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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:20:19 PM   
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When was the last time you saw an objective "journalist"?



....like most things, objectivity is analogue not digital. When it comes to news organisations it's not a question of which one is objective...it's a question of which one is more objective. Fox has decided that the people who its advertisers want to sell to don't want objectivity, they want partisanship. Fair enough, it's a commercial decision.
The difference between Fox in this regard and the BBC is that the BBC doesn't have advertisers. Therefore it is free to be more objective.

Now you also appear to adhere to the belief that 99% of the media has a liberal bias. Have you considered the possibility that reality may have a liberal bias?

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:22:46 PM   
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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:23:11 PM   
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Damn Merc, you win the prize.

I've never seen anyone that could make a "fast reply" that takes up seven paragraphs.

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Are there truly that many people who formulate their opinions contingent on the source of the information?


Yes.

You can read them on here daily.

Whatever is on Fox News in the morning is parroted almost word for word on here in the afternoon.

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there is no thread regarding the slant of CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, or MSNBC. They hold the #1 position of all cable news networks.


With the exception of MSNBC, which has become the liberal counterpoint to Fox, all these do their best, as far as I see, to be objective and unbiased. 

Sort of like the "fair and balanced" Fox touts but regularly makes a joke of.



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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:25:06 PM   
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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:30:04 PM   
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The fact is that the BBC has no outside commercial interests, as it is completely independent from private sponsors - this has ensured it had a rather independent voice for decades, but of course, nobody is perfect. I would like it if you listened to BBC News on the radio one day, and explain to me exactly which segment/commentary/particular piece struck you as bias. My guess is that it will take you a while to come across such a thing.


They are bias in their views towards the US and other countries at odds with the UK... They present the news in a way that is acceptable to their viewers. Just because a US media looks at a news story in a different way than the BBC does not make either one wrong or right. It just means they are presenting the news from a view point of the UK or the US.

I'll guarantee you that listeners to Al Jazeera think both the BBC and Fox news are not impartial.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:33:51 PM   
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....like most things, objectivity is analogue not digital. When it comes to news organisations it's not a question of which one is objective...it's a question of which one is more objective.


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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:36:17 PM   
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Every single one is tainted... either by the sources they use... or the editors. There is just no way around it. If you or I were to be as impartial as we could be we would still put our bent on the news we were reporting. Just human nature.

Butch


I'll grant you that.

But, seriously, tell me you do not see the difference between a newsperson trying to be objective who may inadvertently inject their personal biases with Fox News which actively encourages their people to inject bias into nearly every story.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:38:36 PM   
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I appreciate there are many who NEED to believe all that, making FOX the cause of the current effect. It must be because a more logical direction for placing blame just isn't palatable.
Either you're delusional, or just plain annoyed that people express the same amount of cynicism towards Fox that you exhibit towards the current administration. I haven't seen anybody 'blame' Fox for the crisis. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that all these buffoons can do is sell lies to a naive (at best) audience - and now that Fox' interests are no longer represented in government, they're having a huge tantrum, that's all.

kittin,
I appreciate your need to have delusions but I have none regarding FOX for the simple reason - I don't watch it.

I'm wondering why the concern or focus. Sorry if you didn't understand that.

There is a hell of lot more direct evidence of tantrum on this tread than any I've seen represented as being FOX originated. However, if they are "lies" best to have them exposed. Shouldn't they be very easy to do so? I mean a lie, like knowing what your signing, should be verifiable. You signed it - your responsible for it - you don't know its in there? A lie - or just a fact that you don't read what you sign? I mean who would consider that such a representation would come from anyone other than a liar or a buffoon?

I'm not delusional about anything. I am enjoying the rationalized and far reaching source for assigning blame. I'm a pragmatist. My opinions are based on conclusions I come to from the facts presented. You see it as cynicism, but neither you, or the Administration that I am very cynical about, have provided me with a plan to consider which would change my cynicism. Rhetoric doesn't count. The numbers just do not work. Whether it's reported  by FOX as a reason for concern, or by NPR as a reason to celebrate doesn't change them. I'll take the numbers and facts from either and draw my own opinion. My leg won't tingle in the process; unless of course, beth's hand is on it when I hear it.

The OP did say this was "shocking". Who's having a tantrum? Far from having a tantrum I'm sure the capitalist interests of FOX are being served by this pronouncement. I'm sure they'd be happy to know that so many people are influenced by them on this site, even if they'd be the first to want to close it down.

Me? I'm just enjoying those tantrums that I see. I don't have to be locked into agreeing with the source just because of who the source is regardless of the content. I don't like any form of prejudice. You should try it.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:39:17 PM   
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When was the last time you saw an objective "journalist"?



....like most things, objectivity is analogue not digital. When it comes to news organisations it's not a question of which one is objective...it's a question of which one is more objective. Fox has decided that the people who its advertisers want to sell to don't want objectivity, they want partisanship. Fair enough, it's a commercial decision.
The difference between Fox in this regard and the BBC is that the BBC doesn't have advertisers. Therefore it is free to be more objective.

Now you also appear to adhere to the belief that 99% of the media has a liberal bias. Have you considered the possibility that reality may have a liberal bias?


Depends. Do you want to throw out assumptions of a normal curve? Perhaps ignore adages of life being harsh and unfair or that fate is a cruel mistress? This is against modern liberalism. I know I prefer thousands of years of experience over modern feel good "think of the children" crap. Then again, I ate a spicy chicken sandwich to see if I could still feel.

A person's perception of reality may be subjective. Reality is not.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:42:47 PM   
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When was the last time you saw an objective "journalist"?



....like most things, objectivity is analogue not digital. When it comes to news organisations it's not a question of which one is objective...it's a question of which one is more objective. Fox has decided that the people who its advertisers want to sell to don't want objectivity, they want partisanship. Fair enough, it's a commercial decision.
The difference between Fox in this regard and the BBC is that the BBC doesn't have advertisers. Therefore it is free to be more objective.

Now you also appear to adhere to the belief that 99% of the media has a liberal bias. Have you considered the possibility that reality may have a liberal bias?


May I ask ...where does the BBC gets it’s financing?

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:45:57 PM   
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From wikipedia( hey Imfeeling lazy today)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC
According to the BBC's 2005–2006 Annual Report,[36] its income can be broken down as follows:
  • £3,100.6 million (£3.1bn) in licence fees collected from householders.
  • £620.0M from BBC Commercial Businesses.
  • £260.2M from the World Service, of which £239.1 m is from grants (primarily funded by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office), £15.8 m from subscriptions, and £5.3M from other sources.
  • £24.2M from other income, such as providing content to overseas broadcasters and concert ticket sales.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:51:14 PM   
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Every single one is tainted... either by the sources they use... or the editors. There is just no way around it. If you or I were to be as impartial as we could be we would still put our bent on the news we were reporting. Just human nature.

Butch


I'll grant you that.

But, seriously, tell me you do not see the difference between a newsperson trying to be objective who may inadvertently inject their personal biases with Fox News which actively encourages their people to inject bias into nearly every story.



I see you injecting your bias without proof or examples of said bias.  When I see it I'll make a judgment...so far I have not seen the bias you talk of.  We can have all the political views we like and still present the facts... Facts are all that is important.

Why does it make a difference in the truth if the facts are presented honestly with a Republican or Democratic viewpoint?  

Butch


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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:55:55 PM   
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THe primary source is from TV licensing
From wikipedia( hey Imfeeling lazy today)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC



I knew the answer I just wanted to hear it from the mouths of others.

Because we all know a news organization funded by a government just can't be bias.  But damn the McDonalds and Wal Marts of this world…all they think of is world domination.

Butch

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 1:59:57 PM   
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Every single one is tainted... either by the sources they use... or the editors. There is just no way around it. If you or I were to be as impartial as we could be we would still put our bent on the news we were reporting. Just human nature.

Butch


I agreed to that.

That was not my point or my question.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 2:07:23 PM   
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The fact is that the BBC has no outside commercial interests, as it is completely independent from private sponsors - this has ensured it had a rather independent voice for decades, but of course, nobody is perfect. I would like it if you listened to BBC News on the radio one day, and explain to me exactly which segment/commentary/particular piece struck you as bias. My guess is that it will take you a while to come across such a thing.


I think what he is trying to say is their is always a subtle bias that many reporters may not even be aware of, just based on their life experiences and overall point of view on certain topics.

Which, as he said, is unavoidable.

What goes on at Fox is blatant and completely avoidable.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 2:13:16 PM   
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As bias is concerned, I think MSNBC is the worst. There is nothing wrong with opposition if there is some substance in it. Fox, CNN, MSNBC are not just news reporting programs but provide news analysis that itself is bias despite "no bias" claims.  I see no reason attacking Fox News; opposition views openly expressed are the signs of healthy society. Nobody wants a chorus of "useful idiots".


They are not supposed to be the source of opposition views.

They are supposed to report the news in an objective manner.

Aside from news commentary programs, the news itself should not be slanted one way or another.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 2:18:34 PM   
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They are bias in their views towards the US and other countries at odds with the UK...



Britain is America's first and most powerful allie, Butch. What you wrote above makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 2:31:01 PM   
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I see you injecting your bias without proof or examples of said bias.  When I see it I'll make a judgment...so far I have not seen the bias you talk of.  We can have all the political views we like and still present the facts... Facts are all that is important.

Why does it make a difference in the truth if the facts are presented honestly with a Republican or Democratic viewpoint?  

Butch



OK, here's an example I've talked about before.

I was watching Fox televise one of  Governor Blagojevich's last live news conferences.

I kept flipping back between CNN and Fox.

CNN aired his speech in its entirety and had editorial comment after.

The Fox News anchor inserted constant voiceovers during his speech calling him a liar and a fraud, among other things.

Now, I'm not a supporter of Blagojevich, but this was more like high school journalism than a professional news network.

I had to double-check to make sure I wasn't watching The Daily Show or SNL.



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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 2:31:06 PM   
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If I watched Fox (only do once in awhile as its better than Saturday Night Live) I could really only compare it to a English/Christian version of Al Jazeera. :)

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RE: Shocking Admission regarding Fox News. - 3/24/2009 2:31:45 PM   
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I don't have to be locked into agreeing with the source just because of who the source is regardless of the content. I don't like any form of prejudice. You should try it.


When's the last time Fox conducted a real independent investigation and innovated with the news again? They make their income from pundits and commentators. In Fox' case, the source matters MORE than the content: Fox' content is tainted by its own brand. I thought that you would have realised that by now, with your business background.

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