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Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 6:22:20 PM   
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       We can't know exactly what the Captain of the Maersk Alabama was expecting when he leaped into the sea from the lifeboat where he was being held hostage by Somali pirates.  I hope he survives to tell the story in freedom.  Whatever he thought would be there to catch him, wasn't.

      Frankly, I don't buy the excuses in the news story.  No divers because both boats are moving?  The lifeboat is drifting without power.  No time to give cover fire?  Was there anybody manning the gun?   Far more likely, in my view, it's because the situation is being handled in the wrong way, by the wrong people.  The FBI, from thousands of miles away, instead of the military on the scene.

       This strange incident off the east coast of Africa is shaping up to be that first test of our new President we knew would come.  This is a bad start to that test.

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 6:41:47 PM   
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So what would Sergeant swagger do?

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 6:44:09 PM   
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So what would Sergeant swagger do?

Bomb Iraq?

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 6:46:14 PM   
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So what would Sergeant swagger do?

Bomb Iraq?


Nooo, we're already there.  He'd go for another country that's very very involved in harboring the pirates, like... Canada!  Particularly the great port of Winnepeg Manitoba.


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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 6:49:29 PM   
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     Hmmm.  Personal attacks and attempts to change the subject, right off the bat...

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 6:52:23 PM   
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So what would Sergeant swagger do?

Bomb Iraq?


Nooo, we're already there.  He'd go for another country that's very very involved in harboring the pirates, like... Canada!  Particularly the great port of Winnepeg Manitoba.



Damn Canadians.  I hear it's a training ground for pirates. 

Plus they have OIL! 

Yeah, let's bomb Canada! (but store up plenty of maple syrup and gravy-flavored potato chips first)

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 6:53:58 PM   
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    Hmmm.  Personal attacks and attempts to change the subject, right off the bat...

You talkin' to me, or Owner?

(neither of which attacked you personally, btw.  Read more closely)

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 6:57:07 PM   
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I'm reserving judgment until the story is over.

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 7:29:09 PM   
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I'm reserving judgment until the story is over.



        Well, that is the problem, DC.  It should BE over.  The hostage was off the boat.  The pirates fired weapons.  The US Navy has a modern destroyer right on top of them.  There are a lot of ways that hand can be played, and sitting there with your thumb up your ass is the worst.  That includes the hostage getting killed in his escape attempt.

       This is much bigger than one guy on a boat.  It goes all the way up to what the rest of the world is going to think of our new President.  WTF!?  The FRENCH get this stuff, for crying out loud!

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 7:35:01 PM   
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Yes clearly this is all President Obama's fault.  Damn him for sitting on that Navy destroyer with his thumb up his ass!


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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 7:52:33 PM   
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      So who do you figure tells the Navy what the mission is, and sends in the FBI?  Or at least has both in his job description?

   

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 7:57:37 PM   
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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 7:59:22 PM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090410/wl_africa_afp/somaliapiracyshipping


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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 8:02:22 PM   
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     So who do you figure tells the Navy what the mission is, and sends in the FBI?  Or at least has both in his job description?


I figure a Navy admiral or something wrote the mission specs, and recommended FBI assistance, and cleared it with the Chief of Naval Operations, and advised the President.  But what do I know.

I'd be interested in where you found "determine Navy missions" in the job description for POTUS.

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 8:03:35 PM   
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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 8:04:55 PM   
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I'm reserving judgment until the story is over.



      Well, that is the problem, DC.  It should BE over.  The hostage was off the boat.  The pirates fired weapons.  The US Navy has a modern destroyer right on top of them.  There are a lot of ways that hand can be played, and sitting there with your thumb up your ass is the worst.  That includes the hostage getting killed in his escape attempt.

     This is much bigger than one guy on a boat.  It goes all the way up to what the rest of the world is going to think of our new President.  WTF!?  The FRENCH get this stuff, for crying out loud!


I don't know if killing one of the hostages they were trying to rescue could really be called getting it right.

Frankly, I don't see many ways this hand can be played. I only see a couple, and it looks like the Powers That Be have chosen the gambit that they judge is least likely to get the hostage killed. They're in a boat in the middle of the ocean; there's no conceivable way to sneak up on them and surprise them suddenly enough to ensure they don't pop a round into the captain. I think at some point, it's going to come down to where that is their only option, but as long as he's still alive and the situation is not overtly escalating, we're not at that point yet. Short of coming up under them with a submarine and capsizing the boat, I'm not sure what more they can do but wait for something to change.

Why they didn't take the pirates out last night when he jumped over the side, I have no idea. I'm guessing that whoever's on the trigger on that destroyer has been given strict rules of engagement by an overly-cautious commanding officer, and were not allowed to shoot without explicit orders. It sounds like it happened so fast, somebody seriously blew a golden opportunity. I'm willing to bet body parts that there are snipers on the trigger pretty much round the clock now, and every single nuance of the pirates' emotional states and body language is being meticulously scrutinized, constantly. I'm sure (or at least,  I would hope) that if another such opportunity presents itself (which seems unlikely now), it won't be wasted again; and if there appears to be any significant escalation of tensions or sudden change in the pirates' demeanor,  I would think there's a good chance the commander on the scene will make the split-second call and try to take them out.

It's not an easy task, though, even for a team of experienced snipers - getting clear shots and dropping several targets all at once, while they're bobbing around in a boat in the middle of an ocean. That moment last night when the one guy they didn't want to shoot was in the ocean, and all the others were still in the boat, was as good as it gets. I'll bet there are people on that destroyer who need crutches right now from kicking themselves in the ass so much over the way they dropped the ball there.

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 8:06:50 PM   
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I'd be interested in where you found "determine Navy missions" in the job description for POTUS.




      Ummm, that would be the part about 'Commander in Chief,' Cagey. 

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 8:12:20 PM   
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I'd be interested in where you found "determine Navy missions" in the job description for POTUS.




     Ummm, that would be the part about 'Commander in Chief,' Cagey. 


Ummm, I suppose you also think "CEO" means "manage IT projects" too?  You really think the POTUS writes mission specs for the Navy?

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 8:22:58 PM   
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      Is the IT project going to have a major impact on how the company is viewed by the rest of the world?

     Yes, Cagey, in this situation, it would be completely proper for the CIC to be in the loop.

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RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 8:29:32 PM   
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Moved the goalposts, nice try!  Before it was determining Naval missions, now it's "in the loop".  (I already covered 'in the loop' in my explanation above, so you're agreeing with me now--good job!)

(btw, even with major impacts, CEO's don't manage IT projects.  Nice try there too)

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