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Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/2/2009 11:43:14 PM   
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WTF man.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090403/ap_on_re_as/as_afghan_women_11

By FISNIK ABRASHI, Associated Press Writer Fisnik Abrashi, Associated Press Writer – Thu Apr 2, 9:08 pm ET
KABUL – A new Afghan law makes it legal for men to rape their wives, human rights groups and some Afghan lawmakers said Thursday, accusing President Hamid Karzai of signing the legislation to bolster his re-election prospects. Critics worry the legislation undermines hard-won rights for women enacted after the fall of the Taliban's strict Islamist regime.
The law — which some lawmakers say was never debated in parliament — is intended to regulate family life inside Afghanistan's Shiite community, which makes up about 20 percent of this country of 30 million people. The law does not affect Afghan Sunnis.
One of the most controversial articles stipulates the wife "is bound to preen for her husband as and when he desires."
"As long as the husband is not traveling, he has the right to have sexual intercourse with his wife every fourth night," Article 132 of the law says. "Unless the wife is ill or has any kind of illness that intercourse could aggravate, the wife is bound to give a positive response to the sexual desires of her husband."
One provision also appears to protect the woman's right to sex inside marriage saying the "man should not avoid having sexual relations with his wife longer than once every four months."
The law's critics say Karzai signed the legislation in the past month only for political gains several months before the country's presidential election.
The United Nations Development Fund for Women, or UNIFEM, said the law "legalizes the rape of a wife by her husband." "The law violates women's rights and human rights in numerous ways," a UNIFEM statement said.
The U.S. is "very concerned" about the law, said State Department spokesman Robert Wood. "We urge President Karzai to review the law's legal status to correct provisions of the law that limit or restrict women's rights."
Wood added that U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had met with female Afghan lawmakers in The Hague and had assured them that "women's rights are going to be paramount in this administration's foreign policy, not an afterthought."
Canada's Defense Minister Peter MacKay said he will use this week's NATO summit to put "direct" pressure on his Afghan counterparts to abandon the legislation.
The issue of women's rights is a continuous source of tension between the country's conservative establishment and more liberal members of society. The Taliban government that ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 banned women from appearing in public without a body-covering burqa and a male escort from her family.
Much has improved since then. Millions of girls now attend school and many women own businesses. Of 351 parliamentarians, 89 are women.
But in this staunchly conservative country, critics fear those gains could easily be reversed.
Fawzia Kufi, a lawmaker who opposed the legislation, said several of its articles undermine constitutional and human rights of women as equals and take the country backward.
"All the efforts that were made in the last seven years to enhance women's rights will be undermined," Kufi said.
Karzai has not commented on the law. A spokesman, Waheed Omar, said the president is "aware of the discussion surrounding the law, and is looking into the matter."
Brad Adams, the Asia director for the New York-based Human Rights Watch, said the law is a "dramatic setback for women's rights."
"It directly contradicts the freedoms enshrined in the Afghan constitution and the international conventions that Afghanistan has signed up to that guarantee the rights of women," Adams said.
Safia Sidiqi, a lawmaker from Nangarhar province who condemned the legislation, said she cannot remember parliament debating or even voting on the law and she does not know how it came to be signed by Karzai. She called for the law to be recalled to parliament for debate.
"It is impossible in a two-month session for parliament to pass a law more than 200 pages long," she said of the 263-page law.
Sayed Hossain Alemi Balkhi, a Shiite lawmaker involved in drafting it, defended the legislation saying it gives more rights to women than even Britain or the United States does. He said the law makes women safer and ensures the husband is obliged to provide for her.
As Karzai seeks re-election later this year, he is courting voters in the Shiite community, Kufi said. Women voters are presumed to vote as their husbands do.
"Women's basic freedoms are being sacrificed for the political and electoral gain of a few parliamentarians," Human Rights Watch's Adams said.
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Associated Press writers Rob Gillies and Charmaine Noronha in Toronto and Matthew Lee in Washington contributed to this report.
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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 3:35:18 AM   
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Horrible and disgusting but not surprising.  The last line sums it up best.

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 5:15:48 AM   
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Horrible, disgusting and will keep happening over and over again until women have no rights whatsoever. Because no one really cares about these women except a few human rights groups and other women. If people cared something would be done to stop
stupid shit like this from happening. But as long as these lunatics are in charge, women will suffer as will their children.
Perhaps they should worship Lorena Bobbitt instead, it might stop some of this craziness.

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 5:21:36 AM   
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Once again, women's bodies are used as a means to a political end. What's the United States' position on this? Are they going to let it pass because it placates those they want to do business with?

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 6:01:51 AM   
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IT doesnt surprise me in the least, disgusts me but surprises me not at all



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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 6:23:56 AM   
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This law is awful, yes. But weren't things worse for women in Afghanistan under the Taliban?

And it's funny how three months ago this would undoubtedly have been all George Bush's fault. Now you're merely curious as to the position of "The United States"?

Further, why is this deemed unacceptable in Afghanistan (as I agree it should be) while all the myriads of unspeakable atrocities including  the horrific rapes of entire families conducted by the state in Iraq under Saddam & Sons were said to have been absolutely none of our business.

Why the double standards?


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Once again, women's bodies are used as a means to a political end. What's the United States' position on this? Are they going to let it pass because it placates those they want to do business with?


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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 6:30:56 AM   
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quote:

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And it's funny how three months ago this would undoubtedly have been all George Bush's fault. Now you're merely curious as to the position of "The United States"?



Please, Sanity, I like you very much, despite your misguided political beliefs, but you're presuming to know what someone would have said, and that's just philosophically wrong - you have no idea, really.

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Further, why is this deemed unacceptable in Afghanistan (as I agree it should be) while all the myriads of unspeakable atrocities including  the horrific rapes of entire families conducted by the state in Iraq under Saddam & Sons were said to have been absolutely none of our business.

Why the double standards?



There is no double-standard. You make it sound like I would have defended Saddam Hussein, which is presposterous, and untrue. What I fought against was an illegal invasion that had for aim to occupy a country for political and economic reasons, not to solve the human rights situation in Iraq (as if Bush and Cheney ever gave a fuck about that ) .

I don't advocate invading Afghanistan either: but I argue that there should be some serious diplomatic pressure to lift that shit out. Human rights are universal.

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 6:36:31 AM   
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Thank you kitten, I like you too.

Since Afghanistan is a democracy and they've legitimately passed this law, what can we do? Sanctions would only further harm women there. Maybe we're doing all we can by helping them to open up to the outside word so that they can better educate themselves. Possibly eventually come to the point where they're ready to join this current century.










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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 6:42:42 AM   
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A democracy, all things being relative... Unfortunately, we can't forget who trained the mujahideen against the Soviet Union. Who praised them as 'freedom fighters'? Remember that? The mess is of historical proportions, but these nutjobs are omnipresent over there for a reason  .

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 6:47:15 AM   
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Somehow, I don't believe that things would be any better in Afghanistan today had the United States simply allowed the Soviets to continue marching through that region of the world completely unhindered.


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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 7:53:47 AM   
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Tell me again about equality and how we are all the same under the skin, would someone ?

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 7:57:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol


Please, Sanity, I like you very much, despite your misguided political beliefs, but you're presuming to know what someone would have said, and that's just philosophically wrong - you have no idea, really.


. What I fought against was an illegal invasion that had for aim to occupy a country for political and economic reasons, not to solve the human rights situation in Iraq (as if Bush and Cheney ever gave a fuck about that ) .



I see, so sanity can't presume what someone would have said (and therefore thinks) but the almighty all seeing kittin can.

Hypocrisy, liberal is thy middle name.

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 8:13:55 AM   
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liberals drop the words "Bush" when a negative story about the US comes out and put the words United States instead ;)

So whats Obama going to do about it ;)

has he even talked about it yet ;)

How much aid is Obama promising to provide?  Isn't that a position of strength to get them to change their mind??? ;)



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Once again, women's bodies are used as a means to a political end. What's the United States' position on this? Are they going to let it pass because it placates those they want to do business with?

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 8:16:06 AM   
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i would like to see what those economic reasons were?



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There is no double-standard. You make it sound like I would have defended Saddam Hussein, which is presposterous, and untrue. What I fought against was an illegal invasion that had for aim to occupy a country for political and economic reasons, not to solve the human rights situation in Iraq (as if Bush and Cheney ever gave a fuck about that ) .

I don't advocate invading Afghanistan either: but I argue that there should be some serious diplomatic pressure to lift that shit out. Human rights are universal.
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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 8:17:25 AM   
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...as i understand it, the law applies to the Shia minority only as a clause in the constitution there requires that their desires (read Shia men's desires) be recognised. However, that same constitution also has a clause protecting the rights of women. So the current law is constitutional in one sense but unconstitutional in another. Therefore the Afghan equivilant of the Supreme Court will undoubtedly have to rule as to which clause has precedence.....hopefully they'll do the right thing.

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 8:19:58 AM   
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MS, the transfer of wealth. Only a few people got a piece of what they stole from Iraq, the fact that us average Joes didn't get any of it doesn't mean money was not made.

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 8:27:39 AM   
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the people we fight against in Afghanistan are not the mujaheddin .  That was the Northern Alliance.  The Taliban was the ones fighting against the mujaheddin.

Also lets do some math.  Lets say the vast majority of all the mujaheddin was 18 years old when the war ended in 1989.  Now this is unrealistic but lets just say it for the benefit of your argument.  Now subtract the year of 9-11 attacks 2001 from 1989.  You have 12.  Now add the 12 years to the 18 and you have 30 years old.  That would mean the enemy we would face in Afghanistan would be 30 years old or older in the year 2001 for it to be the mujaheddin.  I don't think that matches up to what we faced on the battlefield in 2001- today  ;)  Oh since its now 2009 that would mean the mujaheddin would have to be at the youngest 38 years old today.  ;)




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A democracy, all things being relative... Unfortunately, we can't forget who trained the mujahideen against the Soviet Union. Who praised them as 'freedom fighters'? Remember that? The mess is of historical proportions, but these nutjobs are omnipresent over there for a reason  .


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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 8:31:18 AM   
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what Americans stole things from Iraq?
who specifically did the stealing?
What were the items stolen?

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MS, the transfer of wealth. Only a few people got a piece of what they stole from Iraq, the fact that us average Joes didn't get any of it doesn't mean money was not made.

T

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 8:39:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

what Americans stole things from Iraq?
who specifically did the stealing?
What were the items stolen?

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

MS, the transfer of wealth. Only a few people got a piece of what they stole from Iraq, the fact that us average Joes didn't get any of it doesn't mean money was not made.

T



dont you know it was all about oil?

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RE: Critics assail Afghan law that 'legalizes rape' - 4/3/2009 9:52:45 AM   
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I'll try to be short MS so as not to constitute a hijack.

Here's how it works. You work under the regime, due to change, but they are bold and take over Iraq. You get the job of getting the oil wells pumping and you do so and get a check. You "forget" to put it metering devices and of course they should be tested at maximum capacity. You get your buddies to dump a bunch of money into petroluem futures to up the price and you make a fortune. Later, since you KNOW FOR A FACT that there is going to be a regime change, you have your buddies pull out of the oil futures, exaserbating a basic financial meltdown, and go back to work in Dubai, where you maved the company in light of things to come, things in which you had a hand in causing.

I see the scam as pretty simple, I really don't stand in awe of it. Not at all, it required connections and favors at the highest levels and enormous support. The kind of scam I respect is one that is done on a shoestring budget, ingeniously crafted by a sharp mind. That I can appreciate. This is just sort of a brute force scam, anybody can do that.

If I can see this so clearly, what do you think a real expert at it sees ?

Call me full of shit if you want, but I will rebut with this. The rich did not get rich by sitting on their proch waiting for bags of money to commence falling out of the sky. Even our beloved Bill Gates is proven hands down to be a thief and a scammer, so what do you think these even more useless fucks are doing ?

One of the reasons I supported Obama was on the remote chance that there would be an investigation into the dealings with Haliburton, KBR and a few others. Luckily I didn't hold my breath.

Let me sum it up. Youse fukin honest people tink everybody is like you; honest, I gots news for ya, dey ain't.

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Back to your normally scheduled BS.

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