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Termyn8or -> RE: Condoms in Africa, best you can do ? (3/23/2009 11:41:46 AM)
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See, I knew I could do it. One thing I can't stand is being too well liked.
I can't address all that's been said here in one fell swoop, but I will spout off somemore in hopes of making some sense to somebody.
First of all I son't care who says we have some sort of responsibility to save people on the other side of the world. Charity begins at home, but what about WHEN charity begins. Charity begins when and if you and your's are well taken care of and you can spare it. Charity also begins in your own pocket, not mine. You can show me any book with any noted author saying otherwise but it does not change the facts I have just stated.
The adoption of any other course, based on this seemingly ubiquitious save the children attitude is just plain wrong, with certain exceptions. Certainly I agree with save the children, but you save your's and I'll save mine. Oh wait, I don't have any. I have condoms. Take any financial expert and ask him, and yes get the one with the most letters after his name to do an in depth study of whether kids or condoms are cheaper. Find any environmentalist and ask him the same about the impact on the environment. You know what the answer will be. Now if you are eating clay for breakfast, what do you need more ?
Someone mentioned blood transfusions. I can't afford nor would I accept a blood transfusion. This is not for religious reasons obviously because I am not religious. I guess it could be said that I believe "in" the cycle of life, of which death is a part. Though I purport to not believe "in" anything, I guess this comes pretty close.
Quality vs quantity. I got this pound of weed for sale, actually weeds, literally weeds from my yard. If you are looking for weed for smoking, you don't want that, you would prefer the ¼ ounce for the same price. Someone said a kid born in the worst shithole in the US has more opportunity, OK fine. Now explain to me how this became my fucking problem if you could.
My gift to humanity is that you don't have to save my children, because as crazy as my life used to be I was sane enough to know better. My gift to you is to just keep your money in your pocket, and that is not only through direct charity, I don't need your property taxes for schools and such, nor crossing guards and a host of other things.
It seems perhaps that as my eyesight fades my mindsight gains acuity. I can see so very clearly and plainly that there are too many people on this planet. There is only one cause for that, too many offspring. The death rate must catch up to the birthrate, and that is really the only cure. There is no other. That is unless we can start building colonies on Mars or something. Even that solution requires that Mars become self sustaining, because just shipping food and supplies there all the time would be as bad as what we are doing now.
So the harsh fact of the matter is this ; soon people must either die faster or be born slower.. There is no logical argument against this. Those who I would call bleeding hearts will be vehemently opposed to this logic, but it is logic nonetheless. If we don't kill them faster, they have to be born slower, which is the better solution ?
Nature is best left alone to do her job, and if that is through starvation, malnutrition, disease and even crime, just look away. You HAVE TO.
Note : I include wars for profit under the crime category.
Look, if you feed one starving person today, twenty years hence you will have twelve starving people, another twenty years you will have 144 starving people, then in another twenty you will have 1728 starving people. I don't know where the logic stands with the bleeding heart types, but my way there are 1727 less starving people. Is that not better ? How so ?
Charity is not dead in me. We were partying the other night and were going to order some food. There are a couple of quite good places that deliver here and with the drinking people are already concerned about getting home, so we order. One guy didn't want anything when I asked if he ate anything substantial today. He replied he has no money right now. I told him we can afford him today and handed him the menu. I know plenty of people who have too much month left at the end of their money. Help on an intermmitent basis like that is fine, but an ongoing commitment to "save" someone is not right in my eyes. Sometimes I started to feel like a bank, loaning out money all the time, but have curtailed that recently. With this economy my bottom line is catching up to my top line, so that's the way it is. Noone has abandoned me because of it.
Here is another question I would pose. As Men starved in the old west and slaves were brought in taking jobs, who helped us ? Who did we call upon for foreign aid ? When my Mother was making $75 a week and paying $25 a week for "day care" which only amounted to about three hours a day five days a week after school, who helped her ? And even though I usually do alright, I have had tough times. When I dug through the freezer only to find some year old chicken and made it into chicken chow mein because that is all we had the ingredients for, and had to make it last until payday who helped me ?
Granted when I was homeless some helped me, but I asked for as little as possible. A shower now and then, if dinner was a cooking and I was there they would feed me. But I never got a voucher for rent, a new stove and fridge, food stamps, none of it. Applying for welfare never entered my mind. Eventually I again made friends with my Mother who took me in temporarily which gave me a chance to get a job, another car and my own place.
I was taught that one has to make their own way in life, that by lecture and example, and later by personal experience. And it was as little as possible and for the shortest time possible. I guess a good analogy might be if you keep your car tuned up so it starts easily your starter motor will last alot longer. But if the engine has no spark plugs, no fuel and no oil in the crankcase, there is no sense in turning the key is there ?
I believe that these notions of self reliance are what made this country once great, and the current lack of such ideals is what is causing the decay which we now witness.
Are my views harsh ? Yes. But in addition I would submit that these views are no harsher than the laws of nature, and therefore are not in conflict with the laws of nature. And like the old margarine commercial "It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature".
Look, you may correct me at times about certain factual errors I might make, but nothing changes my core viewpoint. If you prove to me that blood transfusions are the chief cause of the spread of aids in Africa fine, but my response would be "What, do these people change blood like the oil in your car ?". Also unsubstantiated but I don't think is in need of qualification, last I checked a blood transfusion does not result in pregnancy.
So perhaps some are actually taking my disregard for certain fact/aspects of the situation as ignorance, but it is not. I am aware of these things and do have some compassion. But I also have compassion for those 1,727 people who never had a chance, who never should've been born. And while pertinent that they might have nothing to offfer the world, one must realize that the world had nothing to offer them, in the way of opportunity and such. The latter is the real reason they should never have been born.
Also not that I am fully aware that it was not their choice to be born. So let's put the blame where it belongs. If you can't provide for your offspring until you successfully mold them into self reliant adult members of society, you are not a qualified Parent.
And to those who really do think I am ignorant, consider this. I am fully aware that in my vision of a perfect world, Beetoven would never have been born. He had a shitload of older siblings, a bunch of them born with birth defects. What would be the loss to society ? That is easily researchable on the net, but before chiding me on that basis, familiarize yourself with the intercourse between one Horatio Bunce and then congressman David Crockett. The latter should illustrate my point.
Yes I hold harsh views, but they are no harsher than the Laws of Nature.
T
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