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9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 10:27:51 AM   
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This came up in a discussion the other day. We've had eight years almost to think about this and I have brought it up before, but not here. This is from a non-hater. I may be biased and I admit it, but I hate noone. People are just how they are. For one I believe that Semites are too wrapped up in religion, and I don't necessarily mean Jews, they are not the only Semites in the world you know. With facts in hand for over seven years I have come to a conclusion, and over here at the terminal this roomful of people had no response. Indeed I had the last word :-)

Now let's discard all the conspiracy theories for now, complicity by the government, the involvement of the Mossad "art students" and all that BS, and just go with what we know. We know the WTC was a target as well as the pentagon. Nobody knows where that other jet would've "landed" had it not crashed. But we do know where the rest of them went, so going with pure facts, let's consider the targets we do know about.

My assertion is that with three jets to use as weapons, I could've killed alot more people. Now NYC is pretty densely populated, but so are other areas of this land. To hurt us, The People there are many more viable targets I think, nuclear power plants, large agri-business, even dams. If the target was strictly the government, all the jets would've been there, possibly destorying the Whitehouse, would be easy. They could've targeted what little is left of the industry in this country, and of course there are a plethora of other possible targets, that is if you want to kill alot of people. I believe those who perpetrated the attack saw that this was not going to be an ongoing opportunity and chose their targets with great care.

Still disregarding conspiracy theories, even those based on the behavior of the falling structures at the time, and even seismic data really prove nothing. Most buildings built after a certain year in urban areas are built to be demolished. That is those guys with the dynamite can come in and knock it down with minimal collateral damage.

But which buildings to target ? Remember they attacked the WORLD trade center, not the US trade center. The foreign lobbtists are not so much in the Whitehouse, as in congress. What kind of message were they trying to send, and - is anyone listening ? The proof is not so much in what they did, but in what they could've done. If they attacked us because they hated our freedom and democracy (err republic), why not target some of our most beloved symbols of same ? The WTC has very little to do with freedom and democracy, and judging from what I've seen in my lifetime, neither does congress. It all has to do with money.

Now even with their accomplishment, which I must assume someone thought up who had a working brain, they knew they were not going to shut down the US economy, however what is little known is that they did just that. Years after the fact, Rep Paul Kanjorski revealed that there was a great hemmorage of venture capital from the markets that very day. He asserted that "By 2:00 that afternoon $5.5T would have been drawn out of the money market system of the US. This would have collapsed the entire economy of the US, and within 24 hours the world economy would've collapsed". Indeed. Not surprising, and also not surprising is that they kept that under their hat for years. He also asserts that even though they did put a stop to it, it was a precursor to what is going on now.

Failing to give credit where credit is due can lead to underestimating one's enemies. The WTC was not a national monument, nor any kind of real instrument for the public good. It was but a part of this global free, but not fair trade that is killing us. If it were the People they hated, why attack that which attacks us anyway ? What was their goal ?

Alot of people consider the attackers to have been religious fanatics, mad, crazed or whatever, but I do not believe it. Before dismissing my assertion on that, why don't you try to find enough loyal people to hijack four commercial jets on the same day and die for their cause ? Take a whirl at it, I submit that it is not that easy, and to assume that these targets were simply chosen at random is totally illogical. How many loyal operatives did the spend in this project ? Any leader worth shit will take this into consideration carefully. These people could've been out bombing shopping malls, schools and churches for years and killed plenty more people.

Really, unless you had something to do with the WTC the big blackout of a few years ago had more impact on your life than the attack on the WTC. What if that blackout would've occurred during some really cold winter months, with many people being dependant upon electricity to heat their homes ? So why didn't they knock out the power grid ?

What was the result of their actions ? They killed what about three thousand people ? That is but a drop in the bucket, they could've killed alot more. If they had done that, they would've raised more public ire, and did alot less damage to our economy. But they did not. Why ?

I believe it is because they had a good idea who they wanted to hurt, and it wasn't you and me (probably not even Merc), it was the moneychangers. Not unlike those that Jesus threw out of the temple two thousand years ago. Speaking of which, if that is considered true, how does one guy throw how many - fifty ? - people out of a place singlehandedly ? But that is another subject.

If we offhandedly dismiss our enemies as crackpots, and at the same time fail to recognize that some crackpots are highly intelligent, we are engaging in underestimation of the enemy. That is a sure fire recipe for loss in battle. That also might go a long way to explain why we haven't won a war since WW2. Look at every invasion and "police action" this country has undertaken since, not one of them really means shit. It is very hard to fight people on their home ground, and thinking that they are all stupid is quite frequently fatal.

Your thoughts ?

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 10:32:33 AM   
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For one I believe that Semites are too wrapped up in religion, and I don't necessarily mean Jews, they are not the only Semites in the world you know.



Does this include the two billion or so Christians who worship a Semitic war God?

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 10:44:08 AM   
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I believe it is because they had a good idea who they wanted to hurt, and it wasn't you and me (probably not even Merc), it was the moneychangers.


Merc is a moneychanger. They were probably after him right from the start. Maybe they figured if they took him out, the rest of it would be a walkover. Didn't turn out quite the way they'd planned, though, eh?


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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 10:52:55 AM   
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A few things not all the hijackers knew of the entire plot.  Some expected to die that day others did not.  This was the second attempt to take down the WTC in a 8 year period of time.  The first attempt failed because the Truck filled with explosives was in the wrong parking spot.  Most of the hijackers were Saudis and Bin Laden used the suffering of the Iraqi women and children due to the US pushed UN sancations as recruitment material.  Bin Laden has been pissed at the US since the first gulf war. He couldnt get over being rejected by his homeland infavor of the US.  Thats why i say 9-11 and iraq is connected but not in the way most people think.


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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 11:49:10 AM   
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Kit, I know we disagree on a bunch of points, but I am with you totally one this one. I did not mention Christians because they did not seem pertinent to the case. However they have caused their share of trouble. The holy wars and crusades were not over petroleum. It was more the imposition of ideals, and to that I am opposed. And I am an equal opportunity opposer. I oppose any Cristian tenet being embodied in the laws of any nation, this includes the anti-abortion people here, as well as those who want to incorporate Sharian law into the laws of Arab countries, as well as those who would embody Mosaic law into the laws of Israel. It is plain old wrong, and played part in the creation of this nation. As someone who knows and rsspects the rejection of these notions, my position should be clear. Everybody is up in arms almost about the imposition of Sharian law in some Arab lands. There are probably plenty of Jews in Israel who know they could make some good money working on Saturday, and would not let religion stop them. However the government of Israel seems to have a license to do whatever it damn well pleases, and I do believe it is actually illegal for some to work during the Sabbath there. Even if not, conditions imposed by others might make it quite impossible. This is what happens when people let religion, rather that clear and plain morality direct their actions. If it is wrong here, it is wrong there, but all I am concerned with is here. The rest of it is none of my business.

Panda, I am fully aware that Merc is a moneychanger, but times have changed. The world is overpopulated now to the point where we need moneychangers because the resouces do dwindle. Hunkboy comes in here every once in a while wanting to abolish the Federal Reserve system, and I am all for that. Except for one thing, eliminate 80% of the population first. That is the only way a real money system could work, as we are overstretched, no matter how ignorant people choose to be of that fact. The fact is that we really can't go back to one of those "true grit" money systems, it simply will not work. All in all, I think it a good thing that Merc escaped their plot. I think we are better off with him than without him. The others, I can't say.

As worthy of response as both of your entries may be, neither one of them addresses the spirit of the OP. Choice of targets.

Thank you for reading, but does anyone have an opinion on what I asserted in the OP ?

T

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 12:33:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		IMO  at the  min.,  the US govt was negligent to the people.    At the minimum.   The ball was dropped on so many levels.  You have valuable Manhattan real estate that was attacked once before in 1993.

Basically- we have to tell government that we do not want them to solve any more problems.  That the cost is too high.

Then back up such statements with non-participation in the scam.

Silverstein collecting 2x on terrorism insurance, then also on 7, which was imploded.  No airplane hit number 7, and ironically only Silversteins properties "suffered" claims.  Which BTW was insured by AIG.

The hole in the ground will not be rebuilt in our lifetime- and nor should it.

We don't need any more bean counters.  NONE.   The days of bean counters is over.   We need people to grow the beans, process the beans, ship the beans, and so forth.  

It is a new era.    At the min.,  the govt woefully negligent.   And, I suspect- that the event is more fraudulent and sinister then that.

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 1:04:37 PM   
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My assertion is that with three jets to use as weapons, I could've killed alot more people. Now NYC is pretty densely populated, but so are other areas of this land. To hurt us, The People there are many more viable targets I think, nuclear power plants, large agri-business, even dams. If the target was strictly the government, all the jets would've been there, possibly destorying the Whitehouse, would be easy. They could've targeted what little is left of the industry in this country, and of course there are a plethora of other possible targets, that is if you want to kill alot of people. I believe those who perpetrated the attack saw that this was not going to be an ongoing opportunity and chose their targets with great care.

They chose symbols of America with the intent of stripping away national identity. They would never go after a dam or a nuclear plant because those aren’t things the world associates with America.
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Still disregarding conspiracy theories, even those based on the behavior of the falling structures at the time, and even seismic data really prove nothing. Most buildings built after a certain year in urban areas are built to be demolished. That is those guys with the dynamite can come in and knock it down with minimal collateral damage.

Dynamite would probably not be the best choice to decommission those towers since they were in a highly built up area and considerably high, you could not control the results any better. Instead I think they would have been stripped floor by floor from the top down with cranes IMHO.
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But which buildings to target ? Remember they attacked the WORLD trade center, not the US trade center. The foreign lobbtists are not so much in the Whitehouse, as in congress. What kind of message were they trying to send, and - is anyone listening ? The proof is not so much in what they did, but in what they could've done. If they attacked us because they hated our freedom and democracy (err republic), why not target some of our most beloved symbols of same ? The WTC has very little to do with freedom and democracy, and judging from what I've seen in my lifetime, neither does congress. It all has to do with money.

Don't forget the WTC towers were a pretty easy target very slender in design with one could only imagine a heck of a sway at the very top. I know a building a fraction of the height and it's known the top floor of that building shifts by 1m in the wind. It's a good job only fat cats occupy the top floors of building because they don't need to get so much work done, it must be like being at sea.
 
We don’t have any more freedom than they had on that day to do those things. They have as much freedom as the next person so let us stop thinking they resent freedom as this will not get us close to the true understanding. It’s nonsense to paint one society as free and the next as slaves when you have no inclination to understand it.
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If it were the People they hated, why attack that which attacks us anyway ? What was their goal ?

They hate the culture and the people are part of that. They target nightclubs because people dare to have fun there drinking alcohol and dancing with bare legs. Culture clash you can’t reconcile these two different cultures.
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Alot of people consider the attackers to have been religious fanatics, mad, crazed or whatever, but I do not believe it. Before dismissing my assertion on that, why don't you try to find enough loyal people to hijack four commercial jets on the same day and die for their cause ? Take a whirl at it, I submit that it is not that easy, and to assume that these targets were simply chosen at random is totally illogical. How many loyal operatives did the spend in this project ? Any leader worth shit will take this into consideration carefully. These people could've been out bombing shopping malls, schools and churches for years and killed plenty more people.

Actually I think you’ll find it’s easy to recruit people who have a blind faith in something rather than those with an objective mind. Also crashing planes is more of a statement of co-ordinated horror. Although they could have attacked shopping malls would it have made the news in the same way and would the government have covered it up as gas explosions etc? When you see a plane fly into a building there is no one in government capable of covering that fact up or the motives behind it.
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Really, unless you had something to do with the WTC the big blackout of a few years ago had more impact on your life than the attack on the WTC. What if that blackout would've occurred during some really cold winter months, with many people being dependant upon electricity to heat their homes ? So why didn't they knock out the power grid ?

Maybe they’ll do that next.
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What was the result of their actions ?

Seriously are you saying the world is the same as before and governments haven’t started policing and controlling their citizens to a crazy degree?
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They killed what about three thousand people ? That is but a drop in the bucket, they could've killed alot more.

Oh is that all, clearly they weren’t trying hard enough.
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If they had done that, they would've raised more public ire, and did alot less damage to our economy. But they did not. Why ?

They were probably surprised with the results themselves. I’d say they planned an attack but everything on the day including inter department confusion went their way.
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I believe it is because they had a good idea who they wanted to hurt, and it wasn't you and me (probably not even Merc), it was the moneychangers. Not unlike those that Jesus threw out of the temple two thousand years ago. Speaking of which, if that is considered true, how does one guy throw how many - fifty ? - people out of a place singlehandedly ? But that is another subject.

So why did they attack the pentagon? There is no money there as far as I know?
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If we offhandedly dismiss our enemies as crackpots, and at the same time fail to recognize that some crackpots are highly intelligent, we are engaging in underestimation of the enemy. That is a sure fire recipe for loss in battle. That also might go a long way to explain why we haven't won a war since WW2. Look at every invasion and "police action" this country has undertaken since, not one of them really means shit. It is very hard to fight people on their home ground, and thinking that they are all stupid is quite frequently fatal.

Nobody wins wars everyone losses, some lose more than other but everyone losses. I always think what a terrible shame so many had to die even where WWII is concerned.

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 1:06:06 PM   
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...All in all, I think it a good thing that Merc escaped their plot. I think we are better off with him than without him...


this slave wholeheartedly agrees with you, Termyn8or, and thanks those fine folks that invented golf EVERY day.
 
as to your OP, this slave believes the targets were selected representing what those who were targeting them view as sacred to Americans.
 
this slave lived in France for a while and it was rather amusing the ideas that the average French citizen held regarding Americans.  Especially Californians.  they imagined all of us running down to the beach every day, surfing our little hearts out with our golden tans, then returning home in our huge gas-guzzling Cadillacs to the ranch house with rooms to spare.  repeat the next day and every day after that.
 
perhaps those freaks piloting the planes thought, like the misguided French that this slave ran into, that every American holds sacred the symbols of our capitalist $ system and our military might...regardless of anyone's religious affiliation...and that it would "hurt" us more than loss of life or insult to a particular religion, to have those symbols attacked/destroyed.
 
what would be the point in destroying Falwell's Liberty Baptist College or Schuller's Crystal Cathedral?  perhaps they thought that any ol' "American" doesn't necessarily have a vested interest in those particular sects, unless they belong...and it wouldn't be near as devastating to us Americans as attacking our "sacred" symbols of military or $$ strength.

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 1:13:13 PM   
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Like who would have any animosity at all toward the rulers of our day.   I just dont know what the world is coming to when people are not greatful to the masters of the universe.

Sour grapes- I say!!!    Sour grapes.   




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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 1:14:36 PM   
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Hijack over  .

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 1:18:03 PM   
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It's quite obvious that the frogs you hung out with must have been avid watchers of Santa Barbara or some other inane American soap. That's what sucks, with national generalisations. You have no idea the amount of bullshit I hear on a daily basis that's colported about "the average French citizen" by your fellow country men and women.

Hijack over  .


or KTLA.   ya hardly ever see the bad part of town on KTLA.   Gosh- you could throw in other cities as well.

We do the same thing.   Regionalism,  provincial- whatever you want to call it.

Mom used to say they wear evening gowns and go for champaigne in Chicago.    Now she lives there.[gets bored] I say to her- shouldn't you be wearing an evening gown and going out for champaigne?

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 1:38:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		bin-laden wanted to disrupt our way of life and our freedoms,draw us into a protracted war(like w/ the soviets)to bleed us out and to drive a wedge between us and our allies,to radicalize moderates(on both sides) and grow further the separation between moderates and radicals(on both sides).

All accomplished pretty much and with devastating affect.

The radicals here(the Noe-cons) did just about everything possible to oblige bin-laden.

If a bin-laden had declared that we put the Constitution on hold,abandon almost every rule of civil society and be become as radical as anyone else in the world,we`d have said go piss off.

Who knew that is would be Americans who carried out those dark, dubious declarations?

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 2:16:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rep Paul Kanjorski, is in this neck of the woods.  He is pretty corrupt.     He turned me off in a way that I wont vote for him.  I forget what the item was.

I did vote for him once.  Being that he brought alot of road money to PA.  So going for the bacon, I thought he was ok then.

My memory isnt too good right now. But is he the one that the people voted for the one guy- but then a slight of hand- some other guy stepped in, and then was the 'elected" one?

Anyhow-  I dont want his road money. He needs to be fired.  As does Arlen Specter.  (who is up for re-election soon)  I dont care what committee his senority says he could be in for.  Throw the bums out.   The shelf life has expired on this product.

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 2:26:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh- if we follow the money- the AIG terrorism insurance pay out x 2., would be a tidy sum.

Incredibly, no one in government demoted, charged, punished, and rather then deleting funding for security we create a whole new "homeland security" monster.

Follow the money.  

As to foreign involvement,   the entanglements is too extraneous to pin it on any one country.   Many had some to gain and lose if participating- and I would suspect that like our  our country- the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, with said countries as well.

Funny we have a guy hassled by TSA by 5k cash on him, and they cant find where the Madoff money went.  You or I wire 10k, or even deposit it into an account- and a record is noted.   But people like Madoff and there are many- do not have rules apply to them.

....even if it was a group of people mad at us, probably because we scammed that group out of its wealth-property-resources.

The lineage of events as they come to light -- are telling.

Things were always corrupt since day 1. nothing new there.  But I do think we have enterred a banana republic calibur of corruption that make the 80s look  "quaint".... very quaint.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJmpSOYN1Bk    besides--- we "had no way of knowing" glunk ;-0


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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 3:04:44 PM   
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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 4:03:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		"So why did they attack the pentagon? There is no money there as far as I know? "

I just wanted to take a minute and say that in your otherwise cogent and responsive post, this made me laugh. What do you think lobbyists are bringing in those briefcases, and what do you think is in the congresmens' briefcases at the and of the "day" ?

I'll get back to it, but I just had to mention this.

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 4:29:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's obvious they attacked the symbols of America. There's only so much damage you can do with four airliners. Obviously their plan was in the works for quite some time and they were probably banking on Gore winning in 2000. Thank God that didn't happen. I can only imagine the post 9/11 catastrophe that mannequin might have wrought.

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 6:29:08 PM   
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Or set up black prisons....
Or tortured people...
Or wiretapped the entire comm grid.
Or kept our troops without body armor
Or emptied the US treasury by assigning no bid contracts to the companies of "buddies"
Or gotten 4,300 of our troops killed with no real results.
Or wounded 35,000 more
Or killed 300,000 innocent Iraqis...
And displaced as many as six million of the same.

Oh, wait...

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 6:34:05 PM   
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We cant apply the 19 terrorists tho- who died in 9-11, because a few of them are still alive.

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RE: 9/11 - choice of targets - 4/13/2009 7:22:02 PM   
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As worthy of response as both of your entries may be, neither one of them addresses the spirit of the OP. Choice of targets.

Thank you for reading, but does anyone have an opinion on what I asserted in the OP ?

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Sorry, Term, but I didn't have time to thoroughly read it earlier, and I didn't want to just snap off a quick response to something I hadn't even studied.

My thoughts are that you've got it pretty much right, for the most part. I think the attacks were planned to strike not only at the substance of  American power, but the symbols of it as well. The symbols that the Muslim fanatics found most offensive - the Pentagon, symbol of our military power, and what was basically the headquarters of the American financial system, symbolic of our wealth and the power and comfort it affords us.

It clearly was not about inflicting  massive casualties, or they would have planned it very differently. If tremendous loss of life was their goal, they'd have hijacked those 4 planes on a Saturday afternoon and crashed them into 4 college football stadiums. That alone would have wiped out upwards of 70,00 people, easily. Maybe approaching 100,000 if they got lucky. Or even if they'd altered the actual plan only slightly, and crashed the WTC jets into the lower levels of the towers, rather than the upper levels, in a steep dive rather than level flight (so as to inflict structural damage to as many levels as possible), and done it a couple of hours later when the offices were all fully staffed. If they'd done that, the death toll would have been well over 15,000, maybe as high as 20,000.

No, they knew what they were doing. I think the plan succeeded beyond their expectations, but they knew exactly what they were doing.


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