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rulemylife -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 3:45:49 PM)

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rulemylife -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 3:48:59 PM)

Well, I don't know, but is news reporting and news commentary something we should have to decipher as if it were a magician's  show?




rulemylife -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 3:57:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Oh and I still don't see any sign that anyone is obsessing over KO,


Uhhhhhh, ok.

How about the thread you're posting on for one.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:20:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Oh and I still don't see any sign that anyone is obsessing over KO,


Uhhhhhh, ok.

How about the thread you're posting on for one.



Hmmm, check this out:

Limbaugh topics: 8 threads

Olbermann topics: 12 threads

Gee, maybe you're right?

Nah, a little deeper analysis

Limbaugh threads started by "non-conservatives": 7
Olbermann threads started by "non-conservatives": 7
Total: 14 threads
Thread starters:  rulemylife, Owner59, Owner59, DedicatedDom40, SuzanneKneeling, Owner59, juliaoceania, stef, subtee, SugarMyChurro, Owner59, SugarMyChurro, farglebargle, farglebargle

Limbaugh threads started by "non-liberals": 1
Olbermann threads started by "non-liberals": 5
Total: 6 threads

Thread starters: corysub, Firmhand (this thread, btw), Sanity, Level, Chaingang, MasterRenegade77


You can argue with my analysis of "non-conservative" and "non-liberal" if you want.  The trend, however is clear.  "Generally liberal posters" start threads about political entertainers more than 2:1 than "generally conservative posters".

hmmm, who is obsessing on these issues?  [:D]

Firm

PS.  Just a little whimsy research.  Knock off the "obsessing with" charade in an attempt to deflect attention and discussion on the subject.




rulemylife -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:21:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

You left out the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any population in history.

Exploitation my ass. Put down your copy of Das Kapital and get in the 21st century.



Based on World Bank Development Indicators published in July 2006, here are the 10 richest countries in the world. GNP per capita for each country is shown in US dollars. Ten Richest Countries (based on 2004 GNP per capita in US$)
  1. Luxembourg ... $56,380
  2. Norway ... $51,810
  3. Switzerland ... $49,600
  4. United States ... $41,440
 "World's Richest Countries: Luxembourg, Norway & Switzerland Lead Top Ten GNP Nations" - http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/world_s_richest_countries#ixzz0BNNz27NG








FirmhandKY -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:36:05 PM)


What happens to your stats if you take out all the illegal immigrants to the US?  [8D][:)]

Firm




rulemylife -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:38:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

PS.  Just a little whimsy research.  Knock off the "obsessing with" charade in an attempt to deflect attention and discussion on the subject.


If you skip back up a couple posts you'll see I wasn't obsessing on anything, only disputing someone's view that all liberals were obsessed with slamming Rush.

And if you you scroll up a little further you will see that I don't really care for Olbermann either.

But you insist on making this an "us against them" argument.




rulemylife -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:41:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


What happens to your stats if you take out all the illegal immigrants to the US?  [8D][:)]

Firm



Well gee Firm, correct me if I'm wrong, but illegal immigrants don't report their income, so that's not included in the statistics.




Cagey18 -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:42:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

You left out the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any population in history.

Exploitation my ass. Put down your copy of Das Kapital and get in the 21st century.



Based on World Bank Development Indicators published in July 2006, here are the 10 richest countries in the world. GNP per capita for each country is shown in US dollars. Ten Richest Countries (based on 2004 GNP per capita in US$)
  1. Luxembourg ... $56,380
  2. Norway ... $51,810
  3. Switzerland ... $49,600
  4. United States ... $41,440
 "World's Richest Countries: Luxembourg, Norway & Switzerland Lead Top Ten GNP Nations" - http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/world_s_richest_countries#ixzz0BNNz27NG


Nice work rule.  Damn I love the smell of pwnage in the morning.




Or evening for that matter...






TreasureKY -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:46:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

You left out the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any population in history.

Exploitation my ass. Put down your copy of Das Kapital and get in the 21st century.



Based on World Bank Development Indicators published in July 2006, here are the 10 richest countries in the world. GNP per capita for each country is shown in US dollars. Ten Richest Countries (based on 2004 GNP per capita in US$)
  1. Luxembourg ... $56,380
  2. Norway ... $51,810
  3. Switzerland ... $49,600
  4. United States ... $41,440
 "World's Richest Countries: Luxembourg, Norway & Switzerland Lead Top Ten GNP Nations" - http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/world_s_richest_countries#ixzz0BNNz27NG


Hmmm... Standard of living sometimes takes into consideration factors in addition to GNP.

Standard of living: degree of prosperity in a nation, as measured by income levels, quality of housing and food, medical care, educational opportunities, transportation, communications, and other measures. The standard of living in different countries is frequently compared based on annual per capita income. On an individual level, the standard of living is a measure of the quality of life in such areas as housing, food, education, clothing, transportation, and employment opportunities.

I wouldn't offhandedly rule out CruelNUnusual's comment as invalid.  While comparing countries outright, the GNP may show the US as having only the fourth highest SoL in the world, I suspect that it is the individuals within those countries that make up the spirit of CNU's statement.




TreasureKY -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:52:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


What happens to your stats if you take out all the illegal immigrants to the US?  [8D][:)]

Firm



Well gee Firm, correct me if I'm wrong, but illegal immigrants don't report their income, so that's not included in the statistics.



Ooooo... I'll correct you.  Yes, they often do.  [:D]

Tax Returns Rise for Immigrants in U.S. Illegally

Illegal Immigrants File Tax Returns with the IRS

Illegal Immigrants, Our Low-Income Taxpayers





CruelNUnsual -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:56:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Factual propaganda, yes. You ought to look up the league table of countries with the highest standards of living on the planet: the U.S. are quite far behind. For some, it's all subjective, however, and some people actually enjoy no healthcare and crappy infrastructures. Check out this link: it's very subjective. You might enjoy it :-) . http://www.internationalliving.com/Internal-Components/Further-Resources/qofl2009


I enjoyed it quite a bit. The US is "quite far behind" in 3rd, 2 points behind <cough cough> France. As you note, these things are quite subjective. Lets look at two of the areas where France is supposedly ahead of the US. "Culture & Leisure" - .7 contribution to the final difference.  I wouldn't take the French culture over the US if you paid me.  "Economy"  - .75 contribution to the final difference. Guess what...its a 2009 measurement, with the US economy at its nadir. And guess what areas lag the US economy...Western Europe. That .75 will reverse by next year.  Just with those two changes the US moves into the first position.

Now look at the whopping difference in health care...another 2 points to the final score. Unfortunately there are a few universal problems with health care comparisons. The main one is that they dont include the value of time off from work. If you're out of work for 6 months waiting for a knee replacement, even if recovery times are the same (which they arent, they are significantly longer where non-invasive techniques are not predominant), that 6 months of lost productivity is not accounted for in health care costs. Another one is that they use both "life expectancy" and "infant mortality". They are redundant. Yes infant mortality is higher in the US..why? Far more at risk pregnancies. That isnt a problem of the health care system, thats a problem with the chosen life style of the individual. But even disregarding that, if you measure life expectancies from age 3 onward, ie after adjusting for the higher infant mortality rate, the US is number one. They also use "calories consumption". WTF does that have to do with health care? Again its a lifestyle choice.

So yes, thank you for confirming that based on more accurate figures the US is leads, as I said.




rulemylife -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:57:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

Hmmm... Standard of living sometimes takes into consideration factors in addition to GNP.

Standard of living: degree of prosperity in a nation, as measured by income levels, quality of housing and food, medical care, educational opportunities, transportation, communications, and other measures. The standard of living in different countries is frequently compared based on annual per capita income. On an individual level, the standard of living is a measure of the quality of life in such areas as housing, food, education, clothing, transportation, and employment opportunities.

I wouldn't offhandedly rule out CruelNUnusual's comment as invalid.  While comparing countries outright, the GNP may show the US as having only the fourth highest SoL in the world, I suspect that it is the individuals within those countries that make up the spirit of CNU's statement.



I agree wholeheartedly with the first paragraphs, but I've posted links before that by any measurement we no longer have the highest standard of living.

I can look those up if you doubt it, but I'm getting lazy right now.

I don't really understand what you meant in the last paragraph about individuals making up the spirit of his statement.




CruelNUnsual -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 4:58:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cagey18

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

You left out the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any population in history.

Exploitation my ass. Put down your copy of Das Kapital and get in the 21st century.



Based on World Bank Development Indicators published in July 2006, here are the 10 richest countries in the world. GNP per capita for each country is shown in US dollars. Ten Richest Countries (based on 2004 GNP per capita in US$)
  1. Luxembourg ... $56,380
  2. Norway ... $51,810
  3. Switzerland ... $49,600
  4. United States ... $41,440

"World's Richest Countries: Luxembourg, Norway & Switzerland Lead Top Ten GNP Nations" - http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/world_s_richest_countries#ixzz0BNNz27NG


Nice work rule.  Damn I love the smell of pwnage in the morning.




Or evening for that matter...





Read on. There is no "ownage" (disregarding the puerile p).




rulemylife -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 5:08:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

Ooooo... I'll correct you.  Yes, they often do.  [:D]

Tax Returns Rise for Immigrants in U.S. Illegally

Illegal Immigrants File Tax Returns with the IRS

Illegal Immigrants, Our Low-Income Taxpayers




Yeah, that's kind of amazing.

I stand corrected.

Hard to believe they would risk being found by immigration by doing that.




TreasureKY -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 5:13:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

Hmmm... Standard of living sometimes takes into consideration factors in addition to GNP.

Standard of living: degree of prosperity in a nation, as measured by income levels, quality of housing and food, medical care, educational opportunities, transportation, communications, and other measures. The standard of living in different countries is frequently compared based on annual per capita income. On an individual level, the standard of living is a measure of the quality of life in such areas as housing, food, education, clothing, transportation, and employment opportunities.

I wouldn't offhandedly rule out CruelNUnusual's comment as invalid.  While comparing countries outright, the GNP may show the US as having only the fourth highest SoL in the world, I suspect that it is the individuals within those countries that make up the spirit of CNU's statement.



I agree wholeheartedly with the first paragraphs, but I've posted links before that by any measurement we no longer have the highest standard of living.

I can look those up if you doubt it, but I'm getting lazy right now.

I don't really understand what you meant in the last paragraph about individuals making up the spirit of his statement.


Sorry... even Firm said I wasn't very clear.  Allow me to break down the definition I provided and perhaps that will help illustrate my point.

The standard of living in different countries is frequently compared based on annual per capita income.

You provided statistics which compared SoL of different countries based solely on GNP.

As the definition states, this is an accurate way to compare countries across the board.

On an individual level, the standard of living is a measure of the quality of life in such areas as housing, food, education, clothing, transportation, and employment opportunities.

However technically accurate the comparison of countries is based on GNP, when it comes to comparing individuals, much more than GNP is taken into consideration.

My inclination was to accept that CNU's comment was with regard to individuals and not strictly the countries.  I'd have to see widespread proof that Luxembourg, Norway & Switzerland all have higher standards in housing, food, education, clothing, transportation, and employment opportunities than the US, before I'd believe that they've overtaken the US in overall standard of living.

From the very article you quoted:

GNP per capita only counts consumption that can be measured in money. Therefore GNP statistics cannot capture the true quality of life in a country, nor do they necessarily define the best nations in the world. GNP per capita does tell a general story about a country's overall wealth - one that should be taken with a grain of salt and without stereotyping the living standard for all citizens.




subfever -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 5:26:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Well, I don't know, but is news reporting and news commentary something we should have to decipher as if it were a magician's  show?


Actual news reporting is objective. Unfortunately, as time goes on, we see less and less of this.

I personally don't see any point in trying to decipher news commentary. It's entertainment at best, and indoctrination at worst. Fortunately, as time goes on, I watch less and less of it.




kittinSol -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 5:35:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cagey18

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

You left out the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any population in history.

Exploitation my ass. Put down your copy of Das Kapital and get in the 21st century.



Based on World Bank Development Indicators published in July 2006, here are the 10 richest countries in the world. GNP per capita for each country is shown in US dollars. Ten Richest Countries (based on 2004 GNP per capita in US$)
  1. Luxembourg ... $56,380
  2. Norway ... $51,810
  3. Switzerland ... $49,600
  4. United States ... $41,440

"World's Richest Countries: Luxembourg, Norway & Switzerland Lead Top Ten GNP Nations" - http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/world_s_richest_countries#ixzz0BNNz27NG


Nice work rule.  Damn I love the smell of pwnage in the morning.




Or evening for that matter...





Plus remember that gross national product per capita isn't the sole factor in calculating standard of living. There's... healthcare, education, polution levels, and a host of other things... Yep. Ownage.




MasterShake69 -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 8:45:22 PM)

i think it was put with a question mark "did Obama attend a Muslim Medrassa?"

hmmm it would seem the INFO came from the HILLARY CAMPAIGN attack about Obama and foxnews repeated the attack..  So are you mad at HILLARY????

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245582,00.html
Hillary Clinton Drops Madrassa Bomb on Barack Obama Monday, January 22, 2007 This is a partial transcript of "The Big Story With John Gibson," January 19, 2007, that has been edited for clarity. JOHN GIBSON, HOST: The gloves are off: Hillary Clinton is reported to be already digging up the dirt on Barack Obama. The New York senator has reportedly outed Obama's madrassa past. That's right, the Clinton team is reported to have pulled out all the stops to reveal something Obama would rather you didn't know: that he was educated in a Muslim madrassa. I was criticized on this show for outing Obama as a smoker, but look at what some anti-Obama Democrats are doing to her political rival now. They are playing the Muslim phobia card. Is this just the beginning? Is the Obama honeymoon officially over? What other dirty little secrets will come out as they battle it out in the race for the White House?


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ORIGINAL: KaineD

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

making what facts up???


Fox news have told many lies.

Saying that Obama attended a Muslim medrassa and misquoating his cousin to make it seem like he said Obama is Muslim, when he said nothing like that.  Those are just two examples.




MasterShake69 -> RE: Keith Olbermann and the Twitter mess ... (3/31/2009 8:47:55 PM)

please find a quote of Rushs that i have ever repeated??

Usually i find my opinions are out first and rush might then later copy them ;)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

You're funny, boi... your cricicism seems to only go one way, but if you were intellectually honest, you would equally criticize the OP for this thread, as well as the many people who love Limbaugh & Co. and who, in fact, spend their entire lives quoting them ad nauseam on forum boards and internet blogs. But you only seem to be appalled by the libewals. Stwange, dat.




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