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Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 3:42:56 PM   
ArmoredOne


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Bend over and take it, smokers.  Yet another fine example of taxation without representation.

Just for a week, I would love to see smokers abstain from purchases and see what it does to incomes at the state and federal level.

$1.01 tax per pack, 20 bucks a carton.

If they ever do manage to get rid of smoking, I wonder how far up sales taxes and import duties are going to jump to make up the deficit, not that they can function with what they already gank from us.
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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 3:45:08 PM   
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By paying the tax, I'm reminded that they won't outlaw it as long as its floating all of their new weapons programs and pay raises. 

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 3:47:27 PM   
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Not only this... I am still searching for an article rather than a pdf bill or whatever that will prove this... but Oregan is considering requiring a priscription for tobacco products saying it needs to be monitored just as some cold medicines.  It was on the news here in KC.

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 3:55:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ArmoredOne

Just for a week, I would love to see smokers abstain from purchases and see what it does to incomes at the state and federal level.



Good luck with that!! They don't call it an addiction for nothing.


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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:05:10 PM   
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I'd like to also take the time to suggest perhaps a few other items that they might want to consider a new tax on:  1. A coffee & tea tax- this could pay for the rising health care costs in today's profit-driven medical system.  Its important that whatever happens, we keep the same system in place, plus, studies have shown that caffeine is the most widely used drug in the world.  This would provide a wider tax base and actually raise more capital for the tyrants to squander.  The pharmaceutical industry has lobbied for years to finally rein in caffeine to safer waters by making available by prescription only, but as of yet, caffeine remains something of a rogue drug which is still somehow operating in a relatively free market.  2. A golf tax- this could pay for children's education, schools, raises for teachers, and scholarships.  Golf eats up a lot of time and many families suffer because of a family member's costly addiction to it.  3.  A tax on children- this would be a user-based tax which hits the consumer who has enough available resources to pay for the child in the first place.  Clinton's advisor has just come forward to say that the Earth's sustainable population limit has been reached.  We could adopt Wal-Mart's partner, communist China's philosophy and import some of that over here to the U.S. in no time.  If Obama would force Congress to implement this, we'd have enough capital to empower Obama to continue his massive shift away from globalist Bush policies, and our troops would be out of harm's way, and our pipeline through Afghanistan would be protected.  That's change I can believe in!



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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:05:53 PM   
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I don't smoke so it's better than a gas tax hike.

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:08:13 PM   
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How about ending subsidies.

Why is the government still giving money to poisoners?

I mean,Jessie Helms is dead.We can do this....

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:17:22 PM   
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This is how the extended health coverage for children is going to be funded. It's good: cigarettes are too cheap. What truly sucks is that as always, it's the poorest segment of the population that will suffer the most from this. But... it can't be helped.

Less smoking = more health. Time to give up the evil weed, dude.

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:22:58 PM   
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Of COURSE its 'for the kids'!  Have you ever once heard a news story about a new tax that's going to fund covert operations supporting, oh, say, the state of Israel?  "The White House Spokesman says the new toll roads across our interstates will exist solely to assist funding the Israeli defense against Palenstinian aggression"  Yeah, how's that for your nightly news? Its standard policy to suggest that any new tax will generate 'assistance for the children', when in fact, it ends up getting shoveled in a direction you never hear about.  Just file it under "more money". 

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:45:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ArmoredOne

Bend over and take it, smokers.  Yet another fine example of taxation without representation.

Just for a week, I would love to see smokers abstain from purchases and see what it does to incomes at the state and federal level.

$1.01 tax per pack, 20 bucks a carton.

If they ever do manage to get rid of smoking, I wonder how far up sales taxes and import duties are going to jump to make up the deficit, not that they can function with what they already gank from us.


I can actually help you on this one.....

1/52nd of total taxes...at which point (one week)....all you smokers would kick in again and rev the fuck up.

I for one...am gonna quit smoking abruptly...it's the stupidest fucking thing a human can do (other than marry my ex wife)...and I'm fucking done baby!

(And why the fuck I've done it this long is beyond me!)

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:51:55 PM   
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Well smokers do tend to be a drag on public services,at least the ones that develop terminal conditions as a result of their high risk activities...especially after the private insurance gets tapped out.BTW I'm a smoker who would love to quit...

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:55:07 PM   
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Hey Slavehandsome.....what is the source of your information?

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:55:16 PM   
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Some of the inevitable results are that if cigarettes are significantly cheaper in one state, then people from states with higher cigarette taxes will save up cash, pool their resources and cross state lines to purchase their nicotine.

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:56:33 PM   
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Mark,
 
What are you doing here?  Thought you were swimming across the Atlantic? 

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 4:56:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

This is how the extended health coverage for children is going to be funded. It's good: cigarettes are too cheap. What truly sucks is that as always, it's the poorest segment of the population that will suffer the most from this. But... it can't be helped.

Less smoking = more health. Time to give up the evil weed, dude.


If theyre so poor why are they wasting money on cigarettes?

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 5:05:13 PM   
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WOW.........perhaps they aren't really poor.I mean if their smoking maybe their drinking too.

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 5:06:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ArmoredOne

Bend over and take it, smokers.  Yet another fine example of taxation without representation.

Just for a week, I would love to see smokers abstain from purchases and see what it does to incomes at the state and federal level.

$1.01 tax per pack, 20 bucks a carton.

If they ever do manage to get rid of smoking, I wonder how far up sales taxes and import duties are going to jump to make up the deficit, not that they can function with what they already gank from us.


One of the big promises that is the first to come out of a political campaign is the promise not to raise taxes. It is also one of the first promises to be ganked on the the way to taking care of someone or something. Smoking is only the tip of what is a deep iceberg, and it's not just the federal government. Just about every state in the union is looking for more ways to get more money from fewer people. I'm in New York at the moment and they're crying over what's being proposed as a massive tax hike. Among the items under consideration are sodas. Fat tax some of the folks here are calling it.

I've not heard any of this myself but the talk around the offices is that sodas, for one (I don't know what else) have been deemed unnecessary and unduly fattening. Then there's the tax raise on transportation. And for the person below who thinks it's better than a gas hike, stay tuned. States who have inspections have been automating that process over the past few years. One of the items recorded is your mileage. The plan on the books is to start taxing mileage since states are losing money from more people buying gas efficient cars.

Thought you were going to save on gas, didn't you. Grin. Didn't consider that the state or the feds are going to get your money one way or the other.

If you think your government is not fucking you, doesn't intend to fuck you, and will ever stop fucking you, you're insane. I heard today that it is estimated another 12.8 trillion will need to into financial institutions this year to keep them from going under. I also had a conversation today with a friend whose sister doesn't work, lives on welfare, has her home, her food, her daycare, her health insurance paid for, along with receiving a check each month from our government. Her rehab for crack addiction was also paid for.

Family took in the kids while mom went dry for 4 days. This is her second or third time through.

The friend, works about 3 different jobs. She not only cares for the crack addict's babies, she works from morning to midnight when she's not. Her husband left a year ago, just up and went and left her with the house and their two kids. She's on the verge of losing that house because they, like quite a few people, bought into the ARM market before housing went bust. Her house payment has doubled in the last 18 months, and while the loan itself is not that outrageous, the interest upon it makes the payment rather outrageous.

Her lender, refuses to work with her. She could pay the mortgage at the fixed rates being offered, but they won't work with her to change it. Actually, from what she tells me, they're just refusing to. So she takes care of 4 kids, two of her own, two from her government supported sister over the weekends, works 3 jobs, and just paid her taxes.

She's running a household off of 35k a year, can't get assistance, and will eventually lose her home. It's just a matter of time. The same lenders who won't work with her, call her she says, several times a day threatening.

You want a bottom line? Your government cares more about you when you do nothing than when you work your ass off and try to stay afloat.

The same state has an unemployment rate of nearly 10 percent. The governor is promising tax hikes to cover her budget shortfall - which really isn't short since the state acquired over 6 billion in stimulus dollars. In an economic downturn, it is a measure of squeezing more dollars out of the pockets of fewer people. The image keeps floating around in my head of some cartoon dude with tax collector written across his hat, holding people upside down to shake out the loose pennies.

You want to fund extended health care for children? Then get off your lazy ass and go to work. You want to believe your taxes are not going up? Fine. Stick your head in the sand deep enough and maybe you'll expire from the lack of oxygen and there will be one less idiot to keep alive later on in a nursing home.

If you want it to stop, then do something besides sit on message boards and complain about it.


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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 5:06:47 PM   
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Are these people playing the lottery too.Shameful....

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 5:15:02 PM   
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We need a good old fashioned national "Boston Tea Party" with things other than tea that actually get taxed heavily.  Of course, I am not sure it would do any good. 

It continually amazes me that while most of us cut back during hard times, & give up many goods & services to get by, our government never thinks to cut back, only how to bleed us more.  We can't afford a phone, we give up our phone.  We can't afford cable TV.  We give it up.  Some people even give up their electricity, but our government never seems to get that concept. 

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RE: Yet another cigarette tax hike... - 4/1/2009 5:21:28 PM   
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Are these people playing the lottery too.Shameful....


and in her next post kittin will whine about them not having health insurance when they are spending 1000 a month on lottery tickets and smokes.

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