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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/26/2009 2:50:47 PM

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Please NO gutting Unicorns, they are extremely rare.

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/26/2009 2:53:38 PM

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Domi,

I see np point in holding furthr discussion with you on this. As i said before if you don't like no limits slaves then fine don't have one. . Obsession eats a person yanno and all i see is an obsession from you on this no limits thing. Every thread you post in mentions them and turns into a discussion on them. Its pretty pathetic to be honest.
This is the end of the line for me in this discussion with you.

No it really doesn't. It shows that many of these people have serious mental issues. Which I think for the majority is not in the least bit surprising. There is a undercurrent of some fairly interesting mental health issues that seem to be rather prevalent out here. I am no more an expert on them than anyone else. I just don't like to see someone to have reached this point out of some horrible event in their past. It unfortunately seems to be the path of far too many that have found this place.

I would love to see the mental profile of the heralded "no limit" sub. I doubt that there is much there that would allow anyone to rejoice.
I imagine that it is the kind of stuff that would make one cringe and weep.

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/26/2009 2:54:02 PM

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Please NO gutting Unicorns, they are extremely rare.

I'll try hun but since i am insane (according to domi) i might not be able to help myself. Oh and if Sir asks which of course he will cos hes always asking me to do crazy stuff like kill people and jump off bridges ill have to do it.

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/26/2009 2:59:21 PM

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I'm going to say one last thing and then i'm going to have to walk away from this as it's not proving to be constructive to continue the conversation.
When i was posting as missturbation you and i domiguy had many a laugh, agreed on many a point and not once did you ever imply i was insane or damaged in any way.
Now as intonguesslut you seem to think i have changed, well newsflash i was a no limits sub when you agreed with me and had a laugh just as i am now.
Go figure!!

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/26/2009 3:20:09 PM

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I'm going to say one last thing and then i'm going to have to walk away from this as it's not proving to be constructive to continue the conversation.
When i was posting as missturbation you and i domiguy had many a laugh, agreed on many a point and not once did you ever imply i was insane or damaged in any way.
Now as intonguesslut you seem to think i have changed, well newsflash i was a no limits sub when you agreed with me and had a laugh just as i am now.
Go figure!!

Still capable of sharing a laugh. Just a conversation twix' two drinking buds. Nothing more nothing less. No ill will. just pointing out some shit that bugs me.

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Had the cream stout,outmeal stout, blueberry stout, smoked stout and their imperial stout. Needless to say, very dark Domidroppings today.

Take care. slut.

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/26/2009 6:15:38 PM

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Intoungesslave and Intoungesslut, I've been in relationships before without limits being explicitly negotiated, but that doesn't mean we didn't have them. It just meant that we were compatible. I personally wouldn't call a relationship "no limits" unless the people in fact didn't have any limits, not just that they had the same ones. *shrug* It's probably just a matter of semantics.

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/26/2009 8:32:25 PM

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It's probably just a matter of semantics.

Unfortunately, it's not always just semantics, Andalusite.

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/27/2009 1:42:12 AM

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if i have to be forced to do anything..then i believe i have embraced the wrong lifestyle.

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/27/2009 2:18:46 AM

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I would love to see the mental profile of the heralded "no limit" sub. I doubt that there is much there that would allow anyone to rejoice.
I imagine that it is the kind of stuff that would make one cringe and weep. domiguy.

i suspect youd find lots of different people with lots of different findings:

me - i dont think youd find anything too crazy there, im the daughter of a doctor, grew up in a big country house had my own pony, went sailing with my dad. took a degree in podiatric medicine, run my own business, had a few great relationships with men a few crap ones, lived abroad in france and hong kong, have a 12 year old boy who is well adjusted and happy doing well at school, have a horse, live in the country have lots of great friends. if i was a screw up i doubt id be the success i am today.

i just trust the man who is my Master and i know he wont push me faster than i can go. i have no limits with him because i dont need them, he is sane, caring and genuine.

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/27/2009 2:21:26 AM

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giggles at maria....

- need to write to you, need some advice on laminitis

- ill drop you a line later xxx

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/27/2009 2:37:02 AM

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It's probably just a matter of semantics.

Unfortunately, it's not always just semantics, Andalusite.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_667112/mpage_1/tm.htm

While I tossed my hat into this sea of hats already, I'll support the semantic argument again. We can only approximate. There's a simple test. "Will you murder an unmentionable, eat its heart, and wear it's skin like clothing if told to?" If "no", you are sane, and have limits. If "yes" GTFO.

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/27/2009 4:18:18 AM

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*shrug* It's probably just a matter of semantics.

While an unpopular position, I try to be Anti-Semantic but alas I cannot be in response to the original post.

There is a subtle difference between "force" and "against my will."

I have a cat. I do not wish or desire to clean the litterbox. Master does not pull out the Mossberg to threaten violence against me in order for me to clean the litterbox. I am not forced to clean it but I do it against my will. I do not desire to clean a litterbox and if I didn't have a cat, I would not seek out other cat owners and beg to clean theirs! Domiguy is right...I am complicit in this because I chose to have an indoor cat. My bad. CatdeMedici is right, there is no physical force involved. InTonguesslut is right however as there is the effacious power aspect in that if I did not just do it, the cat would forsake the litterbox in favor of the light beige carpeting and that outcome would be far worse than just cleaning the damn litterbox.

Hopefully, once we remove the emotionally charged arguments in favor of something a bit more banal, we can see the validity of each of the opinions offered in this thread.

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RE: The Discussion of "forced against your will" - 3/27/2009 8:45:42 AM

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RedMagic, I agree that *that* form of no limits is a horrible idea. By "semantics," I meant that I think that calling a relationship "No limits" when you actually mean "We are compatible/have the same limits/trust the other person to be honorable and not expect me to do anything that would damage me or others" doesn't seem like an accurate description, in my opinion. It doesn't bother me if other people want to call it that, or call it anything else, for that matter, as long as everyone involved in the relationship in question is on the same page.

It's kind of like the 24/7 thing - if I were in a D/s relationship with someone, I would always be their Domme, or always be their submissive, just like I'd always be their girlfriend. That doesn't mean I submit to or dominate them in my sleep, and I might even sometimes be too exhausted to do something they want from me. So, I think that label is better left to Denny's and gas stations., but it doesn't bother me if other people choose to use it.

Heck, I could even be in one/call it that myself, as long as the specifics of what my partner wanted were in line with what I need in a relationship.

Eyesopened, that's exactly it. It's not so much that my partner is forcing me to do something against my will, it's that I dislike it, so I have to force *MYSELF* to do it, even when it's difficult, as long as I can handle it. I just think that is very different from the kind of "forced" play mentioned in the OP, which I agree is a humiliation/verbal degradation scene request or game, rather than the person actually not wanting to do the activity in question (since they are begging for it to be done to them).

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