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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/28/2009 11:11:59 AM   
ShaktiSama


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

You probably don't know how that feels, and I pity you.


This, like a great deal of the rest of the nonsense in your post, is pure out-of-the-aether ignorance.  You have no idea what I know and what I don't, what I've experienced and what I haven't, what I feel and what I don't feel.  The only thing you know about me is that I am completely repulsed by the idea of sharing my partner with others, and that I find the notion of "No Limits Slavery" increasingly laughable as people who profess to be part of these relationships speak up more and more about them. 

Trying to draw so many inferences from my response to other people's bizarrely hypocritical and self-contradictory posts is ridiculous.  Trying to infer inexperience, lack of sophistication or insecurity from my monogamous orientation is also ridiculous--and childish, foolish, and sadly typical of people who have some sort of poly/swinger orientation.  So is the false belief that one aspect of their own sexuality--their polysexuality--is automatically associated with other aspects, like their BDSM orientation, and therefore that the two should automatically be associated or socially imposed on everyone they meet as somehow being the norm.  (See the OP)

This is not the case.  Polyamory, like homosexuality, is an orientation that is natural to only a small percentage of the population, kinky or otherwise.  Nothing you do or say, no matter how pompous and superior you become, will make it "natural" to the rest of us, any more than stamping your little feet and throwing a tantrum will make someone gay.  Nevertheless I cannot tell you how many times, by how many idiots, I have been informed that polyamory and swinging behavior was a sign of moral superiority and greater sexual sophistication, the "Twue" version of any other sexual identity, including BDSM.  Over the years I have become increasingly hostile to this rhetoric being bandied about in ANY public space that I occupy.  Polyamorous evangelism is every bit as tiresome as any other kind, believe it or not.

So if you want to pity me because I do not "hire out" my partners?  Please feel free to combine it with pity that I am not a lesbian, black, a Jehovah's Witness, etc..  That way I can tell you to go fuck yourself in a lot of different ways at once.

If, on the other hand, you pity me because I do not need my partners to lie to ME and THEMSELVES about the "limitless" nature of our relationship in order to get off--feel free to do that as well.  But be aware that the more "No Limits" dominants and submissives talk in this thread, the more clear it becomes to me that "No Limits" relationships do not exist unless they are eventually fatal for one or more people.

The rest of the relationships being described as "No Limits" are very obviously and stringently limited in a wide variety of ways.  Calling them "No Limits" is rather ridiculous when the minute you scratch the surface and seriously challenge the people involved, you find that these relationships are limited in ALL the same ways that other normal bdsm relationships are.  The only difference turns out to be that the partners in these relationships need a label that makes them "special".

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You're in it for the 'fun' and the 'kink'. That' your idea of 'noble'.


Lol.  Telephone for the pot.  It's the kettle?  He says "You're black."

You have no idea what I consider noble, what I am "in it" for, etc.  You only know what I consider deplorable.  To clarify:  I consider people who harm or destroy their partners deplorable.  I consider it equally deplorable when people vapidly hand themselves over to be destroyed.  This is the only definition of "No Limits" which has any real meaning in my opinion.  All other definitions are a lie; limitations exist and are observed by both parties., they simply call their relationship "No Limits" because they like to imagine they are Kinkier-Than-Thou.

Both sides of the real "No Limits" equation are equally despicable to me:  I despise destructive sadists and I despise self-destructive masochists.  I loathe both types equally, especially when the self-destructive mashocist so often places other victims in the path of pain and destruction, including other family members, friends and children.  I cannot tell you how many times in law enforcement you see a woman in an abusive male-dominant relationship whose children are even more battered and abused than she is, and who are maimed or killed long before she goes.  The sort of dominant who enjoys victimizing those who are truly weak has NO LIMITS on what he or she is willing to do, and to whom.  I think maybe the fucking slave should grow a pair of ovaries and stand up for herself and others by placing some "limits", myself. 

Don't agree?  Don't like my tone?  Don't care.  Absolutely nothing you say will give me one iota of respect for people who do not place and ENFORCE some moral boundaries, in their own lives and the lives of others.  Nothing you say will eroticize or ennoble in my eyes the person who completely abdicates all adult responsibility, submissive or not.

The fact that you assume that because I recognize limits that I trivialize BDSM relationships, that I use "safewords", etc.?  Speaks volumes about how you construct your "real" D/S relationship versus those you imagine to be less real because limits are more openly and honestly discussed by the partners.  Believe it or not, not everyone who dislikes the "No Limits" label is a casual player, a not-real submissive, or a dominant who abdicates responsibility. Quite the opposite, in fact; I take my power over others rather seriously, and I would no more collar a real "No Limits" submissive than I would beat a small child, kick a friendly dog to death, or tie up and rape a farm animal.

You can imagine that this is because I am lacking in confidence and "afraid of Twue Dominance" if you like. From my point of view, it's because I am not a sufficiently weak human being that I require such an abject victim.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/28/2009 1:35:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
thats just it ladies.  you have your definition of slavery.  yours to embrace and hold dear, to enjoy and revol in.  yet, again, i ask.. what if the man in your life commands you to kill someone close to you?  would you?


Hello tazzygirl,

I don't spend  time thinking about whether or not i have limits or if Master might be breaching them should such  things exist. We just live. In two years, something i simply Can Not do (an actual limit) has yet to come up. Things i just don't like or don't want aren't limits, they are opinions and i'm allowed to have all the opinions i want. If they happen to be contrary to Master's plans or wishes, that's just too bad for me and that's fine with me, being part and parcel of this whole slavery thing. I should also add that he quite often even takes them into account and that he takes full responsibility for any and all consequences that might result. He hasn't asked me to assassinate anybody yet.

There used to be the infamous 'tit slicing' argument used against the then newly "out"  no-safeword crowd. Because yes, if a top comes at me with a machete when i am all bound up and helpless with plans to cut my tits off, me saying "Red!" will magically make his sense and sanity return and he suddenly won't want to do that anymore *nods*. Just like putting The Big Three "hard limits" on a profile will keep the hoards of people into those things from wanting to do them with me.

But, anyway, if the point of stretching the "no limits" illustrations to absurdum is to make people give a little more thought to what they claim and what they seek, then i see no real problem with giving the question a genuine answer. As honest as possible. And the answer is: i don't know.  See, to me slave is not just a job description or a relationship paradigm or a status. It is a condition of the mind and circumstance.  In this culture, it is a folie-a-duex (or trois or quatre...), but that does not make the consequences and applications any less real. I am not a slave (one who serves and obeys) simply because i "agreed" to be one (though it started there), or because of pre-existing psychosocial proclivities and inclinations (though they are essential) but because i am enslaved.  Not being an idiot or a sociopath myself, and being aware of the implications and ramifications of enslavement, i begged the collar of a man who is quite sane, strong and moral. Now, if this sane, strong, moral man suddenly fell into a spell of sociopathy, i'd be well and truly fucked if  he were capable of maintaining my enslavement during his decline. If i were unable to run, unable to disobey, it would  not be because of any agreement or declaration on my part of being a "no limits slave", it would be because i would have gone bugshit insane right along with him. So, what would i do in your scenario under those conditions? *Shrug* Can't honestly say. I might obey. I might turn the gun on myself, might even turn it on Master. A truly tragic and horrifying scenario to imagine.

It's far more likely that if Master suffered a sudden bout of insanity that his enslavement of me would suffer somewhere along the way and i would not be compelled to obey, since yes, i do have the same internal compunction against outright murder as i did before i was enslaved.

Best,
aj





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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/28/2009 3:27:51 PM   
Viridana


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

You probably don't know how that feels, and I pity you.


This, like a great deal of the rest of the nonsense in your post, is pure out-of-the-aether ignorance.  You have no idea what I know and what I don't, what I've experienced and what I haven't, what I feel and what I don't feel.  The only thing you know about me is that I am completely repulsed by the idea of sharing my partner with others, and that I find the notion of "No Limits Slavery" increasingly laughable as people who profess to be part of these relationships speak up more and more about them. 

Trying to draw so many inferences from my response to other people's bizarrely hypocritical and self-contradictory posts is ridiculous.  Trying to infer inexperience, lack of sophistication or insecurity from my monogamous orientation is also ridiculous--and childish, foolish, and sadly typical of people who have some sort of poly/swinger orientation.  So is the false belief that one aspect of their own sexuality--their polysexuality--is automatically associated with other aspects, like their BDSM orientation, and therefore that the two should automatically be associated or socially imposed on everyone they meet as somehow being the norm.  (See the OP)

This is not the case.  Polyamory, like homosexuality, is an orientation that is natural to only a small percentage of the population, kinky or otherwise.  Nothing you do or say, no matter how pompous and superior you become, will make it "natural" to the rest of us, any more than stamping your little feet and throwing a tantrum will make someone gay.  Nevertheless I cannot tell you how many times, by how many idiots, I have been informed that polyamory and swinging behavior was a sign of moral superiority and greater sexual sophistication, the "Twue" version of any other sexual identity, including BDSM.  Over the years I have become increasingly hostile to this rhetoric being bandied about in ANY public space that I occupy.  Polyamorous evangelism is every bit as tiresome as any other kind, believe it or not.

So if you want to pity me because I do not "hire out" my partners?  Please feel free to combine it with pity that I am not a lesbian, black, a Jehovah's Witness, etc..  That way I can tell you to go fuck yourself in a lot of different ways at once.

If, on the other hand, you pity me because I do not need my partners to lie to ME and THEMSELVES about the "limitless" nature of our relationship in order to get off--feel free to do that as well.  But be aware that the more "No Limits" dominants and submissives talk in this thread, the more clear it becomes to me that "No Limits" relationships do not exist unless they are eventually fatal for one or more people.

The rest of the relationships being described as "No Limits" are very obviously and stringently limited in a wide variety of ways.  Calling them "No Limits" is rather ridiculous when the minute you scratch the surface and seriously challenge the people involved, you find that these relationships are limited in ALL the same ways that other normal bdsm relationships are.  The only difference turns out to be that the partners in these relationships need a label that makes them "special".

quote:

You're in it for the 'fun' and the 'kink'. That' your idea of 'noble'.


Lol.  Telephone for the pot.  It's the kettle?  He says "You're black."

You have no idea what I consider noble, what I am "in it" for, etc.  You only know what I consider deplorable.  To clarify:  I consider people who harm or destroy their partners deplorable.  I consider it equally deplorable when people vapidly hand themselves over to be destroyed.  This is the only definition of "No Limits" which has any real meaning in my opinion.  All other definitions are a lie; limitations exist and are observed by both parties., they simply call their relationship "No Limits" because they like to imagine they are Kinkier-Than-Thou.

Both sides of the real "No Limits" equation are equally despicable to me:  I despise destructive sadists and I despise self-destructive masochists.  I loathe both types equally, especially when the self-destructive mashocist so often places other victims in the path of pain and destruction, including other family members, friends and children.  I cannot tell you how many times in law enforcement you see a woman in an abusive male-dominant relationship whose children are even more battered and abused than she is, and who are maimed or killed long before she goes.  The sort of dominant who enjoys victimizing those who are truly weak has NO LIMITS on what he or she is willing to do, and to whom.  I think maybe the fucking slave should grow a pair of ovaries and stand up for herself and others by placing some "limits", myself. 

Don't agree?  Don't like my tone?  Don't care.  Absolutely nothing you say will give me one iota of respect for people who do not place and ENFORCE some moral boundaries, in their own lives and the lives of others.  Nothing you say will eroticize or ennoble in my eyes the person who completely abdicates all adult responsibility, submissive or not.

The fact that you assume that because I recognize limits that I trivialize BDSM relationships, that I use "safewords", etc.?  Speaks volumes about how you construct your "real" D/S relationship versus those you imagine to be less real because limits are more openly and honestly discussed by the partners.  Believe it or not, not everyone who dislikes the "No Limits" label is a casual player, a not-real submissive, or a dominant who abdicates responsibility. Quite the opposite, in fact; I take my power over others rather seriously, and I would no more collar a real "No Limits" submissive than I would beat a small child, kick a friendly dog to death, or tie up and rape a farm animal.

You can imagine that this is because I am lacking in confidence and "afraid of Twue Dominance" if you like. From my point of view, it's because I am not a sufficiently weak human being that I require such an abject victim.




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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/29/2009 11:21:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: marie2

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

The trend continues here on CM wherein the new fems find the site and normally after about 30 to 60 days have found the " master" that they sought all their lives but just did not recognize their need until now.
My thoughts center on expectancies on the part of these newly rewarded females or males as they have found the light and dedicated themselves to a "master"or mistress.
Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires.


I think that depends on what the two have agreed upon.  It's no secret that dynamics vary from couple to couple, regardless of how they label themselves.

To me, it always turns out to be one of those questions like "which came first the chicken or the egg". 
Does the mistress or master "carry the power" or "ultimate right" to blah blah blah...?  Well, since no one is genetically born as a "master" with an "ultimate right",  first the "power" and "ultimate right" has to be given to them by a willing party.  After that, if it's their agreement that the master/mistress can lend the "slave" out, or if it's their agreement that the slave is going to do whatever arises that the master desires, I guess it could work for them.  Some people enjoy being lent out,  and I would imagine in most cases this is something that is addressed at the onset of the relationship. 




marie2,

Of course that power has to be given to the "M" but so few as they come into the path really understand the baisics and protocols. thus they fall victim to wanabees and worse.

CP

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 9:58:55 AM   
InTonguesslut


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Of course that power has to be given to the "M" but so few as they come into the path really understand the baisics and protocols. thus they fall victim to wanabees and worse.


I think what you're failing to understand here Cp is that there will never be a universal agreement on what the 'basics' or 'protocol' is. everyone has differing opinions, versions of these things so there will never be an agreement of what is right and wrong.
Just like there will never be universal agreement on the slave vs sub debate, no limits vs limits, hiring out vs non-hiring out, whats bratting and whats not, maoschists more valued than non-masochists etc etc. You could go on forever with these lists.
at some point the argument has to stop or go round in never ending circles. At some point it has to be accepted that everyones opinions and views are different and that there probably is no right or wrong, just what is right or wrong for each of us as individuals.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 10:31:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama
Both sides of the real "No Limits" equation are equally despicable to me:  I despise destructive sadists and I despise self-destructive masochists.  I loathe both types equally, especially when the self-destructive mashocist so often places other victims in the path of pain and destruction, including other family members, friends and children.  I cannot tell you how many times in law enforcement you see a woman in an abusive male-dominant relationship whose children are even more battered and abused than she is, and who are maimed or killed long before she goes.  The sort of dominant who enjoys victimizing those who are truly weak has NO LIMITS on what he or she is willing to do, and to whom.  I think maybe the fucking slave should grow a pair of ovaries and stand up for herself and others by placing some "limits", myself. 

Don't agree?  Don't like my tone?  Don't care.  Absolutely nothing you say will give me one iota of respect for people who do not place and ENFORCE some moral boundaries, in their own lives and the lives of others.  Nothing you say will eroticize or ennoble in my eyes the person who completely abdicates all adult responsibility, submissive or not.


Hi, ShaktiSama----
I can tell that you're a highly intelligent lady by your posts, not to mention you have good taste in writers.  :> 
The portion of your post above got me to twitching, though, because it makes a leap I don't think does D/s any justice: it links dangerous antisocials and/or narcissists and the (I completely agree with you) also dangerous borderlines, dependent personalities, and/or hystrionics who partner with them with the idea of D/s and I don't think that is the case.  Those folks who are in those sort of 'meat grinder' relationships (And, the worst part is that they often breed, then innocents suffer: truly, I don't care if the grown-ups tear each other apart...probably good culling of the herd, actually) aren't typically functioning within a D/s or M/s or deliberately, intelligently, thoughtfully construed relationship: they're seriously fucked up people who are pulled together by their pathologies.  I worked with court-ordered offenders in domestic violence situations for 5 years.  I wouldn't work with the 'victims' because of the pathologies that you noted and the fact that, as a clinician,  I needed to at least not despise my client(s) and a woman who takes her kid(s) back into abusive situations is one of the worst forms of surplus population, imo.  At least if the 'offenders' acted up, I could send them back to court and potentially to jail.  I wasn't going to feed into the attention and hand-patting that the 'victims' got. 
I don't have any golden ideas about people involved in D/s and their inherent nobility or any other such foolishness.  I just felt that it was really important to delineate between those sort of folks you mentioned above and the other sorts of relationships that this thread has been discussing as I don't think they're the same inherently. 
  Davan

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 10:49:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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...That having been said, Mercnbeth, though I've not met them in person, seem a couple that functions in synergy.  One really can't argue with the success of that or the palpability here.  Is that rare: a couple functioning synergistically on a consistent basis: yeah.  Is it more rare still in a 'no limits' situation: can't say for sure but probably.  Can't argue with what is, though.  Merc or beth, please correct me if I am wrong on this recollection: beth, I think you mentioned itis your naturally inclination to submit, across the board.  If that is the case and that is who beth is, for whatever reasons, then having the good fortune to meet up with Merc, someone who cherishes and protects her is rather awesome...


thanks, DavanKael.
 
you are correct, it is this slave's inclination to submit, across the board.  the reasons for it are not borne of adversity or trauma, but from an isolated, militaristic, "old-school southern" upbringing.
 
you are also correct that it is extremely fortunate for this slave to have encountered Master, who cherishes and protects her and VALUES her.
 
domiguy sounds like every single vanilla male this slave encountered before meeting Master at the ripe old age of 36.  "you are sick"...is a phrase this slave got used to...and finally stoppped seeking out partners in that pool EXACTLY for that reason.  and they weren't just talking about her masochistic wiring when they said it...they really believed that submissive, not by "choice" but by inclination or training=mentally ill.


You're welcome, beth.  :>  Just makin' a statement based on observation. 
I think it is to your credit, that you realize and hold in high regard being cherished, protected, and valued.  If you were as downtrodden or sick as some might propose one in a no-limits situation must be, I don't think you'd list those things as of particular import and things of which you are certain you are in posession. 
I think that Domiguy is taking a stance at the extreme end of the spectrum and as this is a discussion of extremes, stances are just getting more and more polar.  I greatly enjoy his posts generally and have said so on numerous occasions.  He has an obvious wit and makes me laugh heartily on a regular basis.  I think that the adherence to absolutes is perhaps the problem.  I agree wholeheartedly with him that most people who would call themselves no-limits folks are psychiatric roadkill.  That having been said, that's no hard and fast rule and if one sees evidence to the contrary, it would be a disservice to ignore that.  You guys strike me as one of those exceptions.  :> 
  Davan


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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 12:52:24 PM   
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You know what quote you missed and didn't address? Yours - This ivory tower disclosure; "This "IS" pure garbage. "A person who submits within reason IS actually "superior".

Well "Ms Superior", let me tell you how this sadist dealt with 'safe-words' and 'limits'. I used that person more sadistically and without caring of the consequences much more than I ever used any person who took the time to know me, trusted me, and more importantly, let enough time and contact go by to let me trust them. Because OH YEAH! did I participate with partners who insisted on using them; especially when experiencing sensations was my primary goal. I used them, and used the false sense of security they provided to enjoy myself while not caring about my partner.

After all, I am a man of integrity and never did exceed any pre-set limit. I also never ignored a safe-word. However, by not needing to care, or worry about going too far; I could be as totally self centered and sadistic as I wanted. I didn't have to worry about the psyche, physical strain, pain, or marks (unless that was a 'limit'), because I didn't have to take on those responsibilities.

With safe-words; its up to the sub to analyze and qualify every spank to determine if it was too hard. Nipple clips aren't a hard limit? Cool - I'll use these with the serrated teeth. Oh - that's a 'RED!' I hear! OMG - SORRY! (repressed giggle) I didn't know.

I wouldn't let something as silly as agreeing to limits or safe-words get in my way of having a good time. I didn't miss out on anything. Oh - water-sports are a hard limit but you're heavily into breast bondage? OH - you don't like physical pain, but enjoy water-sports? Hey - there's 24 hours in the day and a weekend includes a couple of days; it's all about proper scheduling.

Before meeting beth, I may not have had one person a "no limits" no "safe-word" slave; however I had enough people to call who served my sadism across the entire gamut of my personal 'perversions'.  I enjoyed being with people who used them and didn't. Of course this was before the days of the politically correct 'lifestyle' spawned by the internet. There was much more personal sharing involved beyond exchanging IM names along with limits lists. Whether you like my personal disclosure of taking advantage of the opportunity to use someone simply by agreeing to use what they provide from their menu of limits; I assure you it exists. You can pick on polygamy or the lend/lease program for an 'owned slave' but whatever the 'limit' there is a 'dom' out there ready to agree to it. The 'sub' may get lucky and only have experiences with those having integrity similar to me, but it only takes one who doesn't to find out just how worthless those limits and safe-words are for safety and self-preservation.

I'm not pointing this to those who enjoy a frequent 'spank & tickle' session, or someone who likes to spice up their lives by dabbling into some of the activities under the WIITWD umbrella; but playing with a sadist is much more dangerous WITH safe-words and limits than without them. A 'sadist' will use those against the submissive. Tell me I can't use a 'cane' and you'll wish I did. Tell me it's okay to increase the intensity until I hear 'yellow' and I guarantee you'll be screaming yellow. And that's from an agenda of being a sadist, having a personal limit not wanting to kill or maim. It does not speak for all. By agreeing to play with someone who requires me to surrender my responsibility for controlling the level and manner of play my only agenda is enjoying myself withing those rules. Any empathy is ignored, because after-all if it bothered them, I'd hear a safe-word. It's up to them. I don't have to worry about 'head space'. You want safe-words, it's up to you; and you better keep your mind functioning on a level that can articulate them.

Note, that in my last post I identified the process as 'FUN!' It sure is for me. I guess it was also the case with most of those who I played with under those circumstances because I don't recall many 'one night stands'. However, it wasn't my concern to care. I met the level of expectation and responsibility; I honored all limits, and listened for the 'magic word'. I enjoyed myself and placated my sadistic desires. Whatever experience the other party had really wasn't my concern. They wanted to retain the responsibility and I took advantage of the opportunity provided to enjoy myself. My only responsibility regarding them was meeting their integrity expectations. Lifestyle or not - that's not something I compromise.

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama
The only difference turns out to be that the partners in these relationships need a label that makes them "special".
Where did that occur? Where is there any reference to "special". Oh yeah - it's was you! "A person who submits within reason IS actually "superior". Why do YOU have the need the "special" label?

What I represent is NOT Dogma, except as it applies to my relationship with beth. It is NOT 'the' or even 'a' way to a 'successful' relationship under any definition you, or anyone else has for a 'successful' relationship. We do NOT think we are special and sure as hell would never represent ourselves as a couple or as a individual as "superior". The only thing we think and represent as superior is our life now together as a couple as compared to our individual lives before we met.

I know you don't know us anymore than we know you. My purpose in replying isn't to convince you of anything. Whether you think we exist as we describe has no impact; although feel free to visit if you're ever in the neighborhood. 
quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama
Don't agree?  Don't like my tone?  Don't care. 
Nothing you've said supports that representation; however I'm curious, have you convinced yourself?

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 1:42:00 PM   
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I just felt that it was really important to delineate between those sort of folks you mentioned above and the other sorts of relationships that this thread has been discussing as I don't think they're the same inherently. 
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Be it be mere ignorance as to how a mindset can exist that competently needs/wishes a no-limits relationship or just a personal projection of personal biases and fears onto something that smells enough like them, the recurring problem we continue to have with those who appear to get their virtual upper lip curled at the mention of a TPE relationship is an unwillingness (or inability?) to dissociate dynamic from pathology. For the sake of political humor, we can call it the 'iraq war syndrome': "this looks similar enough to something/someone we should totally be pissed about, so lets get pissed off about it for the same reasons."


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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 2:02:27 PM   
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domiguy sounds like every single vanilla male this slave encountered before meeting Master at the ripe old age of 36.  "you are sick"...is a phrase this slave got used to...and finally stoppped seeking out partners in that pool EXACTLY for that reason.  and they weren't just talking about her masochistic wiring when they said it...they really believed that submissive, not by "choice" but by inclination or training=mentally ill.


And you sound like every woman that I have met that is completely lacking in possessing any self worth or esteem.   It is why this Dom only dates women with their "shit together."

Who really has the time to deal with folks like this?

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 2:13:39 PM   
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Who really has the time to deal with folks like this?


People who don't try to measure the volume of something with a yardstick and then misapply their erroneous conclusions onto the individual's intellectual quality.


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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 2:21:36 PM   
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domiguy sounds like every single vanilla male this slave encountered before meeting Master at the ripe old age of 36.  "you are sick"...is a phrase this slave got used to...and finally stoppped seeking out partners in that pool EXACTLY for that reason.  and they weren't just talking about her masochistic wiring when they said it...they really believed that submissive, not by "choice" but by inclination or training=mentally ill.
And you sound like every woman that I have met that is completely lacking in possessing any self worth or esteem.   It is why this Dom only dates women with their "shit together."

DG,
Wow - I didn't know you were so inspired however, it's good to see that you try and adopt third person speech. As much as you try to be like beth;  sorry, but I am not interested in taking you on as a slave - no matter how much you try.
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Who really has the time to deal with folks like this?

But you had to post something didn't you? No rebuttal, no point of reference, no challenge, but you took the time. I don't understand the problem you have with people who represent their lives in a matter which you can not comprehend. You? When you can provide such an intelligent and 'witty' point of reference don't have the time to educate us and other poor delusional folks? Where's your compassion?

However, I appreciate you need to date "shit" together or otherwise. Who else wouldn't notice your similarly odorous self righteous smell?

I also have doubts regarding your point of reference. You've actually met and been with a woman in real life?

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 2:21:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok i'm really curious about some things now..........
 
where are all this out of their mind, insane, crazy subs / slaves?
where are all the doms that would demand their sub / slave kill someone or chop off their arm or other such bullshit?
I don't know about anyone else but i've seen none posting here and come across none in real life?
 
where are all the disease ridden whores that get hired out?
where are all the doms that dont give a toss their sub / slave is now a disease ridden whore?
I don't know about anyone else but i've seen none posting here and come across none in real life?
 
where are all the news reports about subs killing because their dom asked them too or chopped their arms off because their dom asked them too?
where are all the news reports about subs being made into disease ridden whores by their doms hiring them out?
 
I'm not saying that none of this exists but come on someone show me the proof that this is prevalent and not a rarity.
 
 
 

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 2:24:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

Ok i'm really curious about some things now..........
 
where are all this out of their mind, insane, crazy subs / slaves?
where are all the doms that would demand their sub / slave kill someone or chop off their arm or other such bullshit?
I don't know about anyone else but i've seen none posting here and come across none in real life?
 
where are all the disease ridden whores that get hired out?
where are all the doms that dont give a toss their sub / slave is now a disease ridden whore?
I don't know about anyone else but i've seen none posting here and come across none in real life?
 
where are all the news reports about subs killing because their dom asked them too or chopped their arms off because their dom asked them too?
where are all the news reports about subs being made into disease ridden whores by their doms hiring them out?
 
I'm not saying that none of this exists but come on someone show me the proof that this is prevalent and not a rarity.



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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 2:44:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do I think that there are an inordinate amount of people that have reached this place due to mental or physical trauma or abuse?...You betcha.

Just read the tales of rape, incest and other forms of abuse that show up here regularily. 

What do you say to someone that states they have no limits and will do whatever another asks of them?   Do you ask what happened to you?  Do you want to meet their folks to see where exactly things went astray?

Would anyuone want this for  their own daughter?   There is not a chance in Hell that my daughter would ever end up in this type of a predicamant.  I would instill self worth and confidence.  She would take pride in her ideals and place values upon her mind and her body.

There are two side to this fence. There are plenty of guys out here that are completely incapable of pursuing a meaningful relationship with a woman...So they hide behind the Dom mask.

whatever. Both are equally pathetic.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 2:49:21 PM   
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the true "no limit" slaves

not quite a rarity as you may wish to believe

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 2:54:05 PM   
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/?id=11881780&q=sex%20slave&p=1&st=1&sm=user

the true "no limit" slaves

not quite a rarity as you may wish to believe


I bet if you did a "study" of these women you would find that they all came from two parent homes.  That they all graduated from high school (maybe even college)  That they never experienced any form of abuse.  

They were all perfectly well rounded fucks.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 2:55:41 PM   
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Do I think that there are an inordinate amount of people that have reached this place due to mental or physical trauma or abuse?...You betcha.

Just read the tales of rape, incest and other forms of abuse that show up here regularily. 

What do you say to someone that states they have no limits and will do whatever another asks of them?   Do you ask what happened to you?  Do you want to meet their folks to see where exactly things went astray?

Would anyuone want this for  their own daughter?   There is not a chance in Hell that my daughter would ever end up in this type of a predicamant.  I would instill self worth and confidence.  She would take pride in her ideals and place values upon her mind and her body.

There are two side to this fence. There are plenty of guys out here that are completely incapable of pursuing a meaningful relationship with a woman...So they hide behind the Dom mask.

whatever. Both are equally pathetic.


did someone say pathetic?


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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 3:01:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Do I think that there are an inordinate amount of people that have reached this place due to mental or physical trauma or abuse?...You betcha.

Just read the tales of rape, incest and other forms of abuse that show up here regularily. 

What do you say to someone that states they have no limits and will do whatever another asks of them?   Do you ask what happened to you?  Do you want to meet their folks to see where exactly things went astray?

Would anyuone want this for  their own daughter?   There is not a chance in Hell that my daughter would ever end up in this type of a predicamant.  I would instill self worth and confidence.  She would take pride in her ideals and place values upon her mind and her body.

There are two side to this fence. There are plenty of guys out here that are completely incapable of pursuing a meaningful relationship with a woman...So they hide behind the Dom mask.

whatever. Both are equally pathetic.


did someone say pathetic?

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Yep. I did.  I assure you that many of the "no limiters" out here did not have a happy and healthy past.  Way out of whack when compared to their vanilla counterparts.

You really want to argue this point?  It is obvious.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/30/2009 3:12:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		sadly, most did.  one was even lured by a "new girl" at school.  i caught the story on msnbc the other night.  the "new girl" actually had a prison record for prostitution.  she was ordered to find another new girl.  they kidnapped the second girl, she was beaten and raped repeatedly.  the police didnt even want to investigate.

its a sad story.  and i know some will say... but.. she was a victim, that wasnt a Dom.  when you get to the point that you will do anything to survive, you are owned, mastered, enslaved.  thats true slavery without limits  both girls felt their lives were in danger.  both girls did things they would never, ever consent too.  both girls were both mastered, each in different ways.

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