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RE: fire cupping - 3/25/2009 9:12:23 PM   
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I was wondering about this, is there any reason to use these instead of vacuum cups?



Because playing with fire is fun?

I love firecupping.  It's really not that hard beyond basic hand/eye coordination.  The only problem I had in the begin was excess alcohol from getting a little too excited with the wand and alcohol.  Once you practice a little, you get a feel for  how to control the suction of the cups.  I found these amazing glass cups with really thin edges.  I've never had one break, but you get more of a cutting into the skin feeling with them.  What you need for fire cupping is...some common sense and a craft store.



The boyfriend went to a seminar a while ago that gave him some examples of little candle holders you could get at a craft store- the basic size and shape that work best.  This simply re-enforces our idea that the hardware store and the craft store are the BEST toy shops in town

After trying it this one time I do think it's something I'd like to try again and it seems I'm not the only one.


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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 3:14:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		We have some of those dry suction cups but they tend to stay away in the cupboard.

What I would like to know is... how do you get the glass cups to stick firmly onto the skin? mine fall off after about 20 seconds

Once on the skin and lets presume they are doing there job, how long would you safely leave them on for?

The ones I have are thick glass with little nodules on the top. Someone once gave me these tiny Chinese pyramid burners and said that they are meant to be used on the nodules in the glass. I have tried this and nothing happens but then perhaps its because Im not getting a true suction. Has anyone else had experience with these Chinese pyramid burners ?


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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 3:43:39 AM   
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uhhh no.  Reminds me of ppl that check for gas leaks with a propane torch...Yes really! One mistake and your a goner.  Not worth the risk in my book.  Anything that involves someone standing by with a fire extinguisher is not my idea of fun.

And don't tell me how safe it is.  2 of my brothers are fire men and have seen more stupid shit than you can imagine.

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I'm reasonably sure no one has exploded violently from firecupping yet.



WOW REALLY?  I am reasonably sure more that one house has caught on fire because some moron failed to stop and think  Having a open flame, fuel, and me is not something I want to be a part of.

I am not saying don't do it.  If your going to do it at least be smart about it.

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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 4:47:55 AM   
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uhhh no.  Reminds me of ppl that check for gas leaks with a propane torch...Yes really! One mistake and your a goner.  Not worth the risk in my book.  Anything that involves someone standing by with a fire extinguisher is not my idea of fun.

And don't tell me how safe it is.  2 of my brothers are fire men and have seen more stupid shit than you can imagine.

BadOne



I'm reasonably sure no one has exploded violently from firecupping yet.



WOW REALLY?  I am reasonably sure more that one house has caught on fire because some moron failed to stop and think  Having a open flame, fuel, and me is not something I want to be a part of.

I am not saying don't do it.  If your going to do it at least be smart about it.

BadOne


In that case we shouldn't have birthday candles, burn incense or re-lite the gas boiler if the pilot goes out!!!
Most adults can safely play with matches.




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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 5:05:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello all...Ive not heard of fire cupping but after reading through the thread I will look it up as heavenskeeper suggested, on utube.  It does sound like what my gran used to use on my grandad for his bad back though.  She had these glass suction cups and would rub 'Zivaneer' (like pucheen or moonshine, it gives off a blue flame when lit) all over his back then place the cups onto his back for a while.  I remember the popping sound as she removed them and the little red circles they would leave.

I'm guess what your talking about is slightly different though?

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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 5:21:19 AM   
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Hello all...Ive not heard of fire cupping but after reading through the thread I will look it up as heavenskeeper suggested, on utube.  It does sound like what my gran used to use on my grandad for his bad back though.  She had these glass suction cups and would rub 'Zivaneer' (like pucheen or moonshine, it gives off a blue flame when lit) all over his back then place the cups onto his back for a while.  I remember the popping sound as she removed them and the little red circles they would leave.

I'm guess what your talking about is slightly different though?



Nope... its the same thing

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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 5:44:20 AM   
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In that case we shouldn't have birthday candles, burn incense or re-lite the gas boiler if the pilot goes out!!!
Most adults can safely play with matches.





NO I am not going to pour kerosene, alcohol, nor gas Maltov cocktail comes to mind <on your so called candle> lite it and wait for the fun to start.  Ya see the gas boiler is "designed" to be set on fire.  The human body not so much.

Who knew I would have to explain the dif bet burning incense and the hazard of accidentally  spilling alcohol near a open flame to a adult.


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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 5:47:24 AM   
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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 9:53:23 AM   
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I'll keep that in mind, in case I ever decide to use a propane bottle in my fireplay. 


well there is one kind of play thats done with a propane torch and disecting needles where you pop the top layer of skin cells......but you only need a small torch, not the big kind you use for bbq......

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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 10:18:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you Allthatjaz

I can see how it could be fun, scary for the 1st timer too. ;o)

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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 10:45:14 AM   
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In that case we shouldn't have birthday candles, burn incense or re-lite the gas boiler if the pilot goes out!!!
Most adults can safely play with matches.





NO I am not going to pour kerosene, alcohol, nor gas Maltov cocktail comes to mind <on your so called candle> lite it and wait for the fun to start.  Ya see the gas boiler is "designed" to be set on fire.  The human body not so much.

Who knew I would have to explain the dif bet burning incense and the hazard of accidentally  spilling alcohol near a open flame to a adult.




Ah but then its an adult learning thing Sailingbum! if your not capable of learning how to do this safely then don't

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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 11:35:30 AM   
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We have some of those dry suction cups but they tend to stay away in the cupboard.

What I would like to know is... how do you get the glass cups to stick firmly onto the skin? mine fall off after about 20 seconds

Once on the skin and lets presume they are doing there job, how long would you safely leave them on for?

The ones I have are thick glass with little nodules on the top. Someone once gave me these tiny Chinese pyramid burners and said that they are meant to be used on the nodules in the glass. I have tried this and nothing happens but then perhaps its because Im not getting a true suction. Has anyone else had experience with these Chinese pyramid burners ?



In my experience, it depends on the length of time between lighting the alcohol and pressing the cup to the skin.  I hold the cup relatively close to the area I'm cupping, put the firewand in there quickly, and press it to the skin immediately.  I've had cups stay on for up to 45 minutes, but I was not moving them around.  I've never really let them stay on until they fall off on their own.


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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 1:58:36 PM   
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Has anyone tried fire cupping as part of their play?  I tried it for the first time last night and found it to be an interesting and soothing addition to our playtime.  If you've tried, what have your experiences been like?


LadyPact gave a demo on how to do firecupping on a budget a while back that I attended + playtime afterwards, I'm sure she'll jump in here.  I've just done it then and 2 other times with my spouse at home, giving and receiving... I find receiving soooo relaxing.  Giving, I'm high strung trying not to hurt the other person, but not unpleasantly.  It's fun, I'm just a worrier always about everything lol.


Hi Rumpus.  Thanks for the mention.  I'm glad you two are enjoying this kind of play.  I always love it when people walk away from a demo of Mine and are able to have fun from whatever subject was covered.  That's always the best reward for anyone presenting,  I really appreciate your comment.

I'm not going to get into the debate of how dangerous fire cupping is or isn't.  I would say the type of play, like any type of play, should be done knowing what can happen.  That's just good common sense.

While I'm on the subject, no, I'm not going to encourage anyone to try to learn this kind of play over the net.  What might look cool on youtube doesn't come close to the kind of instruction that you can get in person.  I'm not going to say that whoever put up their video doesn't know what they are doing, but you can't exactly ask questions or get feedback.  If it's an interest of yours and you've never tried it, please, please, find a demo in your area. 

With that out of the way, I happen to love fire cupping.  Since folks have pretty much already spoken to the relaxing effect it can have for the bottom, I'll add in My comments from the top side.  While it relaxes the bottom a great deal and the appreciation for that is very influencing for the top, I'd have to say that My thrill of it comes from the excitement of what you can actually make happen.  Kind of like your own personal little science experiment gone right.  It's amazing how much hold you can get from the cups with just the right balance.  I also get such a kick out of how strong the seal can really be when taking the cups off.  For some reason, it just tickles Me.

By the way, there are methods of fire cupping that can be done with the fire never actually being on the bottom's skin.  Also, there's no need to spend a ton of money on expensive sets.  Anyone can start out doing this kind of play for about $20.00.




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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 2:11:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for that info June. Personally I wait for the cups to fall off but in my case that normally takes about 2 seconds

Thanks Lady Pact... I have to admit to being very envious of your skill.

I just wanted to pick up on your final paragraph about the fire not having to be on the bottoms skin.
When I was shown by the Chinese lady, she put the fire taper inside the cup for about 3 seconds before putting it on her skin. She never at any time put the flame to her skin. Perhaps I'm doing this the difficult way ?

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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 2:33:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		yes i have been the recipient of the fire cupping and it does have a very relaxing effect, it can be done with just the vacuum cups but the fire part  is so much more fun. the physics of doing it is the same cause the air in the cup to heat up and become lower in density then when the cup is placed on the skin it cools and condenses and pulls the skin in to the cup. the way my M'Lady uses it is a bottle cap with a cotton ball soaked in alcohol. the cap is placed on the skin and the cotton lit then the cup is placed over the cap and when the air is used up it goes out and the cup sucks to the skin. it helps to have the skin oiled down to get a better suction and to allow the cup to be slid over the skin. this is just fun to do and it has a wonderful feeing to the one receiving it.

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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 6:23:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The time when I did it, he used what looked like a long metal q-tip with the cotton on the end, with wire wrapped around it, and dipped it in oil. He held it under the cup for a few seconds, and pulled it out just before making the vaccum seal, rather than lighting my skin on fire. I agree with Lady Pact that fireplay (including fire cupping) is not a good idea to explore on your own, or from videos. I'd suggest a hands-on class, or getting an experienced person to show you and your partner how to do it.

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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 6:32:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hm, I've never seen it done in such a way that the flame is on the bottom's skin.

The using candles looks pretty, but it doesn't give me the suction I like.


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RE: fire cupping - 3/26/2009 11:53:29 PM   
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Thanks for that info June. Personally I wait for the cups to fall off but in my case that normally takes about 2 seconds

Thanks Lady Pact... I have to admit to being very envious of your skill.

I just wanted to pick up on your final paragraph about the fire not having to be on the bottoms skin.
When I was shown by the Chinese lady, she put the fire taper inside the cup for about 3 seconds before putting it on her skin. She never at any time put the flame to her skin. Perhaps I'm doing this the difficult way ?


You have a private email with some hints and pictures of the work.  I hope it will help.  If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.


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RE: fire cupping - 3/27/2009 12:56:23 AM   
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Thanks for that info June. Personally I wait for the cups to fall off but in my case that normally takes about 2 seconds

Thanks Lady Pact... I have to admit to being very envious of your skill.

I just wanted to pick up on your final paragraph about the fire not having to be on the bottoms skin.
When I was shown by the Chinese lady, she put the fire taper inside the cup for about 3 seconds before putting it on her skin. She never at any time put the flame to her skin. Perhaps I'm doing this the difficult way ?


You have a private email with some hints and pictures of the work.  I hope it will help.  If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.



Really appreciated ... thank you


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RE: fire cupping - 3/27/2009 9:37:29 AM   
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