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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 8:47:22 AM   
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The death of "real journalism" is bemoaned regularly in the culture Fox has helped create. That considered, Mr. Shine's words come not without a strong note of irony. It's clear the network is heavily conservative in ideology, or else it would have coined the slogan "the voice of opposition" much earlier.

I for one am glad to see the demise of the conservative majority for now. Conservatism in it's pure form has some sound points, but I think religious and commercial special interest have tinkered with the cause too much. That said, some honest form of libertarianism is in strong need of a real mouthpiece in Washington. The polarization that the two current political parties bring to American leadership worries me.


You put your finger on the root cause of the death of true conservatism in this country. Classic, traditional libertarian conservatism has been replaced by authoritarian conservatism. Where are the Eisenhower Republicans? The party of "leave me alone" has become the party of "you can't do that."


The party of "leave me alone" has become the party of "you can't do that."

Sadly, that's an accurate (and funny) nutshell. Here I was thinking that was the duty of the left!

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 9:16:28 AM   
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It all starts with the faults,self serving premise that mainstream media is biased to the left or is liberal leaning.If there`s any bias,it`s toward corporate America.

After that,you can pretty much justify any rightwing manipulation,bias and spin of the news.

Add to that a small unknown army of fake/payed off "news people" and a direct daily coordination of news/info with republican politicians (and corporate money) and you have something akin to fascism(the definition kind) and not a news organization.

That same faults premise allows cons to lie to themselves ,as well as to others.If not for all this BS,we`d have been out of Iraq years ago and with how many less GIs killed or w/ ruined bodies?

And there`s nothing quite like this going on on the liberal side.

No political hacks(like Rove) or politicians coordinating with news people to craft message or manipulate info.There`s no news people advising democrats on media strategy,like Roger Ails did w/ bush.There`s no weekly meetings amongst liberals,dem politicians and news/media people like with the Wednesday morning meeting the cons have.

Just saw the con talking point memo.At this revelation(the OP),cons are to have one of three reactions.

1.Say both sides do it(the default fall-back line conservatives use)which is BS.In other words "ok we`re ass holes but they are too".You don`t even need examples or for it to be true for this to work.

2.Claim facts are subjective .Dodging issue by pretending they can have their very own set of facts,claiming some imaginary moral equivalence to folks who tell the truth and blurring the line between empirical fact and opinion.What`s that line?You`re entitled to your own opinion,not your own set of facts.


3. Roll your eyes while sarcastically saying"Yeah,sure.There`s a big right wing conspiracy,where`s your foil hat?",belittling and insulting you while dodging the sorry truth.


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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 10:56:38 AM   
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There is no such thing as an impartial media.  They believe they are impartial but all news is filtered through the moors of its society.

Even within a particular society the news is filtered through a political  and or personal view.

If you are in the UK the BBC is impartial... If you are in the US Fox News is impartial, as long as it matched your political view. If you are in the Middle East Al Jazeera is impartial.

Myself I always understand there is another viewpoint or I am lucky to get the full impartial story...so I am not to quick to make a judgement on one source.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 11:18:23 AM   
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The BBC is less biased than either of those.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 11:27:32 AM   
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I read online...Cnn, BBC. AFP AP Google news and Fox.... for canadian news I watch CBC CTV  and City TV. Ive read Drudge, Onion,  and a few times, Breitbart and Huffington,  but I prefer to get sources from those I trust, I read fox for a counter balance and fantasy and more bias than I have ever seen. I rarely read blogs for the fact that none of them, right or left are pure facts, tho while opinions and commentary  give you  a different view , they arent the most reliable.
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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 11:48:22 AM   
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And a poo hat for Rupert

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 12:19:18 PM   
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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 12:21:04 PM   
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The problem is that journalists are supposed to be the voice of objectivity, not opposition.


When was the last time you saw an objective "journalist"?

I love how you on the left consider CNN, NBC, ABC, BBC..etc to be partial, and objective, and have the gall to bitch about how partisan Fox is. It's been shown time and time again that 99% of the media has a liberal BIAS, yet Fox, because of it's conservative POV is considered the only biased news channel. (even thou it's kicked the crap out of every other "news" channel ratings wise, since it's inception)


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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 12:23:24 PM   
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There is no such thing as an impartial media.  They believe they are impartial but all news is filtered through the moors of its society.

Even within a particular society the news is filtered through a political  and or personal view.

If you are in the UK the BBC is impartial... If you are in the US Fox News is impartial, as long as it matched your political view. If you are in the Middle East Al Jazeera is impartial.

Myself I always understand there is another viewpoint or I am lucky to get the full impartial story...so I am not to quick to make a judgement on one source.


Is that really true?

Do you believe that all news sources are tainted?

Just turn on your TV now and flip back and forth between CNN and FOX.

They'll be undoubtedly covering the same stories, but tell me me which one you see as closest to the ideal of objective journalism.



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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 12:25:14 PM   
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When was the last time you saw an objective "journalist"?



Turn on something other than FOX and become enlightened.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 12:28:50 PM   
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Turn on something other than FOX and become enlightened.


And maybe I'll get the tingle up my leg every time Obama show's his stuttering face.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 12:38:28 PM   
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When was the last time you saw an objective "journalist"?



Turn on something other than FOX and become enlightened.



The dichotomy isn`t a left-right one.In FoxNews` case,it`s lie vs truth,fact vs fiction.

Folks just want the plain truth told and facts reported.That`s it.

Accept for Limbaugh listeners ,most folks don`t want someone else doing their thinking for them, spinning the news or lying to them "on their behalf".

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 12:59:17 PM   
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Are there truly that many people who formulate their opinions contingent on the source of the information? Fox's bias, CNN's bias, MSNBC, or Bloomberg; the editorializing rhetoric shouldn't create any more legitimacy. Whether it's Barbara Streisand or Barbara Walters, use the facts presented and go from there. If they don't match your opinion dig deeper; not regarding the opinion but of the facts.

Admittedly, I'm not an ideal commentator. I don't listen to any of the talking heads on any network. I prefer the raw news from newspapers ranging from Pravda to the New York Post. At least you can't 'hear' the bias when you read. I'll listen to interviews and the Sunday morning shows, but appreciate that the questions are slanted similarly to editorializing agenda. The best source of news is the one whose editorial slant is the most in opposition to yours. Such a source tests your confidence and requires you to research the facts that support your position. You come through the process a lot more knowledgeable than you do if you sit there and 'head-bob' while drinking the 'kool-aid' of either sides propaganda.

FOX wants to represent the 'Opposition Party'. I pretty sure that was a self appointed label. Consider its value similar to any self proclaimed 'master' on CM - you don't have to accept it as a factual representation from either side of the flogger. It's all about MARKETING, sales and a 'big bad capitalist agenda'.

Now I understand if they were failing, all the neo-caps would be clamoring to bail them out. However, they are very successful. There marketing campaign obviously works - there is no thread regarding the slant of CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, or MSNBC. They hold the #1 position of all cable news networks.

Use the news - don't base a philosophy upon it or any source of propaganda. Unless of course, you need some 'villain' to blame for the failure of the side you support. In that case FOX is providing it for you. THEY are the cause for having this Administration spend about $3 Trillion in tax money without a plan. It's FOX fault that Dodd wrote in Bonus language and Obama signed it. It's FOX who called for the greatest government payout of corporate welfare that this country has every seen. It's FOX who has set a policy to create a deficit that will require 2 generations of US citizens to pay. It's FOX who set a policy to reward every public employee union and laugh at the thought of further funding for the auto industry which would keep an industry in place that another union, the UAW, made major concessions to management. It's FOX who caused the lack of confidence in the private investment sector.

I appreciate there are many who NEED to believe all that, making FOX the cause of the current effect. It must be because a more logical direction for placing blame just isn't palatable.

Tell me, are the same people who feel that the FOX disclosure is reprehensible the same ones who felt the same "tingle" down their legs as 'reported' by Chris Matthews on MSNBC when he hears Obama speak? You know, at this point, it may have been just a circulation problem that Chris should have checked out. 

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:00:12 PM   
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Turn on something other than FOX and become enlightened.


And maybe I'll get the tingle up my leg every time Obama show's his stuttering face.



You'll probably see him more on FOX than anywhere else.  Every story they run anymore seems to be about him or whatever policy of his they can say is wrong to try and boost their ratings.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:03:43 PM   
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Is there any evidence Chris Matthews has been involved in shenanigans like these  Post #: 22 ?

Any evidence Matthews used his position to mislead people?

It`s the maleficences,Merc.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:06:24 PM   
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I appreciate there are many who NEED to believe all that, making FOX the cause of the current effect. It must be because a more logical direction for placing blame just isn't palatable.



Either you're delusional, or just plain annoyed that people express the same amount of cynicism towards Fox that you exhibit towards the current administration. I haven't seen anybody 'blame' Fox for the crisis. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that all these buffoons can do is sell lies to a naive (at best) audience - and now that Fox' interests are no longer represented in government, they're having a huge tantrum, that's all.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:09:32 PM   
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The BBC is less biased than either of those.


Right...big suprise where you are from

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:15:01 PM   
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There is no such thing as an impartial media.  They believe they are impartial but all news is filtered through the moors of its society.

Even within a particular society the news is filtered through a political  and or personal view.

If you are in the UK the BBC is impartial... If you are in the US Fox News is impartial, as long as it matched your political view. If you are in the Middle East Al Jazeera is impartial.

Myself I always understand there is another viewpoint or I am lucky to get the full impartial story...so I am not to quick to make a judgement on one source.


Is that really true?

Do you believe that all news sources are tainted?

Just turn on your TV now and flip back and forth between CNN and FOX.

They'll be undoubtedly covering the same stories, but tell me me which one you see as closest to the ideal of objective journalism.




Every single one is tainted... either by the sources they use... or the editors. There is just no way around it. If you or I were to be as impartial as we could be we would still put our bent on the news we were reporting. Just human nature.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:16:05 PM   
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The fact is that the BBC has no outside commercial interests, as it is completely independent from private sponsors - this has ensured it had a rather independent voice for decades, but of course, nobody is perfect. I would like it if you listened to BBC News on the radio one day, and explain to me exactly which segment/commentary/particular piece struck you as bias. My guess is that it will take you a while to come across such a thing.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:18:13 PM   
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The BBC is a great resource for those very reasons.

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