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kitteneedsmate -> Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 9:07:36 AM)

I am about to be collared and my Master to be does not want us to have a contract.  Are there any good sources to find a contract template and what advise do you feel  i need ?  Is a contract necessary??    Thanks for your answers and guidance




akisha -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 9:09:42 AM)

A contract is only neccessary if you feel it is neccessary.

There are a few good templates if you google BDSM contracts, but everything needs to be adjusted to suit your relationship. There is no one size fits all in this lifestyle.





VeryNastyDom -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 9:11:53 AM)

The simple answer is no.  There should be a clear understanding on both your parts about what kind of relationship this will be, but you do not need to reduce it to writing unless one party of the other thinks it necessary.  As a practical matter, much of what is contained in contracts is unenforceable in law so you are really just memorializing your verbal agreement.  Only you can decide if a clear verbal discussion is sufficient for the purpose.




subtlebutterfly -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 9:15:10 AM)

My opinion: bdsm contracts are BS and a waste of time. The only thing they're useful for is to serve as guidelines on how the relationship's supposed to function but to be honest I wouldn't need a contract for that.. if they felt the need they could just print out instructions and frame it on the wall.
The only contract I'd ever sign with a partner, that has something to do with the relationship itself, would be a prenuptial.




GoddessTeaze -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 9:17:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

I am about to be collared and my Master to be does not want us to have a contract.  Are there any good sources to find a contract template and what advise do you feel  i need ?  Is a contract necessary??    Thanks for your answers and guidance


What do you think it will add to your collaring & relationship kitteneedsmate ?

Maybe you can answer that one first.

Good communication before the collaring, about expectations,
wants/needs is what's needed, and when that's all sort out,
then good communication stays needed to
work on the relationship !

I wish you enough.

GoddezzT`




kitteneedsmate -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 9:22:29 AM)

Thank you all for your comments and advise.  i guess what i am most concerned about  are some asserts i have  that i want to go to my children and grandchildren  so i guess the comment on a "prenup" type of agreement would be best. However, i do not think my Master  would want that .  any other suggestions??  




antipode -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 9:29:49 AM)

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some asserts i have that i want to go to my children and grandchildren


That has nothing to do with BDSM contracts. Depending on where you live (are you saying you are getting married?? that's a different kettle of fish) your property is and remains inalienably your own, countries and states with community property law excepted, and TX isn't one of those (and then it often depends not on where you are getting married, but where you're getting divorced). But you're being silly asking this here - see an attourney, and if you haven't, make a will while you're doing that. Legal advice you should know to seek with a professional, an an initial consultation is not expensive, and often free.




GoddessTeaze -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 9:32:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

Thank you all for your comments and advise.  i guess what i am most concerned about  are some asserts i have  that i want to go to my children and grandchildren  so i guess the comment on a "prenup" type of agreement would be best. However, i do not think my Master  would want that .  any other suggestions??  


What do you mean with  asserts, do you mean
valuable stuff? There is a difference between collaring & marriage right?!
When you're going to be married, you can write down what's yours
and his, but with a collaring, that won't hold stand in court,
because that's not official, in the name of the Law.

Warm Greetingz

GoddezzT`




kitteneedsmate -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 9:39:47 AM)

thank you all again  for the comments.  i am not getting married.....  i will just be collared and OWNED  ( and live with Master) and everything have is to become Masters  but as i said  i was wondering about some funds i have.  i do have a will and all goes to my children upon my death.  but  master wants to have me sell some securities i have and says they are now his.  i was just wondering if this was something that was the norm  or if He is trying to do something that  is not normally done




subtlebutterfly -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 10:06:25 AM)

Being collared and owned..you can't make a contract that has any legal grounds. Prenuptial is only for marriage (as far as I know).
And excuse me but "master wants to have me sell some securities i have and says they are now his" seriously........ don't do it.
What if the relationship doesn't work out for you, then wops yeah..you gave your master every dime you had..to bad.[>:]

oh and if he doesn't want you to choose what you do with your assets..whether you give it to him or you CHILDREN/grandchildren I mean seriously...prick...red flag..red flag..red flag..red flag..red flag..red flag..red flag..red flag..

but then I don't know anything about slaves and all I'm saying is that this whole thing sounds...wrong[8|]




akisha -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 10:19:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

thank you all again  for the comments.  i am not getting married.....  i will just be collared and OWNED  ( and live with Master) and everything have is to become Masters  but as i said  i was wondering about some funds i have.  i do have a will and all goes to my children upon my death.  but  master wants to have me sell some securities i have and says they are now his.  i was just wondering if this was something that was the norm  or if He is trying to do something that  is not normally done




Ok just me here but the part I bolded and underlined would be a HUGE hard limit for me.

What do you have left if in a year he decides to kick you to the curb and has taken all your back up financing??

Always Always Always have a back up plan.

Talk to any divorce lawyer or marriage councellor etc etc etc.

A person should have atleast enough money in an account in their own name so that if need be they can rent an apartment and live for atleast a month or two while they find work.

You really want to leave yourself in a position where if you need to leave that you would have to depend on a shelter and social assistance or family and freinds?




Mercnbeth -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 10:49:52 AM)

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Contracts.. are they necessary

Absolutely not.

We happen to have one, and I'll be happy to provide some of the reasons why we do, and why we still enjoy having it after our long time together.

The reasoning that went into doing it was simple. A LOT can be said and discussed when two people get together. A LOT of assumptions can be made about expectations. A LOT gets muddled and ignored in the face of relationship 'frenzy'. Going through the exercise of putting together a 'contract' provides a opportunity to document those things going into the relationship for reference.

It was as academic an exercise that we could make it at the time inconsideration of the sexual and personal 'frenzy' either or both of us were feeling. It isn't as one sided as it sounds with the submissive signing away full authority with no consideration of the responsibilities of the Dominant partner.

Ideally the finished product is a documentation of the relationship that BOTH parties serve. We looked at every internet published version of them when we started the process including the legendary '128 Rules of Submission'. We borrowed, created, enhanced, and personalized and our 'Contract' complete with watermarked illustration is the result. Not perfect, not unique, not without the error of not taking into account different living circumstances; but something we both  point to as the product of two strong, self aware, and determined people to live out a life that, until that point, was masturbatory fantasy fodder.

The process is as important, if not more important, than the resulting document. If for no other reason, the lack of enforcement. You come through the process with as many 'projecting out' questions answered. You set 'rules' and 'protocols' that endear you to each other and the relationship. You set the tone for 24/7 foreplay that can be triggered with a glance. Worthy results and worth the effort; but again - not a requirement to generate the result that it did with us. Its a tool, useful to some, a waste of time for others - your decision and either way, not a 'one true path' for a long term relationship or long term happiness.

Back to contracts - We take ours very seriously. We both signed it. We put it in a nice frame and display it proudly. We try our best to live by it's intent, if not its detail, every second of the day. Who can say if the contract was contributory to where we are today. I think it contributed to forming a intimate knowledge base of the other. I think that in discussing the details and expectations we both had to be comfortable being 'naked' in front of the other beyond the elementary level of clothing. Then again we think we have a 'successful relationship'; another's perspective may reference it as being misogynistic, abusive, and manipulating. Even if it is considered a 'success' today, as of this second; the skeptics are right to point out - the game of 'Life' is ongoing and only death declares 'winners' in the relationship game.

Bringing up the final point, if you do or don't have a contract; the decision should be yours. What you get or don't get out of it, is also yours. The discussion about it with your partner, if nothing else, helps you learn about them. If you get nothing else out of the discussion you've had so far, its served a similar process of benchmarking the priorities of your partner and his expectations.

In beth's case - I told her signing the contract would be one of the last major decisions she'd need to make.  To her, that was 'utopia'; as it turns out - it has been that for me too. But if she didn't sign it, it would have still been worth the effort. The process expedited the decision to go forward together or not; pragmatically not a waste of time considering either potential outcome.  

Good Luck!




DesFIP -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 10:58:01 AM)

I've always thought the most useful part of having a contract is in the writing it out. You're forced to explain what you mean which lessens chances of misunderstandings.

We don't have one. He did for the first play meet write down all my listed hard limits so I could be sure he hadn't forgotten any. Have no idea where it is now.




SailingBum -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:11:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

I am about to be collared and my Master to be does not want us to have a contract.  Are there any good sources to find a contract template and what advise do you feel  i need ?  Is a contract necessary??    Thanks for your answers and guidance


FR I read the 1st post only

gotta love it questioning your studs authority, guidance already.  You have your answer already whether you want, think, desire one or not.

Rather than trust my mans judgement who I will presume you have known longer than a week or three.  I will ask a bunch of complete strangers what I should do.

I do wish you well.  BadOne




thishereboi -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:17:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: akisha

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

thank you all again  for the comments.  i am not getting married.....  i will just be collared and OWNED  ( and live with Master) and everything have is to become Masters  but as i said  i was wondering about some funds i have.  i do have a will and all goes to my children upon my death.  but  master wants to have me sell some securities i have and says they are now his.  i was just wondering if this was something that was the norm  or if He is trying to do something that  is not normally done




Ok just me here but the part I bolded and underlined would be a HUGE hard limit for me.

What do you have left if in a year he decides to kick you to the curb and has taken all your back up financing??

Always Always Always have a back up plan.

Talk to any divorce lawyer or marriage councellor etc etc etc.

A person should have atleast enough money in an account in their own name so that if need be they can rent an apartment and live for atleast a month or two while they find work.

You really want to leave yourself in a position where if you need to leave that you would have to depend on a shelter and social assistance or family and freinds?



I totally agree with you. That would be a total red flag for me.




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:17:42 AM)

Stop asking strangers about things your master said no to, and just do as he says. You're supposed to be agreeing to his being the authority in this relationship* I am assuming*, so act like it.


And no I don't believe contracts are nessesary.
quote:

ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

I am about to be collared and my Master to be does not want us to have a contract.  Are there any good sources to find a contract template and what advise do you feel  i need ?  Is a contract necessary??    Thanks for your answers and guidance




thishereboi -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:18:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

Stop asking strangers about things your master said no to, and just do as he says. You're supposed to be agreeing to his being the authority in this relationship* I am assuming*, so act like it.


And no I don't believe contracts are nessesary.
quote:

ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

I am about to be collared and my Master to be does not want us to have a contract.  Are there any good sources to find a contract template and what advise do you feel  i need ?  Is a contract necessary??    Thanks for your answers and guidance



so should she cash in all her securities or just some of them? Wait I know, she should ask her master how much he wants to blow this week and go from there.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:25:34 AM)

Contracts in bdsm as like a sheet of toilet paper with the tp having more value, maybe one just to makes the slave or sub feel better about it all, maybe a mental value but absolutely no value at all in the eyes of the law.....bounty




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:25:43 AM)

they are not his untill you agree they're his , he can not forceably take them from you and if not selling them is important, and he's forcing it then he's probably not the right man for you and I would move on.
quote:

ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

thank you all again  for the comments.  i am not getting married.....  i will just be collared and OWNED  ( and live with Master) and everything have is to become Masters  but as i said  i was wondering about some funds i have.  i do have a will and all goes to my children upon my death.  but  master wants to have me sell some securities i have and says they are now his.  i was just wondering if this was something that was the norm  or if He is trying to do something that  is not normally done





Lockit -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:27:34 AM)

Whoa... how long have you known or been with this dominant?  Is there a basis for sharing your income or assets from before he came along?  Anyone can call themselves a dominant and set out to make a living on submissive's with assets. 

If you are asking this and know he doesn't want a contract (no paper trail) and he has already addressed wanting you to turn over some of your assets, I would be reconsidering the whole situation if we haven't been together for long.  You clearly feel something is amiss and don't trust something.

Not every relationship in bdsm includes turning over assets or income.  Unless you trust the person and are realistic about it all and know that you have a right to say no... you need to really think about this.  If he isn't on the up and up... think about this.  How much is a temporary collar worth to you?  About the worth of your assets he has demanded?

What has he given or done to prove he is who he claims to be?  Being smart is a real asset to most dominant's.  It isn't smart to give up assets in many situations.

Edit to add... don't be so hungry to be owned, collared and live with a dominant that you give away commone sense, brain cells and your assets.  That is how many con men/women work.  They work on your vulnerability!  Wake up!




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