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RE: *forced* oral - 4/9/2009 10:14:48 AM

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I'm not surprised to see the typical responses saying that it's impossible to "force" someone to do something that they enjoy doing. This is actually pretty shallow reasoning. It assumes that you're ALWAYS ready, willing, and actually desiring to do it. The simple fact is that if you don't ALWAYS wish to do something, then it's possible to be forced.

For those who insist on a narrow definition of "forced", I'm not going to get into that discussion except to say that there are different levels of force, and the word "coerced" is probably a better one to use in this context.

Enjoying a particular activity doesn't mean you ALWAYS want to do it, and there's NEVER anything else you'd rather be doing, and you'd love to do it FOREVER. There's a constancy issue: even if you generally like it, there are plenty of times that you really don't feel like doing it. You might be tired, or be in the middle of something else that you don't want to interrupt. There's also a duration issue: you might enjoy doing it for 5 or 10 minutes, but after 15 minutes you've had enough, and an hour becomes torture.

There are plenty of situations She could require him to service her orally when he's watching the end of an exciting football, baseball, or basketball game. Or she could use teasing and orgasm denial, along with bondage or a chastity device, to get him aroused to the point of incoherence, and then make him perform for her until she has several orgasms, while what he really wants is release. Or she could do almost the opposite: bring him to orgasm, and then, when a male's desire for sex has generally subsided, require an extended period of oral sex from him.

In general, the fact that you enjoy something doesn't mean that you can't be forced to do it. You might really like what you do for work, but what if you have important personal weekend plans, and are told you have to work or you'll lose your job? Are you being "forced" to work? I would say yes. You're certainly being coerced, and in our context, forced means the same thing.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/9/2009 11:54:49 AM

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I hate cleaning the bathroom. Yet I allow myself to be forced to do it in exchange for any number of things e.g to win favor, to avoid punishment, to earn a reward, etc.

I have never been forced to give oral, and don't feel that I desire to do so. However if I were forced I probably would do it for the same reasons that I clean the bathroom.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/10/2009 10:20:51 AM

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A slightly different twist on the forced role play. I truely *love* to deep throat another man. My Mistress knows this is something I crave. So for a special reward Mistress is planning to take me to a local on my leash to find a couple of hot guys. She will stay with me to make sure things don't get out of control, but let the men using me assume this is a punishment.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/10/2009 4:39:14 PM

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Perhaps it some also love the game of refusing until the lady totally breakls me and forcers me to do it. sort of gamer in me, but while I truly love doing it in a vanilla (or semi-vanilla) setting, Even more, I enjoy being broken by torture until I gladly do it as a means of momentarily ending the pain. Sensible? About as sensible as hoping to be flogged or hideously clamped.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/10/2009 4:40:32 PM

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And by the way, how did you like my typos?

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/10/2009 6:52:00 PM

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There was recently a 50 page or so thread revolving around straight men sucking cock, at the behest of their ladies. You might find the forums a bit exhausted, but some how this topic is always a crowd pleaser. Sicko perverts, I tell you.

In the issue of "forced" acts, I maintain the very boring position that "force" is not a binary factor. There is an amount of force added, and if its enough, the submissive man is pushed past the tipping point, onto his knees. Yes, there are some who want it so bad, they just need someone else to offer them the chance, and some who are 100% adamantly against it (but still not a limit), and do it with disdain and hate, but their owner's will be done, and so it is done... But most of the time its an issue of a dominant providing ENOUGH force for the action to occur.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/12/2009 10:34:03 AM

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couldn't have said it better myself.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/12/2009 12:54:40 PM

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You can do things you dislike simply because you dislike the alternative more. Do this or the relationship ends is an example of force. Do this or take a punishment you're terrified of is another. You choose between two evils which doesn't mean you want to do either. Of course if this happens enough, the person will then walk but only after the damage has been done.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/12/2009 7:22:19 PM

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I enjoy giving oral sex, but when S. has me tied down, grabs my hair, opens my mouth and then throat fucks me until I can’t breathe and I gag and get panicky, it is definitely forced. I hate it and would never volunteer for it.
But there is that whole submission/ satisfaction in pleasing him thing going on.

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/13/2009 5:54:22 AM

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The main factor of the "forced" oral, is that it is under the Dominant's instruction/direction.

Whether the sub enjoys it or not, the verbal instruction or physical aspect, has to work for it to feel a forced activity

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/13/2009 6:45:08 AM

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ahhh the things us sub males have to do to please our mistresses

have fun mal

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/24/2009 8:27:10 PM

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forced oral...
is that when you MAKE him answer..........??

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RE: *forced* oral - 4/24/2009 9:11:40 PM

evilgagger

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Using force to satisfy my sexual urges really does it for me. When she is not enjoying it and feeling panicky, uncomfortable and miserable, even applying pain to put the icing on the cake is what really turns me on.

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RE: *forced* oral - 6/22/2009 9:12:00 PM

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Forced? NO WAY... unless there's a health issue such as soured milk or 4 day old tuna that's been baked in the sun. Aside from those extreme scenarios, it 'should' be a reward and honor for the "Lady's" sub/slave to provide Her with as much pleasue as She desires... So as to "forced"... go ahead... force me, PLEASE?

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RE: *forced* oral - 6/22/2009 10:48:41 PM

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I actually confronted this in a relationship of mine.
The girl said she was straight. Now, I have been aware for a bit that some people's definition of straight have, shall we say, some elasticity to the sides, so when the three of us were in bed focusing on the male, and she started doing things that most women find to be arousing, I rather naturally went with the moment.

Come to find out later, she did it because, as a submissive, she wanted to please me, but she had no desire for me sexually on her own.

I nearly was physically sick, and spent a day near tears before I could talk it out with her and explain that was something that wasn't acceptable to me at all as a dominant woman. Nobody has sex with me because they "have" to. And that's my hard limit.

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RE: *forced* oral - 6/22/2009 11:44:58 PM

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Or if they wanted to continue to enjoy the relationship with a Dom they would do as they were told and suck away... To me that would be forced.

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RE: *forced* oral - 6/22/2009 11:49:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ManyMoodz

Can someone please explain what exactly this means/ how can it be forced if the "male'' sub enjoys doing it????..... (feel free to put in your two cents)

Cheers..
Ms.Di

how can anything be 'forced' if its consensual?

well...technically it can't be...but it can be rough enough to fool an outside observer.

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RE: *forced* oral - 6/23/2009 4:46:58 AM

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For the most part, "forced" anything in BDSM or kink is the equivilent of ol' Braer Rabbit in the Uncle Remus stories, bound up in tar, feigning dismay at the thought of being thrown into the briar patch... (where of course, is exactly where he wants to go, in order to escape.) Subs are often this same way.

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RE: *forced* oral - 6/23/2009 7:51:13 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

Forced to many out here is more of a fantasy word used to blame someone else for making them do something .. The 95 pound 4-8 inch woman forcing the 5-11 210lb male to get on his knees to perform something he would naturally never do.

Just an unrelated thought, there are many ways beyong physical force to coerce someone into doing something, including but not limited to

Financial debt
Blackmail
Keeping a friend or loved one hostage
Holding a gun
Hypnosis
Tranquilizers
Bondage

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RE: *forced* oral - 6/23/2009 8:06:51 AM

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Interesting how people view some of this. I consent to be given tickets by cops but only under threat of losing the ability to drive a car.

"I consent to eating strawberries" is a vastly different form of consent than "I will do X only because if I don't you will leave me"

For ME, what is hot is forcing someone to do something they don't want to do but will do ONLY for me and they know it is something I strongly desire. Now you can quibble over how much "force" is involved but it is far more than required to make them eat strawberries but certainly less than it might take to rape a stranger although even that has a bell curve.

That and knowing where that razor's edge of pushing to far and damaging a relationship and pushing and dangling over the edge and making it all hotter.

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