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MasterShake69 -> Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 2:37:22 AM)
I wonder if the police will bust people for selling cascade???...lol. I got 100% pure cascade ..lol hmmm and do liberals measure the harm to the environment caused by the additional fuel wasted by people driving out of state to bring back home detergent. ;) http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Bootleg_Detergent.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab Spokane residents smuggle suds over green brands By NICHOLAS K. GERANIOS Associated Press Writer SPOKANE, Wash. — The quest for squeaky-clean dishes has turned some law-abiding people in Spokane into dishwater-detergent smugglers. They are bringing Cascade or Electrasol in from out of state because the eco-friendly varieties required under Washington state law don't work as well. Spokane County became the launch pad last July for the nation's strictest ban on dishwasher detergent made with phosphates, a measure aimed at reducing water pollution. The ban will be expanded statewide in July 2010, the same time similar laws take effect in several other states. But it's not easy to get sparkling dishes when you go green. Many people were shocked to find that products like Seventh Generation, Ecover and Trader Joe's left their dishes encrusted with food, smeared with grease and too gross to use without rewashing them by hand. The culprit was hard water, which is mineral-rich and resistant to soap. As a result, there has been a quiet rush of Spokane-area shoppers heading east on Interstate 90 into Idaho in search of old-school suds. Real estate agent Patti Marcotte of Spokane stocks up on detergent at a Costco in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and doesn't care who knows it.

KaineD -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 3:39:25 AM)
I like how being eco-friendly is a liberal agenda in your world.

Sanity -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 3:53:48 AM)
The story isn't about "eco friendly" people, it's about eco Nazi people. There is a difference... although some may not be capable of making that distinction, for whatever reason. And yeah, that is a part of the Liberal agenda. The people in Spokane county by law can't buy the type of dishwasher detergent that works locally, and so they've been driving to Idaho to buy the kind (by the case) that actually takes the grease off their dishes.

KaineD -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 4:09:23 AM)
Why is it a liberal agenda? Are liberals the only people affected by the environment?

kittinSol -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 5:13:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KaineD Why is it a liberal agenda? Are liberals the only people affected by the environment? It's so sad [&o] ...

kittinSol -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 5:30:03 AM)
"Among other states that have banned or are banning phosphates in dishwasher detergent are Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Michigan, Vermont, Minnesota, Illinois, Massachusetts and New York. A bill on Capitol Hill would impose a nationwide ban. The Soap and Detergent Association, which represents manufacturers, initially fought the bans. But as the movement gained strength across the country, the association asked legislatures to delay bans until July 2010 to allow for a uniform rollout of products. The industry has been working to develop better low-phosphate detergents, said Dennis Griesing, vice president of the manufacturers group. This is an irrevocable, nationwide commitment on the industry's part," he said." I never knew that Procter & Gamble and co. were 'liberals' [8\|] .

Sanity -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 6:19:39 AM)
Why do Liberals think they're the only ones who "like" the environment. [8\|] Everyone likes the environment, it's just that not everyone worships it. It's like the PETA people, believing that no one likes animals but them. Everyone likes animals too, but not everyone is an extremist that way.

kittinSol -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 6:23:13 AM)
Why do some Republicans believe that they have a god-given right to promote pollution as a way of life [>:] ? It's useless to keep on hammering the falsehood that the environment is a 'liberal' agenda. Environmental policies are a universal necessity: time for the right-wing pro-pollution extremists to grow the hell up.

Sanity -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 6:37:38 AM)
Why don't you define "pro-pollution" for us. Does that label apply to anyone who bathes, or who wears clean clothes? Or do you have more of an extremely narrow definition in mind... We all use resources kitten. We all pollute. The question is, who among us are going to be the ones who try to tell everyone else exactly how they may live, and in every stinking way imaginable under the sun.

kittinSol -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 6:51:48 AM)
Telling businesses that they can throw their muck into the rivers impunitively is pro-pollution. Letting businesses put shit in our food is pro-pollution. Allowing businesses to manufacture products that are extremely polluting, when there are in fact perfectly good alternatives that aren't as harmful to the environment, is pro-pollution. Etcaetera, etcaetera, etcaetera. Work with me and find a middle-ground, Sanity. The right-wing rherotic stinks. Literally.

sappatoti -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 6:52:19 AM)
After reading the article, I'm not convinced it's part of an extremist liberal agenda. This situation seems to be a case where good intentions were not tested thoroughly enough and implemented at the wrong time. That happens all of the time in government, from conservatives, moderates, and liberals. Those pushing for the ban against phosphate ladened detergents obviously did not test the green alternatives rigorously enough for use in hard mineral water. I think the response from the one official of the project that stated each household should install water softeners in order to make the non-phosphate detergents work was a bit short-sighted and callous, but then again, that's par for the course with governments which don't want to admit to having made a mistake. Note: As an aside, I think any government providing water to its citizens then implementing rules about the use of any specific type of detergents that do not work well with the water as supplied needs to do more to change the quality of their water. It's not right, IMO, to force consumers to pay more for an alternative detergent which, in turn, requires each consumer to spend even more to make the alternative work (by each installing their own softening treatment). At the very least, some sort of compromise needs to be struck between the government and its citizens with regards to the costs involved in bringing the water quality up to the level where it can work with the new detergents. This case, to me, is yet another example of governments acting first without doing the proper research, nothing more.

Sanity -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 7:05:57 AM)
In this case, kitten, the alternative products don't work - that's the whole point of the article. And while the article states that it is difficult for water treatment plants to remove phosphates it doesn't state that it is impossible, which leads me to wonder why there isn't more work done on that end of the problem. If environmentalists would like to woo people over to their side of the argument they should use better tactics - taking away their soap before they have a good alternative, and labeling people who like clean dishes "pro-pollution" or whatever is just going to turn people off, and lead people to view them as wild-eyed control freaks. quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Telling businesses that they can throw their muck into the rivers impunitively is pro-pollution. Letting businesses put shit in our food is pro-pollution. Allowing businesses to manufacture products that are extremely polluting, when there are in fact perfectly good alternatives that aren't as harmful to the environment, is pro-pollution. Etcaetera, etcaetera, etcaetera. Work with me and find a middle-ground, Sanity. The right-wing rherotic stinks. Literally.

Bella1965 -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggling (4/1/2009 7:06:34 AM)
G'morning all: (Fast Reply) I don't see what the fuss is about. Outlaw the damn dish washing machines. Let the lazy turds do their dishes by hand and you solve the inability of the "green" products to remove all the grease and/or food particles. On the other hand, I have to wonder why someone from NY is getting his britches up about a news article in WA. shrugs Must be a slow day for someone. The things that come up in the scroll... Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella

sappatoti -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggling (4/1/2009 7:14:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bella1965 ... I have to wonder why someone from NY is getting his britches up about a news article in WA. ... While I cannot speak for the OP I can point out that what's taking place right now in WA is being debated or in the process of being implemented in NY (according to the article). Sometimes it is important to understand what's taking place in other areas of the country before those same mistakes become reality where you live. I used to live in upstate NY and realize that without modification to the water supply or treatment systems or detergents those alternatives (including hand dishwashing detergents) are not going to work any better in NY than they currently do in WA, as it stands right now.

Sanity -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggling (4/1/2009 7:15:51 AM)
That's a solution! Outlaw everything that pollutes. Why pussy foot around with it... [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: Bella1965 G'morning all: (Fast Reply) I don't see what the fuss is about. Outlaw the damn dish washing machines. Let the lazy turds do their dishes by hand and you solve the inability of the "green" products to remove all the grease and/or food particles. On the other hand, I have to wonder why someone from NY is getting his britches up about a news article in WA. shrugs Must be a slow day for someone. The things that come up in the scroll... Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella

kittinSol -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 7:16:48 AM)
I will quote from the article again then: "The Soap and Detergent Association, which represents manufacturers, initially fought the bans. But as the movement gained strength across the country, the association asked legislatures to delay bans until July 2010 to allow for a uniform rollout of products. The industry has been working to develop better low-phosphate detergents, said Dennis Griesing, vice president of the manufacturers group. This is an irrevocable, nationwide commitment on the industry's part," he said." The manufacturers are working on producing detergents with low levels of phosphates. VICTORY! All they needed was a little kick up the arse. Not altogether that surprising, but you can thank the 'environment worshippers' for it.

Sanity -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 7:19:17 AM)
It says they're working on it, not that they've got it figured out. Where is the victory in that?

kittinSol -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 7:23:38 AM)
Now, you're just being pigheaded. Don't you trust the detergent industry to come up with something :-) ? They will, don't worry: dishwashers are safe (I wish I had one, by the way. Anyone who wants to contribute to my domestic needs is more than welcome, and it's less pricey than a bank draft to Nigeria).

sappatoti -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggeling (4/1/2009 7:25:22 AM)
That's great the manufacturers are finally changing their formulations (after what, about 30 or so years of being pressured into doing so?). Phosphate pollution was a problem discussed back in the 1970s and it's only now being taken seriously. Anyway... Why are authorities jumping the gun on forcing the old products off the shelves before the alternatives are available, fully tested and in great enough quantities? To me, this is a case where good intentions are simply outrunning society's ability to move ahead at a pace that's comfortable with the masses (as already evident by those in Spokane looking for the old detergents). I don't believe that those looking for detergents that work are part of any "pro-pollution" movement any more than I believe that liberals are the only ones to blame for pushing an environmental agenda. The trial ban on regular detergents should be lifted, IMO, until the new detergents are tested and proven to work in all water conditions. Think about how much gasoline wouldn't be burned or carbon dioxide released if people didn't have to travel those extra miles in search of banned products right now.

Bella1965 -> RE: Liberals cause Detergent smuggling (4/1/2009 7:27:01 AM)
G'morning all: sappatoti, work with me here son. It's called humor. quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity That's a solution! Outlaw everything that pollutes. Why pussy foot around with it... [:D] Someone got it. On a serious note, self policing would be more conscientious than state/nationwide laws. Unfortunately, most people aren't that considerate. Yes, people could install water treatment units in their homes to accommodate the government supplied water mineral deposits. OR, call me crazy, the government could work harder and implement the prescribed units into the water treatment facilities without the taxpayers incurring the exorbitant cost upon themselves. Just a thought. (tongue still firmly in cheek) Since we all know that our government is loathe to spend money. Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella

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