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Observer20 -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 10:25:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jonathan

It's an urban myth. Would any of you scrub a terlit for no gain?

Yeah, and I love raking leaves, too.

Bullshit.



Yep, female entitlement runs big on this site. Its fine as a fantasy, but you got women on this site who are bitter over the fact that they haven't met some guy that they can work to death and give nothing back in return. There is nothing dominant about expecting a free lunch. I'd have much more respect for it if they just called it for what it is - "I'm too lazy to do it myself, and I'm too cheap to hire a housekeeper"




Lockit -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 11:11:14 AM)

Oberver, I can understand where you would get this impression.  The facts are, most dominants are not lazy and would give in most relationships they have.  I created the original post because many male submissive's will use the term 'no strings housework' when in fact there are strings.  They for the most part want something out of it all.  So stating that they want no strings housework becomes a manipulation to get a foot in the door.. somewhat like the old comedy salesman tricks.

Many seem to hear that a dominant only wants to use and abuse and that simply doesn't line up with most dominant's that post on these boards.  Some may, some may not be dominant's, just mean people and people that want to get even with someone for past pains.  But most of the dominant women on these boards are not into use and abuse without concern or care for their submissive.  Just look on another thread on the mistress board when someone is wanting someone extreme to use him.  Look at the responses there.  A lot of that is fantasy.

If you set your mind in that most dominant's only want to use and abuse... we can't change your mind, but you are missing those good dominant's that are far different than your mind set.




GoodgirlFind -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 2:01:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Observer20

quote:

ORIGINAL: jonathan

It's an urban myth. Would any of you scrub a terlit for no gain?

Yeah, and I love raking leaves, too.

Bullshit.



Yep, female entitlement runs big on this site. Its fine as a fantasy, but you got women on this site who are bitter over the fact that they haven't met some guy that they can work to death and give nothing back in return. There is nothing dominant about expecting a free lunch. I'd have much more respect for it if they just called it for what it is - "I'm too lazy to do it myself, and I'm too cheap to hire a housekeeper"



Fear motivates hatred. Perversely the more a person is a hater the more obvious their weakness and fragility of mind. Why do you care so much? Why do you care about the power some women have over the subbies who are in love with them? Why is it so important to you that no woman gets the better end of the deal, even when the man wants her to? Hate is fear. We fear first, then we hate. What about women do you fear? Do you know enough about them to make such outrageous accusations? Do you care to learn other people's truth, before you condemn them?

Nothing is more unfortunate than self-destruction. The power you give those whom you hate is destroying you.




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 2:23:46 PM)

Lockit,

Most of the submissives I've encountered who claim 'no strings housework' do indeed come with many strings.  However, recently, I found someone here on CM who wishes nothing more than to come and clean and perhaps serve in other ways (such as being a designated driver on nights I wish to go out).  His only expectation is to receive discipline if he does something wrong, but doesn't wish to do things poorly to garner discipline.  If in fact that is his only 'string'  I have no problem with that whatsoever.  We are meeting up Sunday to discuss a schedule.  If things go well, I plan to keep him around a bit.  I'll let ya know if he has any other strings that weren't disclosed.  They may actually exist afterall. [:D]




Lockit -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 2:27:37 PM)

WooooHooooo Domin8ing!  I hope all goes well for both of you!  Do let us know! lol




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 2:30:16 PM)

Thank you.  I hope it works out well for both of us.




Observer20 -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 2:40:47 PM)

Your shaming tactics are lame. If you read the post the way it was meant to be taken, instead of looking for something to take offense to (I noticed you did that in a couple other threads, after checking your posting history) I was talking about people who want free handouts, and complain when they don't get them. If a woman happens to find a slave who wants to clean without anything in return, then good for her; but it shouldn't be something anyone should expect to happen on a whim; the search should be hard. I would want someone to clean my house for free, but I doubt I am going to find that person, so I don't get all bent out of shape about it. Subs are constantly getting shamed (I see a lot of constant negativity in profiles) for wanting playtime in a relationship, and I'm tired of all the "do me submissive" lingo that gets thrown around here.

By the way, those who constantly throw the sexism/racism card are some of the biggest bigots on the planet.




GoodgirlFind -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 2:47:22 PM)

Right. Take a look back at the posts you answer. It's clear in all of your posts you have a distain for dominant women.

When you stop hating them, they'll have less power over you.




subtlebutterfly -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 2:51:04 PM)

a man...doing housechores...for free? OMG from now on I am dominant! [sm=domme.gif]




Observer20 -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 2:52:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Oberver, I can understand where you would get this impression.  The facts are, most dominants are not lazy and would give in most relationships they have.  I created the original post because many male submissive's will use the term 'no strings housework' when in fact there are strings.  They for the most part want something out of it all.  So stating that they want no strings housework becomes a manipulation to get a foot in the door.. somewhat like the old comedy salesman tricks.


And are you really surprised that men are going to lie about wanting to clean your house for nothing? Very rarely are you going to meet someone who is going to help or do something nice for the sake of being nice, lol.

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Many seem to hear that a dominant only wants to use and abuse and that simply doesn't line up with most dominant's that post on these boards.  Some may, some may not be dominant's, just mean people and people that want to get even with someone for past pains.  But most of the dominant women on these boards are not into use and abuse without concern or care for their submissive.  Just look on another thread on the mistress board when someone is wanting someone extreme to use him.  Look at the responses there.  A lot of that is fantasy.


Read my reply above. Thats how a lot of profiles that seek "no strings housework" come across, with a "me me me" mentality. Whats in it for the sub? If a dominant wants submission than he or she is going to have to give something in order to get it. This post wasnt directed to anyone particular in this thread or on this board.

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If you set your mind in that most dominant's only want to use and abuse... we can't change your mind, but you are missing those good dominant's that are far different than your mind set.


You're right, I don't really have a high opinion of most dominants, male or female. I think classy Dom/mes are rare, but then again like I said earlier thats how it should be. I find that a lot come across as people that are into themselves, have unrealistic expectations, and love to blame the submissives as to why they can't find a partner.





Observer20 -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 2:58:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GoodgirlFind

Right. Take a look back at the posts you answer. It's clear in all of your posts you have a distain for dominant women.

When you stop hating them, they'll have less power over you.


Of course, you can't address the post. Obviously I struck a nerve with you. Its easier for your kind to just accuse the person of hate.

BTW Its "disdain", not distain [:D]




Lockit -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 3:01:11 PM)

Oberver, I am going to respond one time and only this time.  First of all I find little surprising.  I have a huge distaste for people who do not say what they mean and mean what they say.  If a man puts in his profile that he wants no strings housework and truely wants something else or doesn't know what no strings housework is.. he shouldn't say it or he is lying.  It has nothing to do with me except that I might call the term out and want to talk about it and what others might think about it or expereince.  Don't project to know what I am feeling or thinking when you are so clearly wrong.

Secondly... like I said... we can't change your mind set.  But... when you connect the dots to those who are complaining that they are alone and your claim that they are asking too much... I would be interested in seeing your research results.  Until then, you are making some wild assumptions.




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 3:09:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Observer20
I was talking about people who want free handouts, and complain when they don't get them. If a woman happens to find a slave who wants to clean without anything in return, then good for her; but it shouldn't be something anyone should expect to happen on a whim; the search should be hard.
For myself, finding someone to do things for me while I sit back, has not been a problem...   It's all the other relationship complexities, chemistry, similar outlooks, my sabotaging, that has been a problem in the past.

I'm sorry that dominants expecting to dominate and have service pisses you off, but them's the breaks.    Do we on occasion vent our disapointments?   Sure!   We're still only human.  [:D] 

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By the way, those who constantly throw the sexism/racism card are some of the biggest bigots on the planet.
How did you manage to get racism into this thread?   Got a private email you want to send to someone and vent?     M




BadJezebel -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 3:30:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: manxcat

I told a sub who was coming to visit, that there would be no strings housework.  He replied, "What's that?"  I responded, "You have it in your profile under loves.  What else in your profile don't you understand?"  "Mumble,mumble, mumble." . . . .


WOW!   Hilarious!




GoodgirlFind -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 3:35:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Observer20

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ORIGINAL: GoodgirlFind

Right. Take a look back at the posts you answer. It's clear in all of your posts you have a distain for dominant women.

When you stop hating them, they'll have less power over you.


Of course, you can't address the post. Obviously I struck a nerve with you. Its easier for your kind to just accuse the person of hate.

BTW Its "disdain", not distain [:D]



Wow...what a comedian you are!  I didn't realize this was stand up hour.  

quote:

Of course, you can't address the post. Obviously I struck a nerve with you. Its easier for your kind to just accuse the person of hate.


Uh, not really.




GoodgirlFind -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 3:40:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Observer20


You're right, I don't really have a high opinion of most dominants, male or female. I think classy Dom/mes are rare, but then again like I said earlier thats how it should be. I find that a lot come across as people that are into themselves, have unrealistic expectations, and love to blame the submissives as to why they can't find a partner.




Enough with the absolutes. "Most" doesn't fit around here. The world isn't black and white. That sort of dualism completely disregards anything but stereotypical views. Maybe your finding outside what you yourself are feeling inside.

Your hatred just adds to your feelings of powerlessness. I wouldn't worry so much about other folk's "shortcomings" so much. It's going to create a monster out of you.





LovingMistress45 -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/10/2009 5:50:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aidan

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ORIGINAL: LovingMistress45

I WANT one!!!


I'll come jizz in your sock drawer to give the same effect.

'Cause I'm a giver.



hmmmmmmmmm.......that is not what I was saying I wanted. 




undergroundsea -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/11/2009 8:14:32 AM)

I think the two complaints we are seeing are apples and oranges. I also think there are some scenarios which one might not have experienced personally but with which one can empathize by considering a similar scenario.

One complaint is against some who present themselves as service submissives who will provide no-strings-housework. In practice, it turns out that sometimes this statement was made to get the foot in the door and there were many expectations. I imagine the frustration felt in such a bait-and-switch scenario would be similar to the frustration a given sub might feel upon courting towards what was initially presented as a personal relationship and then learning that the other is in fact seeking clients.

The other complaint is against those persons who wish to receive energy without giving any in return. I imagine frustration a given sub might feel in such a scenario is similar to that a domme might feel upon encountering a sub who wants his fetishes fulfilled without any regard to why she is doing what she does.

I have two other observations.

Some of these scenarios may be a matter of miscommunication versus deception. Specifically, different people might interpret no-strings-attached differently. A given sub might mean that no sex is expected but expects some form of D/s play, another might not expect specific D/s play but expects a D/s energy, and another might think it means that absolutely nothing is expected in return. While I think the last interpretation is most reasonable when the term is taken literally, I also think it is unrealistic. When the last situation does occur, I think by coincidence the sub is getting what is desired. As a solution, I think the two should calibrate their terminology and clarify what no-strings means to each person.

Domme: What do you mean by no-strings? What if I lock myself in my office and work on my project the entire time and we have no interaction?
Sub: Blah, blah, blah

Or

Sub: Have I explained well enough what draws me to such a scenario, and is that motivation acceptable to you?
Domme: Blah, blah, blah

I think there is also a case of a us-versus-faceless-them scenario occurring here. A given sub might have experienced resentment over time about someone who sought housework without any regard to the sub. This resentment, when expressed, might be seen to be or might erroneously be directed directed against all dommes versus those who sought such a scenario. Similarly, the protest against deceptive subs might come across or be expressed against all service subs who are willing to provide no-strings service, however they define it, versus against those who seek to deceive. A protestation by either category who does not fit the complaint may then be taken as denial, and the discussion may turn into a case of faceless us versus them where a gripe against some is directed against the whole, and response of some is seen as response of the whole.

In summary, the first complaint is effectively against those who use bait-and-switch tactics, and the second is effectively against those who think only of their own wants. I think each is a fair complaint. I think the behavior described is distributed across population and each dommes and subs are likely to encounter it. The us-versus-them is more towards those who deceive versus those who do not, and those who think only of their needs versus those who are also interested in the needs of the other. Putting the matter in proper perspective may help avoid the incorrect generalization trap.

Cheers,

Sea




undergroundsea -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/11/2009 8:16:18 AM)

I have a question for dommes who have encoutered similar scenarios.

If you discuss a no-strings arrangement with a sub, what can he expect from you? What differentiates this scenario from him cleaning for a neighbor?

Cheers,

Sea




DianeB269 -> RE: No Strings Housework? (4/11/2009 8:25:43 AM)

Why would someone want to come clean my house and get nothing in return?

I find it very hard to believe...


Diane




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