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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 6:54:38 AM   
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i hate it when people make the physical collar such a big deal.  i get this alot from well meaning friends...
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."Why should you do "such and such" for Him....you're not EVEN collared!"


As if the mental, spiritual, and emotional marks of ownership are less valid than the symbolic one.




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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 6:56:52 AM   
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When I read the subject line, the first thing that came to mind was rope bondage just for doing bondage.  It isn't so much a turn off as just something I find boring.  Tie me up and beat me and I am not bored.  Tie me up and leave me there...  I just don't get anything from that.

It seems though that the thread has not gone in that direction though.

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 7:16:14 AM   
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I guess I'm pretty easy going about most things, but I seldom ever take seriously people who do the following:
  • Email me by starting with "Hello subbie"
  • Call me sweetie, when they haven't yet even met me
  • Speak to me in a condescending manner simply because they are the all powerful Dommies. 
  • Being called little-one.  I don't mind being called girl, but little-one bothers me simply because it feels like such a lie.  Unless, of course, the guy is over 6' and weighs over 250 pounds.  If they can make me FEEL little-one'ish, then what the hell - at that point they are usually above reproach anyway!


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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 2:57:34 PM   
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I've got a few thoughts on this one.  First for the OP.  I understand that it might be off putting if someone demands that you call them Ma'am or Sir.  I don't mean for this to sound condescending, but if you had been raised in the American South, it probably would feel a lot more natural.  I guess My follow up question to you would be, if you don't know someone's name, what do you call them?

When I read the title of the thread, I really thought this was more referring to a "convention" as in the type of a gathering for a common interest.  You know.  Things like the various leather fests, DomCon, and the like.  In an atmosphere like that, it wouldn't be that odd to hear things like Sir or Ma'am in general.

That leads Me to some comments on other comments.  I noticed a few folks saying that they don't like to be addressed that way.  However, if you would be in the environment that I thought the thread was about, it's most likely going to happen, especially if where you are is being billed as leather or high protocol.

If being called Master or Mistress by someone you're not in a dynamic with bothers you (which doesn't really happen all that often at conventions) just explain why it's incorrect without a qualifying name.  After all, they might just not know any better.

Speaking of which, I've never been at any 'convention' where anyone has ever walked up to Me and called Me "Pact."  If people want to shorten it, I have no problem with "LP" and I've been known to use that Myself when people don't like the honorific thing.




Lynnx, when I read your reply, I kept thinking, I know exactly who that is!  I'd be really surprised if I was wrong.




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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 3:15:47 PM   
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Your point is valid, however...playing devil's advocate here....there are some Doms who are very caring, loving, compassionate, and creative beyond feeling they are a "bag of chips and then some".....being a switch, when I am in Top, I would not say I am particularly arrogant but rather confident and yet respectful and caring......just another perspective to think about.

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 3:22:02 PM   
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The collarthing you referred to was once something I felt the same about...what is the big deal about this collar?....well...I read and read, chatted with friends about it and I took a sub to the proper store to purchase the collar. It is actually a very in depth thought if that is your cup of tea. The collar represents an extension of the already invisible connection and energy exchange you feel with your partner. Just my 2 cents worth on that thought.

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 3:30:32 PM   
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I'm not a fan of "high protocol" and formalities.  I totally understand how others are, but it's not for me.

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 3:33:47 PM   
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LadyPact, I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think they meant BDSM "conventions" as in traditional behavior or established routines within the BDSM community... Not "conventions" as in a meeting of BDSM enthusiasts...

Or am I the one who's got the wrong idea about the OP's question?


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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 3:50:58 PM   
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That "subbies" *shudders hating that term* are like errant children in need of a Dominant to keep them in check, that their natural state is one of disobedience, that only threat of punishment keeps them in line and that they are always looking for an opportunity to cheat at their task/role/diet/sex ban/chores. People with this attitude no matter how physically attractive or sexually well connected to me ... turn me right off.

... and a pet hate ... a serious bone of contention for me ... "I am the Dominant therefore I am right" ... even when evidence to the contrary is stacked higher and deeper around them. I *hate* that mindset. It is egotistical, prideful and plain childish. Being Dominant does not give you infallibility, nor does it make you all knowing. A Dominant who cannot admit to being wrong/incorrect/confused/mistaken or having made a bad judgement to their submissive isn't a Dominant, they are a Duminant.  People who say ... "You know what? You're right, I'm wrong. But we've decided I'm the Boss so fuck you we're doing it my way" ... I can respect - they are being honest, pigheaded but honest.  

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 3:59:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DrkJourney

Yeah I feel the same way but from the other end.  I really don't like people calling me ma'am or Mistress, that, to me, is reserved for those I collar.  And it really chaps me when they call me "my Mistress" and usually these are people I've never spoken to or laid eyes on in my life.

I get loads of that on here too.  They think I'm one of the fabulous "fakes" because I treat them like I would any other humanbeing that I don't know.  I treat all with respect. Until someone wears my collar they are just another person....and so many don't understand that.


I completely agree - I am Laura to all - Miss Laura is acceptable, as is MsLaura - but "Mistress," "M'Lady," etc. are reserved for those that I accept and call my own.


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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 4:02:09 PM   
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why go to a convention if you have that little respect for the lifestyle and its traditions. subs are just showing respect calling you sir, whether you deserve it or not. so why not respect the respect given to you. if you have so little regard for these things, again, why even bother going?


things that turn me off. people who dress in leather one night and think they are all that. and then carry on about lifestyle, when they are just players, talking words they overheard trying to make themselves look all that.

onething i do not understand is why would someone call you sir, or master, if you are the westbayslave?

when people talk about things they know nothing of, and speak as if they are an authority, big turn off.

some people really need to make it through first grade before they go consulting the college profs.

thats just my opinion, hope i didnt hurt too many feelings

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 4:15:58 PM   
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quote:

but are there any common BDSM conventions that turn you off?

Of course there are. There are some that disgust, enrage, confuzzle, and just downright make me want to knock some sense into the people involved.
My feelings towards the 'conventions' though mean absolutly nothing though. As the long as those involved are happy doing what they are doing...that's all that matters.

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 4:43:06 PM   
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"as charming as a loud fart at a crowded buffet table"  hahahaha.  No, really..... 

Ds that insist on my calling them "Master" when They aren't my Master.  i will only call my D "Master," and any others are "Sir."  Being called "slave" by Someone Who doesn't even know me yet, and i am certainly not Their slave.  i absolutely do believe in being respectful, but just because i am sub it doesn't mean i will submit to just any D that comes along. 
  Other than that, this is not a "convention" but just people being *ssholes.....when i get one-sentence mails that ask what sexual things i will do/demand that i do something sexual for Them/say what They are going to do sexually to me.....and They don't even know me.  i call b*llsh*t on that, write back, tell Them what i think and to not write back.....everyone is a human being and deserving of a certain level of common decency. 
  Sorry to unload  like this.  These are just pet peeves of mine and i had nowhere to  say this until now.  Thank you soooooooo much, West Bay Slave.

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 5:57:58 PM   
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dont you  love it when people think this is only about sex?

sir is sufficient. i only allow my slaves to call me master, the fulltime slaves, not the part time.

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 6:06:36 PM   
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Dear WestBaySlave, Ladies and Gentlemen;

First WestBaySlave, do you have any suggestions and or remedies to offer?

Second, it is unfortunate for BDSM at large to have a huge umbrella as far as behavior 'manners' goes, as nobody really knows how to start as a stranger, into the pre-existing realm of individuals into the scene.
With porn, BDSM movies and television skits, these things invite mishaps as there aren't any foundations on starting up a conversation as a stranger and or two a stranger, regardless of gender and or role.

I am from an age and location where children and younger adults addressed those older, as sir and or ma'am.  The problem is once in the person to person interaction, one cannot tell if they are saying it in the context of 'sir' or 'Sir' or "SIR as a title/role."

Equal problem is when one has a screen name with sub, slave, mistress, master, etc., it is difficult for those to whom get 'slapped' per se, for using a label in a screen name and or scene name.  For me, the person to whom uses that title in a label, e.g. screen name/scene name; invites these issues.  Thus, I hope that realizing the problem of novices who are just so innocently trying hard to be accepted, will be given patience and guidence--and, not being blackballed for an error.

I do agree with several individuals, to whom posted concerning those individuals to whom assume too freely, and think being a Dominant automaticly affords obedience, respect and a person's submission.   I also agree with those having posted as being addressed as an owner should be addressed, by a submissive/slave, to which they are not a familiar and or, part of the well explored relationship.  It is hard to let some of these slaves/submissives down, advising that their 'claim' of my mistress --is premature and non-consensual. 

But, what is important to me personally, and I am speaking for myself -- is the spirit of intent.

In this, I prefer to handle any false steps on a case by case basis.  If the person is a bully, a person to whom is rude, sarcastic, casting insulting humor along with these titles and or speeches of politeness/respect, e.g. sir, ma'am, etc.; the embarrassment is not mine but, the person to whom is being thoughtless and or with purpose provoking a negative response.

I am pleased to say though, that most who address me, do so out of respect and or appreciation for who I am.  Not just the title I bear and or have earned.

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 6:21:44 PM   
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LH....a class act, as usual.

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 6:27:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

LadyPact, I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think they meant BDSM "conventions" as in traditional behavior or established routines within the BDSM community... Not "conventions" as in a meeting of BDSM enthusiasts...

Or am I the one who's got the wrong idea about the OP's question?



No, you're right, but some of people's convention experiences were interesting to hear anyhow.



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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 6:39:16 PM   
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quote:

  is the spirit of intent.  


 
Waves hello to LadyHugs! 
Yes, the spirit of intent is the issue.  But I would ask:  what is the intent of someone I do not know insisting that I address them with the honorific?  (other than a high protocol venue). 
I admit to being cynical and suspicious of their motives!


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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 6:49:24 PM   
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I suppose I'm going to get in a lot of trouble here:

Things I don't respect or approve of:
People who think because they are a Dom or Domme and deserve anything because they use the title
Anyone who thinks its OK to use anyone as they want, without regard for the person involved
If you treat people as objects or a sub species
People who engage in any activity that causes permanent harm to anyone
Anyone who thinks they can demand someone treat them a certain way "because they are a ???" whatever.
People who disrespect someone, because that person is not interested in them.

We are all people involved with other people. When we forget that, we are worthless and not worthy of any type of respect. You earn respect from a person by your actions, not by a mistaken belief you "deserve it", you don't.

As a lady said, and I do respect these words and hope she does not mind if I quote them:

You are not as special as you think you are.

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RE: BDSM Conventions that turn you off... - 3/15/2009 6:50:47 PM   
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Dear catize, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Dear lady, hello and good to see you about.

In regard to your question, I do admit it is at times difficult to know a person's true intentions right off.

Gut instincts and your own personal experiences are often extremely spot on.  And, if possible if there is a no read on an individual -- watch and observe that person on how they interact with others.  And, I am sure if someone has been around an individual enough, they can freely give their personal opinions about the person in question.

In addition, I welcome a person to communicate that they have been unjustly treated and or cynical and or suspicious.  Once a trust lost, its never gained back in total.  Just as a virgin is raped--her virginity is never regained and that works so much negativities on a person that it is alone tragic.  So, you are correct and just in having your cynical nature and or be suspicious.  You have earned it through your experiences.  It is only you to offer some communication as to at least greet you with warm and sincere greetings and all the respects that you are entitled to.
The rest must be at your pace.  Just as healing must be at your pace.  Please just give me your boundaries, as to operate within them.

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs


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