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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:15:47 PM   
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It depends on what you mean by a "right". I am (and assume that those who maintain that health care is a right are) referring to it in terms of something intrinsic and external to a given societies rules. Voting by women, men, or chimpanzees is only a "right" because a given society says it is or isnt so.  Health care may well become a societal right, that doesnt make it a "universal" right.


.....ok, what in your opinion consitutes a universal right? Can you give an example?

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:22:13 PM   
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wanted to put a whole row of that clapping smiley thing....but shit it's not happening,so le tme just say Annye
Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap..well you get the idea.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:22:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

It depends on what you mean by a "right". I am (and assume that those who maintain that health care is a right are) referring to it in terms of something intrinsic and external to a given societies rules. Voting by women, men, or chimpanzees is only a "right" because a given society says it is or isnt so.  Health care may well become a societal right, that doesnt make it a "universal" right.


.....ok, what in your opinion consitutes a universal right? Can you give an example?


No, because there are none.

There are universal laws, though they generally fall into the category of survival of the fittest.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:28:32 PM   
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and letting people die if some government beaurocrat thinks their care will be too costly. If more people accepted that reality they wouldnt be so enthusiastic about "free" medical care.




Today, the ownership class pretty much makes the determination of who lives and dies, primarily based on who is the cheapest employee. Seriously, you are worried about the government doing the same thing that the ownership class does today?

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:44:56 PM   
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Damm this lap top,I'm trying to get the "more smileys page" up...but it just keeps failing.
wanted to put a whole row of that clapping smiley thing....but shit it's not happening,so le tme just say Annye
Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap,Clap..well you get the idea.


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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:47:00 PM   
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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:50:23 PM   
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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:51:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

It depends on what you mean by a "right". I am (and assume that those who maintain that health care is a right are) referring to it in terms of something intrinsic and external to a given societies rules. Voting by women, men, or chimpanzees is only a "right" because a given society says it is or isnt so.  Health care may well become a societal right, that doesnt make it a "universal" right.


.....ok, what in your opinion consitutes a universal right? Can you give an example?


No, because there are none.

There are universal laws, though they generally fall into the category of survival of the fittest.



....figured you'd say that. Which means, in your terms, the only rights are societal rights and there is no point in making a distinction between societal rights and universal ones.
Therefore, a right to health care.....if passed into law by US government...becomes a real right, just like the right to vote, right to free speech etc.......

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:52:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Second  that, how easy, how brilliant, how taking candy from a fundmanetalist nascar loving moose shooting baby would that be? Run Sarah Run .

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:57:12 PM   
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I see nothing to apologize for, and I answered the second question already.


This was predictable, but you know that even Lee Atwater recanted on his deathbed, devoured by remorse?

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 2:57:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nah,Palin running as the Republican candidate can in no way be a good thing.Sure that ticket loses,but the rift continues to widen...do we really need more of that?

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 3:12:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual
and letting people die if some government beaurocrat thinks their care will be too costly. If more people accepted that reality they wouldnt be so enthusiastic about "free" medical care.




Today, the ownership class pretty much makes the determination of who lives and dies, primarily based on who is the cheapest employee. Seriously, you are worried about the government doing the same thing that the ownership class does today?


ownership class? lmao

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 3:19:37 PM   
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She sank it for the Reps this election: she would do it again, if she were nominated.

She put more excitement and drew more activity to the Republican party base than anything else that happened during the election.

McCain was his own disaster.


No rewriting history Firm.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/index.html?iref=24hours

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 3:21:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm with Domiguy. Please, Sarah, run! Run like the wind! Talk up all those gosh darn great family values like creationisim, book burning, hunting wildlife from a helicopter (think the opening scenes of John Carpenter's "The Thing") Tina Fey needs the part time job, damnit!

And then, just to be sure, we need to run some other nutcase conservative as a third party candidate. A "spoiler" that will draw from the GOP side... is Pat Buchanan willing to run again?

After having just routed this coven of vampires, I'm firmly of the belief that we need to ram the stake in hard, sew their mouths up tight areound the garlic, decapitate them, burn the bodies, and bury the remains face down at the crossroads. We came far, far too close to "King Bush I" this last time around. So, please, let the GOP run as many clown candidates as they can.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 3:28:14 PM   
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She sank it for the Reps this election: she would do it again, if she were nominated.

She put more excitement and drew more activity to the Republican party base than anything else that happened during the election.

McCain was his own disaster.


No rewriting history Firm.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/index.html?iref=24hours



Well, hey, the Republican base are the most important people in the world after all  .

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 3:44:10 PM   
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She sank it for the Reps this election: she would do it again, if she were nominated.

She put more excitement and drew more activity to the Republican party base than anything else that happened during the election.

McCain was his own disaster.


No rewriting history Firm.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/index.html?iref=24hours


Damn, Ken, after we were so simpatico in the "Gaza" thread ....

You need to read my shit closer as well:

more excitement and drew more activity to the Republican party base

Firm

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 3:52:17 PM   
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Well, hey, the Republican base are the most important people in the world after all  .


Well, yeah, if you want the Republican nomination. duhhh.

Firm

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 3:58:56 PM   
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ownership class? lmao


Sure.  We have a private system where eligibility is primarily keyed off of employment status. The owners of those businesses decide who works for them, and by extension, who is offered coverage under their group plan.  If you dont have a job, you certainly cannot afford health coverage on your own.  Yes, the business owner class is currently playing the same role of 'decider' that you walk around in such fear of the government doing.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 4:08:19 PM   
CruelNUnsual


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ownership class? lmao


Sure.  We have a private system where eligibility is primarily keyed off of employment status. The owners of those businesses decide who works for them, and by extension, who is offered coverage under their group plan.  If you dont have a job, you certainly cannot afford health coverage on your own.  Yes, the business owner class is currently playing the same role of 'decider' that you walk around in such fear of the government doing.



Sorry, either I misinterpreted or you misused "class". The use of "class" in common political discourse generally refers to a group that is defined and closed. The "ownership class" as you describe it far from that. It is open to all with the drive, ingenuity and desire to become part of it.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 5:23:47 PM   
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Well, hey, the Republican base are the most important people in the world after all  .


Well, yeah, if you want the Republican nomination. duhhh.

Firm


But not if you want to win the national election. Duuuhh.

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