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*forced* oral - 4/8/2009 6:03:47 PM   
ManyMoodz


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Status: offline 		Can someone please explain what exactly this means/ how can it be forced if the "male'' sub enjoys doing it????.....  (feel free to put in your two cents) 

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 6:25:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		here's an earlier conversation about it --> forced oral

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 6:26:02 PM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		It means someone has a fantasy of being forced or can't admit to what they really want to do.

For myself... I would never want anyone with teeth to be forced to do oral unless it was on an oddly shaped cactus.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 6:29:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		OUCH.. Lockit, that was the most painful thought I've had yet today. The unfair bit was not having someone I wanted to inflict it on.... and not having an appropriate cactus.

Off to the greenhouse.....

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 6:35:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		'Forced' as it's used on this site is generally just a misuse of the term for someone who doesn't want to take responsibility for something they want to do.  "Forced' oral, 'forced' bi, blah, blah, blah.  I think it's probably insulting to someone who has actually been forced in any uncool fashion. 
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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 6:46:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Could be that the person enjoys being humiliated by being made to do something that he really doesn't like.   It's not at all uncommon in the wiring of some submissives' minds. 

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 6:46:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

'Forced' as it's used on this site is generally just a misuse of the term for someone who doesn't want to take responsibility for something they want to do.  "Forced' oral, 'forced' bi, blah, blah, blah.  I think it's probably insulting to someone who has actually been forced in any uncool fashion. 
Davan


Where as using the term 'slave' couldn't possibly trigger any negative associations for people who's ancestors were brought here in shackles and forced to work plantations.


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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 6:55:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forced to many out here is more of a fantasy word used to blame someone else  for making them do something .. The 95 pound 4-8 inch woman  forcing the 5-11 210lb male to get on his knees to perform something he would naturally never do.
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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 7:08:21 PM   
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'Forced' as it's used on this site is generally just a misuse of the term for someone who doesn't want to take responsibility for something they want to do. "Forced' oral, 'forced' bi, blah, blah, blah. I think it's probably insulting to someone who has actually been forced in any uncool fashion.
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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

Forced to many out here is more of a fantasy word used to blame someone else  for making them do something .. The 95 pound 4-8 inch woman  forcing the 5-11 210lb male to get on his knees to perform something he would naturally never do.
I also have a lovely bridge for sale in the state of New York
And your :time share " is a great investment.


Well. Wow. Do you offer your kink judgment for all kinks, or just this one?


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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 8:08:53 PM   
DavanKael


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quote:

ORIGINAL: atypicalsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

'Forced' as it's used on this site is generally just a misuse of the term for someone who doesn't want to take responsibility for something they want to do.  "Forced' oral, 'forced' bi, blah, blah, blah.  I think it's probably insulting to someone who has actually been forced in any uncool fashion. 
Davan


Where as using the term 'slave' couldn't possibly trigger any negative associations for people who's ancestors were brought here in shackles and forced to work plantations.



You're welcome to cm me if you really wish to continue this line of conversation. 
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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 8:10:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subtee

quote:

'Forced' as it's used on this site is generally just a misuse of the term for someone who doesn't want to take responsibility for something they want to do. "Forced' oral, 'forced' bi, blah, blah, blah. I think it's probably insulting to someone who has actually been forced in any uncool fashion.
Davan
quote:

ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

Forced to many out here is more of a fantasy word used to blame someone else  for making them do something .. The 95 pound 4-8 inch woman  forcing the 5-11 210lb male to get on his knees to perform something he would naturally never do.
I also have a lovely bridge for sale in the state of New York
And your :time share " is a great investment.


Well. Wow. Do you offer your kink judgment for all kinks, or just this one?



Not a judgement in my instance: it's a matter of correct usage of a word. 
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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 8:18:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		well you pretty much answered your own question--it isn't.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 8:22:06 PM   
DarkFury


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ManyMoodz

Can someone please explain what exactly this means/ how can it be forced if the "male'' sub enjoys doing it????.....  (feel free to put in your two cents) 

Cheers..
Ms.Di 



I come to think if this as being another form of roleplaying where the dominant person is "forcing" the submissive to perform oral. Yet the submissive may or may not enjoy oral yet they are enjoying the role of one who is "forced" into doing something they may or may not actually enjoy.


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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 9:38:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		This doesn't necessarily have to be role playing or pretend or trying to pawn off responsibility of one's actions.

It could simply be an easier way of describing an act. He grabs a handful of her hair, yanks her to her knees, jerks her head back a bit for a nice angle, adds in a few smacks to make sure she knows it's happening regardless, and gets on with the show.

Many people actually...gasp...like this kinda stuff! While technically, this isn't Webster's definition of "force," it isn't exactly Grandma's fluffy froofroo either.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/8/2009 9:42:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ManyMoodz

Can someone please explain what exactly this means/ how can it be forced if the "male'' sub enjoys doing it????.....  (feel free to put in your two cents) 

Cheers..
Ms.Di 




I was cleaning the house today and happened to find a couple of pennies under the seat cushions, so here goes...

Most of the time forced bi really isn't all that forced. But have there never been times that a sub or slave did something that he (or she) didn't really want to do, but did it all the same just for the enjoyment of their Master or Mistress? To me, that would come pretty close to being "forced" since it was something that they really did not want to do and is something they would not seek to do for their own pleasure.

Just out of curiosity, for the people that are so adamant about not calling it forced bi if it isn't really all that forced, then what would be a better title for that kind of scene?

What would be a better name for forced-fem?

What would be a better name for "slave"? How can a slave really be a slave when they always have the option of walking away? And I see that there are some that don't like the term "forced", and yet they have the term "slave" in their screen name. Isn't that just as phony as the term "forced" when they can leave at any point that they want to?

And since when does "pony play" include a real horse? Is there a better, more accurate term for that kind of scene?

And what is a slave contract? It has no legality what-so-ever and either party can walk away from that at any time they wish. Why not call it a dominant/submissive (certainly not a slave!) agreement so that the term is more accurate?

It's because the term "contract" sounds more "real". Same as the term "forced" sounds more "real". Same as the term "pony play" sounds more "real". Same as the term "slave" sounds more "real". But they are all good descriptions of what kind of PLAY is involved. That is all it is! Why get hung up over it?

edited to say that though the OP used the term "forced oral" I went with "forced bi" since it seems that that is the one that ususlly comes up on the boards. My view about the "forced" part remains the same regardless.

< Message edited by igor2003 -- 4/8/2009 10:06:47 PM >

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/9/2009 12:25:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ManyMoodz

Can someone please explain what exactly this means/ how can it be forced if the "male'' sub enjoys doing it????.....  (feel free to put in your two cents) 

Cheers..
Ms.Di 



UH Is this a trick question? 
Can you force someone to do something they dont like?  HELL ya I can.  As Ive said in the past  This is gonna hurt you a lot more than me.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/9/2009 1:08:14 AM   
colouredin


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Status: offline 		I take forced in this context to mean 'rough' or something like that, where the sub doesnt have much control, they do have to have an element of wanting to please or whatever because otherwise yeah you cant really force someone to not bite but you can force someone who is submissive to you to give you a blow job or whatever when they would rather be sleeping/eating/watching tv, I know ive been there, but generally the desire to do it is still buried somewhere.

Its physically forcing someones head there and controling rhythm speed etc.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/9/2009 7:56:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

'Forced' as it's used on this site is generally just a misuse of the term for someone who doesn't want to take responsibility for something they want to do.  "Forced' oral, 'forced' bi, blah, blah, blah.  I think it's probably insulting to someone who has actually been forced in any uncool fashion. 
Davan
Technically, that isn't true.  If you have a submissive who you know is not into oral sex and you force her mouth to your cock or to your cunt in a rough fashion, then you have used the force of your physical make-up along with the force of the agreement she entered into with you---the one that stated that you did not like it but it was not a hard limit and could therefore be compelled by the dominant---along with the force of your own dominance over her/him to do something. 
Taking something, whether by physical force or mental force or emotional force...even when what is taken is wanting to be given anyway...is still taking it when compulsion takes place.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/9/2009 7:59:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tend to associate "forced oral with a man" from a male submissive as that he wants to be verbally humiliated. I associate "forced" oral between a dominant and a submissive (of either gender) to mean that it is done roughly/forcefully, not that the submissive doesn't want to do it.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/9/2009 8:03:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DefiantFlower

This doesn't necessarily have to be role playing or pretend or trying to pawn off responsibility of one's actions.

It could simply be an easier way of describing an act. He grabs a handful of her hair, yanks her to her knees, jerks her head back a bit for a nice angle, adds in a few smacks to make sure she knows it's happening regardless, and gets on with the show.

Many people actually...gasp...like this kinda stuff! While technically, this isn't Webster's definition of "force," it isn't exactly Grandma's fluffy froofroo either.



True, which I do realize that are many variations between your example and mine!


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