to help their position any. These guys have screwed their own pooch in so many ways, it's going to take years of hard work for them to regain any credibility.) The party of Rush "I want the President to fail" Limbaugh, Sarah "I can see Russia from my house" Palin, and Joe "I'm not a real plumber but I can pontificate on national issues" the Plumber... Man, how the mighty have fallen...

All I need now, to really make this complete, is to see Rove behind bars, Cheany dead from a heart attack, and seeing Palin in court to defend her drug pushing sister in law.

Now you see, we have agreed a lot but that last line is a bit much. Maybe Rove is a political buzzard, so what, he's gone. As for Cheany, a rich-getting richer oil man who'd very likely take the 5th in grand jury investigation of 9/11 and as I have said...Palin is a political bimbo.

We by now, shouldn't give a damn what Newt has to say anymore than Limbaugh. Again, Newt Gingrich is the political Paris Hilton, famous only because...he's famous and without any appeal or cleavage.

They know it now and the partisan sniping has to find its end or we are doomed to back-biting cynicism...just like Rome.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 11:13:18 PM   
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true, but the implication was that it shouldn't factor in to your finding a partner at all.

I've met (and been flamed by) plenty of conservatives who honestly thought that people who were in any way liberal (social programs, economically, any other way) were evil, servants of the devil, or just plain horrible people completely because of their politics (I once got from someone I considered a friend "you're a LIBERAL!? I didn't know that." before they blocked me on instant messenger). While I've seen similar from more liberal people in reaction to conservatives, I've seen it *less* often, and to *less* of a degree.

In either case, if it is something that is genuinely that important to someone, why should they compromise in what they're looking for? One of my relationships was between me and a boy who wanted to go into the ministry... we broke up (for hopefully obvious reasons)... my original question was aimed at the fact that... if I'd have latched on (or if he'd have stayed latched to me) he would have been compromising his beliefs (not only would he be having gay sex, something that he honestly could make 'ok' for himself, but he would be dating someone whose eternal soul he saw as going to hell, no matter what he did...) and it would cause him distress.

For any beliefs that are *that* important to someone, why should they not look for people who won't cause them distress? Why should they look or accept people that would have to be 'fixed' or that they'd have to settle for something that was that important?

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 11:24:00 PM   
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true, but the implication was that it shouldn't factor in to your finding a partner at all.

I've met (and been flamed by) plenty of conservatives who honestly thought that people who were in any way liberal (social programs, economically, any other way) were evil, servants of the devil, or just plain horrible people completely because of their politics (I once got from someone I considered a friend "you're a LIBERAL!? I didn't know that." before they blocked me on instant messenger). While I've seen similar from more liberal people in reaction to conservatives, I've seen it *less* often, and to *less* of a degree.

In either case, if it is something that is genuinely that important to someone, why should they compromise in what they're looking for? One of my relationships was between me and a boy who wanted to go into the ministry... we broke up (for hopefully obvious reasons)... my original question was aimed at the fact that... if I'd have latched on (or if he'd have stayed latched to me) he would have been compromising his beliefs (not only would he be having gay sex, something that he honestly could make 'ok' for himself, but he would be dating someone whose eternal soul he saw as going to hell, no matter what he did...) and it would cause him distress.

For any beliefs that are *that* important to someone, why should they not look for people who won't cause them distress? Why should they look or accept people that would have to be 'fixed' or that they'd have to settle for something that was that important?

In relationships we are talking something different altogether. Relationships are emotional by there very nature and the passion in one's political and religious beliefs can and often is reflected in their emotions. They naturally bring those emotions to a relationship. Meeting someone with such opposing passions can render any relationship incompatible...as any, say beyond a respectful friendship.

So this plays upon what our endeavor here dictates...it's all in how a person makes you feel when with them. If it is good, then enjoy the pleasures.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/10/2009 11:46:09 PM   
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Preaching to the choir  As long as we can agree on one point, politically, nothing involving politics is a deal breaker (and I haven't met someone that I can't agree with on SOMETHING) for me, and that's only because I enjoy chatting about it... I especially enjoy talking to people who disagree with me in person, too :D

I'm just saying that to people it IS important to shouldn't necessarily be discounted as completely closeminded until you get to know them... it's quite possible that they know enough about themselves (through experience or self-reflection) that they know that it's important to them *shrug*

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 12:21:06 AM   
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You know some of us actually have a ,,,, ummm, you know a life and do things besides sitting around all day watching cable pundit/cranks and copy/pasting/linking this boring garbage. Seriously, the odd discussion about Left versus right, good and evil (in that order, lol) is fun but really dude, turn off the porn machine, go outside and rejoin humanity. Keep in mind, the morons you endlessly quote, get PAID to do that. Do you?

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You can see the frustration turning to concern that Chris Matthews, Keith Ubarmann and Rachael Maddow are feeling in the growing disappointment in Obama as his ratings start to reflect the end of the normal "honeymoon" Americans give a new leader. In actuality, Obama's rating  actually trail George Bush at this stage of their administrations, and are well behind Jimmy Carter, undoubtedly the worst President of the 20th century!

Within less than two months time, the inexperience that was swept under the carpet by an adoring media of just a year ago like ABC's "Nightline" David Wright memorable commentary following on of Barack's rock and roll primary rallies.. "Politics doesn't even begin to describe it. A visit to an Obama rally is a pilgrimage." , and advised viewers to think of the events as "Springsteen concerts, but the tickets are free." Obviously, he left out the fact that these rallies WERE often generated by warm up acts of R&R bands who brought out the poitically blind, politically naieve, primed for their messianic quest for a person they could believe in by years of an brainwashing education in liberal philosophy. You just can't pay enough for this type of political propaganda. Coupled with the Lehman bankruptcy, the nationalization of AIG, and the deterioration in the economy and stock markets, by October the race was essentially over.

And so here we are today..with a Leader who's resume' for the job is blank.  A leader whose "new ideas for change" are just the same old failed politics of the extreme liberal wing of the democrat party. It is a disgrace to see the party of JFK racing to the extreme left and he must be turning over in his grave. There is growing concern about his "RUSH" to spend hundreds of billions of dollars, even among leading members of his own party...and the boys from Chicago had to set up a "distraction" a diversion...you know, like during prohibition when they would send out three trucks but only one had the booze.  And so...lets jump on "Rush"...lets build on the story of a republican party imploding..ANYTHING to get our failures below the fold for discussion. And the boys and "girl" and MSNBC loved it!  AndHours and hours of TV time devoted to "Limbaugh".  How many times do I have to look at Ariana Huffington? At least Laura Ingraham has an attractive personality. And people wonder why Air America was a failure..adults can only take just so much drama...after awhile you tune into a TV commentary for information!

Why the Rush Limbaugh "distraction" from the issues of the day?
What we have today is an administration that wasted one of the best transitions in decades with George Bush virtually turning over the keys to every Executive office the day after the election.  In the midst of a national fianancial crisis his Secretary of the Treasury begins withhout the trace of a plan and bombed in his first public hearing.  The man was essentially in the job since election day, as President of the New York Federal Reserve was totally immersed in the financial mess we are in, and after flopping in his first appearance the media excuse was that the man was in the job for "only two weeks"! 
Certainly that was not how Barack introduced Mr. Geithner in November.." Tim Geithner offers not just extensive experience shaping economic policy and managing financial markets - but an unparalleled understanding of our current economic crisis, in all of its depth, complexity and urgency. Tim will waste no time getting up to speed. He will start his first day on the job with a unique insight into the failures of today's markets - and a clear vision of the steps we must take to revive them."  Gimme a break...the man, like his boss, is over his head, although the President does seemingly know more about filling out his tax forms than his new head of the IRS.

Why do they set up Rush Limbaugh as a demon and saturate the airwavs with liberal pundits spending hours on Rush..instead of Obama's seaming "No Rush" strategy to do the right thing?
 
And so we have legislation "RUSHed"through a Congress not given an opportunity to read the final Bill out of conference, "RUSHed" to the Presidends desk for signature since passage into law was an emergency and had to be "RUSHed" to save the country but...alas...the President was on a Valentine Day date with Michelle, and Rohm and the boys had set up such a great "photo op".  No question this group know how to run a campaign.  If only they could run a government out of this mess instead of into the ground!

The Obama adminsitration is now on a course "RUSHing" into a National Healthcare scheme that will destroy a system that is providing outstanding care, with leading edge therapy, and servicing over 300,000,000 citizens and why, because 45,000,000 are not or 15% of the population is uninsured!  Why the RUSH towards Big Government healthcare?  Silly me, of course, because we are in a RUSH towards Big Daddy, Big Government!  To put it in perspective, the U.S. Census report of 2005, obviously still current, indicated.."The historical record is marked by a 12-year period from 1987 to 1998 when the uninsured rate (12.9 percent in 1987) either increased or was not statistically different from one year to the next (Figure 7).2 After peaking at 16.3 percent in 1998, the rate fell for two years in a row to 14.2 percent in 2000. The rate then increased until 2003-2004, where it remained at 15.6 percent, before it increased to 15.9 percent in 2005."

The "Peter Principal on steroids" would probably be the best description of this administration and their programs for the country will bring us to ruin.  It is these policies that Rush Limbaugh stated he hoped would fail...and so do I.  It is no more a desire for the country to fail than liberals who waned Bush to fail.   But again...the Chicago mob has people tuned into an Obama v Limbaugh self-generated discussion....and no one is examining legislation that is changing our lives forever.    What an indictment of our educational system.

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                  http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/hlthins/hlthin05/hlth05asc.html


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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 12:38:02 AM   
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Was that really necessary?

Also, was it really necessary to quote the entire post? o.O

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 3:32:52 AM   
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On a trip to the US of A in another century, I caught my dearly beloved comic, Rush ("Hit 'em up, knock 'em up, slam dunk 'em, Rush "Ditto Head," motor mouth), as in get high (now there's a rush), on the car radio in Rush Hour traffic, which meant bumper to bumper at close to 3 mpy (y => year) congestion.  Perhaps I was getting stoned on the noxious fomes from the neary capable of 300 kpm Lamborghini racing against my rental car inch by inch, wishing for the days when I would run my Fiat 850 Spyder close to its top speed of 77mph in the draft of a Peterbilt semi on the Santa Anna Freeway, cautiously sliding under the Freuhof Trailor to appear in the left lane out of sight of his wide mounted West Coast rearviews.

Over the years, I became reminded of the boy who cried "Wolf!" just for fun to watch the villigers rally round the sheep, only to discover when the Wolf was really there, no one came.  Well Rush, take it from me, no one, not even you, can be wrong 100% of the time! 

I am proud to be born in the US of A!  I thought the great difference between the PR person of JFK, and the PR person of the Yorba Lina kid was that JFK, a womanizer of great ilk, suffering from Parkinsonianism, wearing an iron brace to control his shaking, managed to create a myth of cult around himself in his own time.  Knowing he was a superficial dolt who served to further his bootlegging Papa's pro-NAZI ideals by becoming the Vatican's candidate for Pres, he gathered the brightest, elitest minds in the country, to run his presidency, while he convieniently fled the jurisdiction so that the myth could live forever.  Richie on the other hand was a genius.  I was proud when the political pro's in my home state, (Also the home of Papa George's Vice What's his name) had billboards saying Nix the Commie, and get the US out of the UN and Nix out of the White House. Hoist by his omn petard, paranoia (coming from California - it was probably quadrinoia) Richie surrounded himself with a bunch of plumbers who were so dumb they turned a black bag job into a lead pipe cinch, and tried to stop the Watergate with sticky tape, which not only gummed up the works, but which did not amount to the bravado of Stonewall Jackson, or even "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"  As tricky Dick soon discovered, trying to backwater your canoe when the surf is up is a quick way to end up s...'s creek without a paddle. 

Not dead yet, the Greek (beware Greek's bearing gifts, a lesson Jackie O learned the hard way, having, despite her Vassar John Normanish education-preparation to be bought at auction by a warrior Prince, forgotten her Homer, being deluded into thinking it was a sport term like "first down" or "going all the way" although the latter refers to many sports including tonsil hockey,) got tossed to let an ex-football palayer whose position was described by, Lyndon be good, as one where you can go either way, and/or drop the ball and no one cares, take the job.  A car of the people, the Reps having learned from the Deps, found the perfect PR vehicle to carry their banner, and so after many humble endings, famous for riding off into the sunset with the end written on his back, replaced the baptist lay preacher gowing goober peas because he sinned the unforgiveable sins of a pro pol, he was honest, genuine, principled, and last once again but probably worst, honest.  The chump thought that poor folk deserved more home and shelter than a piece of concrete for a bed and a slab of cardboard for insulation.  Had he never heard "Adversity makes the best handmaiden!" Prolloy not, I just made it up. 

In another century I drove a 5 liter Turbocharhed Mustang on the high speed roads on the world.  The car like Jimmie was a dud.  Although at 60 mph the tach showed 1800 rpm in fourth, at 4500 rpm, it only it only showed 85 mph on the Jimmie spedo.  And the original French tires threw tread at 85 mph.  So much for PR.  Remember the ticket of the last great Irish hope:  "You drink, I'll drive."

As a newspaper reporter, I once did an interview on a pol who had one been a high school social studies teacher.  "In a democracy, the voters elect the candidate they deserve!" he pontificated.  I thought about that as he went to jail. 

After the reps tried to crucify slick Willie and silly Hilly, he for gettng a blow job, she for not, they foisted upon an unreelenting public a born again christian who got direct intelligence by falling on his knees and asking devine guidance. Having told Papa to "go to Bed" he got reelected on the theory "never change microbes in the middle of a horse," thus giving the Amis a ride for their money as the alphabet soup clandestines took over the business of running the world.

It is a pretty good business, remember Panama, Libya, Iraq, Osama, (the man without a country like the leaders of the other three creatons of the folks who say, "We have got to deal with the OBL.  Dide you ever visit any of the clandestine US prisions all over the world where we from the land of the fee and the home of the rave show would be doms how to really torture, maim, and where we demonstrate the real meaning between the haves and the have nots.  Real men eat spinach, have ugly skinny girl friends, and don't drive submarines.

Obama is doing a great job of cleaning house.  His cabinet post hopefuls are falling like kingpins, showing joe shit the ragman in what really bad shape our country is in.  When the banker (the same guy who tied Miss Molly to the train tracks in hopes of having Mama who could not pay the rent order her daughter give up that which she had long since given away) is held in high regard (Remember J.C. threw the money lenders out of the temple (for you gentiles, a place of worship)not a place for getting so drunk you drive your car through your best friends car, killing the driver, and not remembering a thing.) your heart may be right, but you have been drinking too much Goldwater.

Jumping on McCain for choosing a Hockey Mom for VP, using political reality in a country where we also vote with high powered ridles means unless we got Mc and the hockey mom simultaneously, we would be faced with Nancy as our newbie, was true political good sense.  No one shot Papa George or baby bush either.  What would have Popa Doc's flee the jurisdiction company have done if Popa Doc became Pres? 

As for Obama, I have to be honest.  Without the Great Lebanon hope for the consumers without a brief running for president and allowing little Geo with the help of his brother to steal the election from the old tobacco farmer, "You're going to die anyway, even if you live sanely and consensually.  Chain smoking four or five packs a day is not a cry for help, it is a death wish.  What are a few carcinogens among friends, anyway?" born again anti CO2ist.   

Lets face it! We have been living the "let George do it!" syndrome for over a hundred years.  If we did not vote, what do we care who is president?  If we did vote, we are stuck with the results.  Just think what slick Willy would be doing in the secluded rooms of the White House if silly Hilly were the Merkel of the US of A.  How would Alaska survive without a Hocky Mom doin' stuff?

Last caveat:  Teddy, not the driver, the other one, is clained to have said:  "Speak softly and carry a big stick!"  (I don't think JFK ever truely understood what he meant!)   Does that sound reasonable to you from someone who disembarked his "rough Riders" in Montauk and rode the 110 miles to New York City where he was greeted by the bankers for having won the war to end Pulitzer's competition with Wille Hearst whose granddaughter gets the yellow bannana for being the most prominent sub of all times, now chained to her former guard.

A willing suspension of disbelief may not be necessary for real life, though it seems that is what the nation of sheep being led by the ugly Americans seems to believe. I suspect it might be otherwise.  Naughty Ralph sucked the folk into believing #PR claims and pro pols and other bad guys.  PT Barnum one said "A fool and his money are soon parted!" because "A sucker is born every minute - and two to take him!"

Rally round the flag boys.  Keep Guantanamo alive!  Keep those clandestine torture camps open all over the world .  Please big brother, kin I have uh job at one fer young and beeutiful females. The only good Serb is a torturing serb. And if we by some mistake torture some peacenick liberal college kind to death just for the fun of it, stonewall, stonewall, stonewall.

As a clandestine who I never met, did not know, and have never spoken to once said, even paranoid personalities, have enemies.  Have 'em, hell I make 'em!

Truth hurts!  We don't feed our critics radoiactive crunches for breakfast, or poison them withe olde fashioned lead. They just have accidents.  Or brain tumors.

This way to the egress.

Overload!

Retrograde!

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 5:45:52 AM   
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I can understand that. Conservative politics are a limit for many.


    I'd say something about "so much for liberals being tolerant," but nobody believes that old wives tale anymore, anyway.


It's nothing to do with tolerance. It's to do with personal preference, just like looks, height, intelligence, and a number of other factors: you don't go and tell people they're intolerant because they prefer a certain kind of partner, do you? Typically, conservatives just don't turn me on, it's that simple :-) .

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 8:05:23 AM   
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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 8:33:16 AM   
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The Obama adminsitration is now on a course "RUSHing" into a National Healthcare scheme that will destroy a system that is providing outstanding care...............


Outstanding care at what cost?

I pay my own health insurance and have seen my premiums rise 70% in the last two years without having made any claims and having no health issues.

Primarily because insurance companies do not make their money off premiums but in using those premiums for other investments.

So now I'm paying the price for their investment losses.

Should my healthcare costs depend on how well my health insurance company does in the market?

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 8:43:51 AM   
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The Obama adminsitration is now on a course "RUSHing" into a National Healthcare scheme that will destroy a system that is providing outstanding care, with leading edge therapy, and servicing over 300,000,000 citizens and why, because 45,000,000 are not or 15% of the population is uninsured! 


If our health system is so good why do we compare poorly in life expectancy to countries that have  national healthcare systems...Look it up easy to find.

Butch

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 8:51:20 AM   
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The White House attacks Limbaugh.................


The White House attacked him?

I didn't know Michael Steele, Newt Gingrich, and Eric Cantor were White House insiders.

But hey, could be true.

Obama did promise to reach across the aisle.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 9:17:59 AM   
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I can understand that. Conservative politics are a limit for many.


  I'd say something about "so much for liberals being tolerant," but nobody believes that old wives tale anymore, anyway.


It's nothing to do with tolerance. It's to do with personal preference, just like looks, height, intelligence, and a number of other factors: you don't go and tell people they're intolerant because they prefer a certain kind of partner, do you? Typically, conservatives just don't turn me on, it's that simple :-) .


No one said liberals were 100% tolerant.Just more so than conservatives( in comparison).

That`s what gets cons tooted off.And why woman more often prefer a moderate(a liberal quality)progressive,open minded SO to partner with.

Take three issues.Any three.Gay rights,equal pay,unions,domestic violence laws,sick-leave,healthcare,etc.,etc.

Where do liberals fall and where do conservatives fall?

Nuff said.

It`s not that people shouldn`t discriminate,we all do it every day.That`s why there`s chocolate and vanilla,eggs or oatmeal,skirt or slacks and liberal or conservative.

It`s about freedom,tho I like we`re getting most of the woman.



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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 9:50:39 AM   
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It's also that with all their rantings, and foaming at the mouth histrionics, most Republicans (and libertarians, by extension) are funny, but sooo not sexy  .

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 11:37:50 AM   
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Now there is something I hadn't thought of until now........I cannot think of one sexy republican.

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RE: They can't "defend" Obama, and so they &q... - 3/11/2009 12:52:32 PM   
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The Obama adminsitration is now on a course "RUSHing" into a National Healthcare scheme that will destroy a system that is providing outstanding care...............
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Outstanding care at what cost?

I pay my own health insurance and have seen my premiums rise 70% in the last two years without having made any claims and having no health issues.

Primarily because insurance companies do not make their money off premiums but in using those premiums for other investments.

So now I'm paying the price for their investment losses.

Should my healthcare costs depend on how well my health insurance company does in the market?


I have been paying for healthcare as well...and have not seen a change in more than a few years of a more than a few percentage points.  It's only me and my wife so maybe that makes a difference.  However, a 70% increase seems unreal.  I don't know  your provider but we use United Healthcare....maybe you should give them a call.  And even though I pay..I don't want "free" healthcare..with some bureacrat making decisions on my doctor, her therapy, tests that I am allowed to take, my meds that my doctor will be allowed to script on a "cost/benefit basis, etc.


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Hmmm... my heterosexual (male) friends have this weird thing for Republican women... most of the lady democrat politicians are apparently not as 'tasty'

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What you pay for your healthcare, insurance, depends largely upon where you live. AND your health. When I was in the health insurance business, I saw first hand the horror stories.

I met people that were paying over $2,000.00 for health insurance for two people and it wasn't frilly coverage either. I also met people that had to drop their health insurance because they could no longer afford those premiums. They were unable to get coverage with another company because of their existing health issues. I met couples that got divorced so that one partner could get state aide for medical treatment so that they would not lose the family farm/business.

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My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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