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VeryNastyDom -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:46:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

Master wants to have me sell some securities i have and says they are now his.  i was just wondering if this was something that was the norm  or if He is trying to do something that  is not normally done


Commingling and legally transferring assets is perfectly normal in a marriage; it is not typical in other situations.  If you are OK with giving your accumulated wealth to Master, knowing that he might send you away in six months, then go ahead.  However, if not then you need to think this through.  Since this would be a voluntary transfer, and you have no spousal rights in most states, the money is his to keep.

There are alternatives, including holding the assets in trust accounts and joint ownership arrangements between you and your children.  If the amount of money we are talking about her is substantial, it might be time to find yourself a lawyer. 




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:47:28 AM)

No she should stop asking strangers are contracts necessary, when her master has said they're not. If you're a slave  hell a person entering a relationship you should discuss it with him, and if you're a slave then  what ever strangers say about it, means diddly shit, his word on the subject and his role as your master* contracts* are the final say. Unless of course you refuse his collar and step away from the relationship


I responded seperatly to the he says sell my stock things my commentwas entirely and totally about her asking other people something her master already told her.."
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

Stop asking strangers about things your master said no to, and just do as he says. You're supposed to be agreeing to his being the authority in this relationship* I am assuming*, so act like it.


And no I don't believe contracts are nessesary.
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ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

I am about to be collared and my Master to be does not want us to have a contract.  Are there any good sources to find a contract template and what advise do you feel  i need ?  Is a contract necessary??    Thanks for your answers and guidance



so should she cash in all her securities or just some of them? Wait I know, she should ask her master how much he wants to blow this week and go from there.




blushingflower -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:51:55 AM)

If you think a contract is necessary and he doesn't, then maybe you need to reconsider accepting his collar.




sirsholly -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:54:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

Stop asking strangers about things your master said no to, and just do as he says. You're supposed to be agreeing to his being the authority in this relationship* I am assuming*, so act like it.


And no I don't believe contracts are nessesary.
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ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

I am about to be collared and my Master to be does not want us to have a contract.  Are there any good sources to find a contract template and what advise do you feel  i need ?  Is a contract necessary??    Thanks for your answers and guidance



so should she cash in all her securities or just some of them? Wait I know, she should ask her master how much he wants to blow this week and go from there.
Oh sure YHMA...she should just do whatever the hell he says [8|]

OP...a relationship, of whatever dynamic, does not mean you leave your common sense at the door.

Asking you to turn over securities that are earmarked for you children/grandchildren is a HUGE red flag. Do it and you may end up with nothing...and you will have no recourse.




subtlebutterfly -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:56:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

No she should stop asking strangers are contracts necessary, when her master has said they're not. If you're a slave  hell a person entering a relationship you should discuss it with him, and if you're a slave then  what ever strangers say about it, means diddly shit, his word on the subject and his role as your master* contracts* are the final say. Unless of course you refuse his collar and step away from the relationship


I responded seperatly to the he says sell my stock things my commentwas entirely and totally about her asking other people something her master already told her..

So a person should always follow their master and never question anything he says even though he may belong in a lunatic asylum?
Interesting.




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 11:59:46 AM)

, but I was replying to her comment master says they're not necessary are they, because I feel if you're going to be a slave to someone, then questioning his authority on a public board by asking are they necessary when he said for this relationship they're not, is not an action in accordance to agreeing to accept his authority in the matter. strangers can't over rule your Master's decision in this issue, and even if strangers said yes they are absolutely necessary you can't do bdsm with out them, who's in charge the strangers or the "Master" And what are you going to say, sorry Master so and so but a dozen of strangers on the net said they are necessary and you can't do bdsm with out them, so I am going to listen to their opinion over your judgment of what's necessary in our relationship?

not that she just say yes master and hand over anything he asks of her.
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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

Stop asking strangers about things your master said no to, and just do as he says. You're supposed to be agreeing to his being the authority in this relationship* I am assuming*, so act like it.


And no I don't believe contracts are nessesary.
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ORIGINAL: kitteneedsmate

I am about to be collared and my Master to be does not want us to have a contract.  Are there any good sources to find a contract template and what advise do you feel  i need ?  Is a contract necessary??    Thanks for your answers and guidance



so should she cash in all her securities or just some of them? Wait I know, she should ask her master how much he wants to blow this week and go from there.
Oh sure YHMA...she should just do whatever the hell he says [8|]

OP...a relationship, of whatever dynamic, does not mean you leave your common sense at the door.

Asking you to turn over securities that are earmarked for you children/grandchildren is a HUGE red flag. Do it and you may end up with nothing...and you will have no recourse.





Lockit -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:00:25 PM)

YourhandandMyAss... how do you know her dominant isn't a stranger too?  She isn't collared yet... Maybe her head is spinning and need gets mixed in there and she needs to temper herself becasue she has a man filling her head with what bdsm is all about.

I know... she should be able to handle this on her own, but she is here and wants input.

Mine would be to stop being needy and ignorant and run!  Or get very informed really fast!




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:02:20 PM)

No, they shouldn't ask strangers on a message board if contracts are necessary to a relationship, those strangers are not in. What is she going to do if they said yeah contracts are necessary you can't have a Master or do bdsm or have any kind of kinky life with out one, , tell her master, no sorry I'm not going to listen to your guideline to our relationship because strangers on the net tell me their opinion matters more thank your ruleing.




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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

No she should stop asking strangers are contracts necessary, when her master has said they're not. If you're a slave  hell a person entering a relationship you should discuss it with him, and if you're a slave then  what ever strangers say about it, means diddly shit, his word on the subject and his role as your master* contracts* are the final say. Unless of course you refuse his collar and step away from the relationship


I responded seperatly to the he says sell my stock things my commentwas entirely and totally about her asking other people something her master already told her..

So a person should always follow their master and never question anything he says even though he may belong in a lunatic asylum?
Interesting.





YourhandMyAss -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:04:21 PM)

lockit, well we don't. But that's another huge can of worms in itself.,
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ORIGINAL: Lockit

YourhandandMyAss... how do you know her dominant isn't a stranger too?  She isn't collared yet... Maybe her head is spinning and need gets mixed in there and she needs to temper herself becasue she has a man filling her head with what bdsm is all about.

I know... she should be able to handle this on her own, but she is here and wants input.

Mine would be to stop being needy and ignorant and run!  Or get very informed really fast!




sirsholly -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:05:11 PM)

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strangers can't over rule your Master's decision in this issue, and even if strangers said yes they are absolutely necessary you can't do bdsm with out them, who's in charge the strangers or the "Master" And what are you going to say, sorry Master so and so but a dozen of strangers on the net said they are necessary and you can't do bdsm with out them, so I am going to listen to their opinion over your judgment of what's necessary in our relationship?

no one is saying a stranger can over rule anything. What the OP is seeking is ADVICE, not an authoritative figure to come in and take control.

And who is in charge...the OP is in charge here! She is not collared to this dude, and even if she was, her decision to her well being (and finances) are ultimately up to her .
Yes..he may make decisions for her, but it is HER decision that he do so




subtlebutterfly -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:07:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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strangers can't over rule your Master's decision in this issue, and even if strangers said yes they are absolutely necessary you can't do bdsm with out them, who's in charge the strangers or the "Master" And what are you going to say, sorry Master so and so but a dozen of strangers on the net said they are necessary and you can't do bdsm with out them, so I am going to listen to their opinion over your judgment of what's necessary in our relationship?

no one is saying a stranger can over rule anything. What the OP is seeking is ADVICE, not an authoritative figure to come in and take control.

And who is in charge...the OP is in charge here! She is not collared to this dude, and even if she was, her decision to her well being (and finances) are ultimately up to her .
Yes..he may make decisions for her, but it is HER decision that he do so


you beat me to it!




subtee -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:07:41 PM)

~FR

I'm no legal genius or anything, I don't do jurisprudence for a living, not even for a hobby, but it seems to me there would have to be at least 2 of them in the contract; contract between party A and party B. If he says "no contract" what is she gonna write in the contract? And to whom? About what?

If he doesn't want in the contract then there's no contract.

[edit for a typo]




Lockit -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:08:15 PM)

This is a lonely woman who doesn't know the 'norm' of bdsm. (Her word...norm)  She is that first and formost... and not a slave unless she knowingly and fully understands what slave means to herself.  There isn't a rule book.  Some dominant's give permission to talk to others or post.  Someone playing dominant and insisting on not seeking wise counsel when someone is new or needy... is someone I would suspect and would go outside the relationship to seek counsel on.




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:09:58 PM)

She's asking people to tell her what THEY feel SHE needs, and if they say she needs a contract and "Master" Says she doesn't, then what is she going to do? Say sorry "Master" The people on the internet tell me I need a contract"

And I fully agree finaces are hers to negotiate what to do with, I did say if you don't like it you can always decline the collar and step away from the relationship, my comments are more about asking strangers about what they think she needs.

And sailing Bum made a comment similar to mine, and nobody is blowing his comment out of porportion nor making 4 or 5 comments every comment about what he said lol.

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly


no one is saying a stranger can over rule anything. What the OP is seeking is ADVICE, not an authoritative figure to come in and take control.

And who is in charge...the OP is in charge here! She is not collared to this dude, and even if she was, her decision to her well being (and finances) are ultimately up to her .
Yes..he may make decisions for her, but it is HER decision that he do so





sirsholly -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:10:41 PM)

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No, they shouldn't ask strangers on a message board if contracts are necessary to a relationship,
[sm=banghead.gif][sm=banghead.gif][sm=banghead.gif][sm=banghead.gif] UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She is seeking ADVICE!!!! She is not asking someone to take charge and make the decision for her. ADVICE!!!! That is what we all do here. We seek the input, the advice, the counsel and the experience of others!!!

And the OP damn well should be asking strangers on a message board for their thoughts and opinions if that is what she feels she needs to do!! And YOU have no business telling her, or anyone else, otherwise.

Sheeesh.




subtlebutterfly -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:12:10 PM)

She's asking for OPINIONS like almost EVERYBODY on this forum.
If she asks for advice and ALL the advices sound the same even though they may be different to her "masters" then she'll probably think it over very carefully and wonder if the masses may be RIGHT so then she perhaps might start wondering whether she should be in this relationship or not.
She's ignorant asking for an advice. We all were ignorant once, weren't we.
Like Lockit says
"This is a lonely woman who doesn't know the 'norm' of bdsm. (Her word...norm)  She is that first and formost... and not a slave unless she knowingly and fully understands what slave means to herself."




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:14:00 PM)

yeah, and most people here have said contracts are not worth shit and are useless. That mirrors her Master's opinion they're not necessary,I guess.
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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

She's asking for OPINIONS like almost EVERYBODY on this forum.
If she asks for advice and ALL the advices sound the same even though they may be different to her "masters" then I'd probably think it over carefully and wonder if the masses may be RIGHT so then she might perhaps start wondering whether she should be in this relationship or not.





subtlebutterfly -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:15:30 PM)

That's right, they say the contracts are useless but the masses are also all raising red flags to the situation she seems to be in.




sirsholly -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:20:40 PM)

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and most people here have said contracts are not worth shit and are useless.
out of the 34 posts...i read TWO negative comments. Two out of 34 qualifies as MOST??? Really?




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Contracts.. are they necessary (4/13/2009 12:21:16 PM)

yeah, everything else raises a red flag, and I never said it didn't. but like I said my comment about follow his authority, was ONLY, to the first post. Which was where she said are they necessary, she mentioned the rest like 5 posts down.

I did say later on that stuff that's yours he can't demand is his, you can always reject the collar and step away, did ya all see that part?:)
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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

That's right, they say the contracts are useless but the masses are also all raising red flags to the situation she seems to be in.




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