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ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 1:02:39 AM   
EminentFate


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Im very curious why i don't get responses from sub/slaves when i email them am i being to nice here is a sample of a email i sent a sub i cant figure out if Im saying the wrong things or what mabye just being to nice id like some suggestions on what i might be doing wrong. im currious and would like some feedback on this.

hello,
how are you id like to chat with you sometime i like your pic and would be interested in talking with you about what you might like and enjoy i have had 2 past subs so the lifestyle is nothing new to me so if you want someone with experience you need look no further if i don't hear back from you which i would like,i wish you luck in your search
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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 1:14:19 AM   
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If i got a cmail like that, i would think it was cut'n'pasted.
Also, mentioning that you want to chat kinda conjures up the image of cyber-stuff, which isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Others might think the same as i do. God is in the details, it has been said. So state exactly why that sub interests you.

Even so, you still might not get responded to. That's just how it goes sometimes.

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 1:15:03 AM   
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Well...............you asked lol
Firstly, try using correct capitilisation, sentences etc, that would put me off immediately. Second, I personally wouldn't respond to your message as there is nothing there that would say you have read my profile/journal. You "like the pic", that says to me, "you make me horny, let's chat and you can tell me all the kinky things you like and I'll wank".
Sorry..........you did ask.
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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 1:20:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EminentFate

hello,
how are you id like to chat with you sometime i like your pic and would be interested in talking with you about what you might like and enjoy i have had 2 past subs so the lifestyle is nothing new to me so if you want someone with experience you need look no further if i don't hear back from you which i would like,i wish you luck in your search



Well, it looks to me like this is a pre-formed letter which sort of drives me bonkers. If you are going to use something pre-formed, read the profile through and comment on something in the body of the profile that you liked, agreed with or would like to know somehing more about. Then add that as a second paragraph.

Also, i'm sorry but the grammar and sentence structure is pretty bad. Actually, there is no sentence structure. It's one long run on sentence with a bunch of commas (and no period at the end, even). Be more detailed in the letter, so you had two subs in the past, how long did you have each one for? How many years experience do you have? Could you use them as character references if someone asked for that?

This really does need to be refined, at the very least, run it through a spell, and grammar-check.

That's all i can come up with for now. i hope it helped a bit. i'm sorry if it seemed harsh, i certainly didn't intend for that to occur.

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 1:28:19 AM   
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Gotta agree with the others.  It sounds much like a copy and pasted message.  Are you only attracted to pictures or was there something in the the sub's profile that you found interesting?   I've had Doms write to me and tell me how pretty I am and I took my picture off my profile a year ago. 

Also, if you want to know what I enjoy, it better be about my hobbies.  I learned a long time ago to not tell strangers private stuff.  Frankly, from my experience most who want the personal intimate details before getting to know me or discover if we even like each other, are out for whank material only.  

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 1:29:01 AM   
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It sounds cut and pasted, your punctuation is almost nonexistant, you lowercase your i's which makes the message look like its from a sub, and you are bragging about having two past subs. That may not be a selling point. I'd just say you have a bit of experience in the lifestyle and leave it at that.

The message as it is, is friendly enough. It just is a major turnoff that it is so obviously pasted. If you cannot take the time to craft a short, original message that talks about the sub in a way that shows you've read her entire profile and are interested in specific things about her in particular, I just wouldn't bother. Because clearly the pasted message you are sending is having the opposite effect of what you had intended.

If you sent that message to me (when I was a sub) I'd block you and delete the message wthout replying. You are spamming. Major turnoff, as I said. You are actively pissing people off, with this tactic. Stop it.

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 1:37:00 AM   
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Just to add....

Online is not always the best place to look for a partner.  You live in Columbus Ohio and there are more than one active group in the city.  You are more likely to meet a submissive who is interested in finding a Dominant at a group activiity, a munch, or an event.  If you do not know where to find the groups in your area, follow the link in my signature. 


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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 4:07:43 AM   
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Whine whine whine, suck it up and drive on. No one is required to reply back. Not to mention, most females get slammed with a lot of mail on a daily basis. Replying to every single one isn't an option for anyone with a life. Get over it.

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 4:18:17 AM   
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LOL, and I thought I was being grumpy lol.
Fangs, you're a gem lol
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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 4:39:23 AM   
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Just because we're submissive doesn't mean we all want casual sex. Most of us want relationships, starting with friendship. Your email is totally focused on casual sex, you don't refer to anything in her profile or her forum posts. Your profile is a turn off, it only talks about sex.

Most of the relationship will be spent doing vanilla things. So talk about those things. If her profile says she's an avid movie goer, then ask what she thinks about some new movie. Stuff like that. And fill out your profile because there isn't enough info there to tell a sub anything about you for her to write back about.

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 4:45:43 AM   
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Remember....you did ask.

Funny thing to share...twice in the past 4 weeks I've recieved an email similar to the one you offer as an example from a dom (?) in GA.  The same cut-and-paste, "i saw your profile and i really like what you have to say i would like for you to write me back and we can see if there is more i think we have lots in commom and you seem to be a very nice girl" run-on sentence, lack of capitalisation and nothing specific to my profile...nonsense that gets sent by so many others here.  He was blocked for lack of reading (my profile)and for sending another form letter full of crap.

Rise above the crowd. 

Write a proper email. I will assume you learned sentence structure, grammer, punctuation and the like while in school. Now is the time to put them to good use. 
Don't feel the need to "toot your own horn" concerning your past exprience. This is a personal turn off for me and something that can come out quite naturally in the course of conversation. 
Actually make the effort to read a person's profile and journal entries and not just look at the photo and do a brief glimpse. If they have written something that catches your eye, mention it in your introductory email.  It shows you've made an effort beyond visual stimulation as a driving force.

I also look at a person's profile before replying.  Yours leaves a bit to be desired.  I would suggest removing the IM info as that can lead a person to think you're only interested in cyber-chatting (unless that's all you're interested in).  I would also remove the poem and add it to your journal, if you feel it's truly necessary, and instead offer something more of who you are and what you look for.  Try to be clear about what you want....casual or a more formal relationship.
I look to journal entries as another view into the person, therefore, try to not make an entry be one long gripe-fest (which is another all to often thing that can be a real turn-off).

The photos are ok...the best is of you in the blue shirt and smiling (something you'll hear lots of women say they like to see on a dom's profile).  I would suggest making that your main photo.

Think of a profile as an advertisment and the product you're selling is YOU. 
Good luck.

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 5:13:16 AM   
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My thoughts as I read:

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hello,


Hello.

quote:

how are you


Fine, thank you.

quote:

id like to chat with you sometime


Please, get back to me when you have some idea of when that might be.

quote:

i like your pic


(voiding pic comment; I don’t have one)

quote:

and would be interested in talking with you about what you might like and enjoy


In relation to what, and could we please start with the things I know I like? Most everything else seems situational.

quote:

i have had 2 past subs so the lifestyle is nothing new to me


How past is past?

quote:

so if you want someone with experience you need look no further


Could you please help me with a better understanding of what you mean by “experience"?

quote:

if i don't hear back from you which i would like,


*scratches head*

quote:

i wish you luck in your search


Thank you.

My best,

Kim

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 5:24:32 AM   
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I have heard women here say that they get 20-50 cmails a day.  What specifically about yours will rise up from that bunch?

Also, I perved your profile.  The last pic does not make you look as grumpy as the others.  I'd use it as a profile/avatar pic.


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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 5:34:31 AM   
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"What specifically about yours will rise up from that bunch"?
His penis when all  the girls tell him what they enjoy lol
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 5:38:14 AM   
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If I were you, I would put more about myself in the profile.  The first sentence you have there is "If you would like to know more about me, please ask".  But there is nothing there about you to begin with, so how would someone know if they were interested in knowing more.  I would put some info in there about what type of relationship you are looking for, plus some interests or hobbys etc., so they have a glimpse into who you are.

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 6:24:36 AM   
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LOL LOL.......I was thinking the exact same thing as I was reading......

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 6:35:36 AM   
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Whether it is fair or not, a person will often look at the level of grammar as a marker of intelligence.  Seeing one long run-on sentence makes it look like the person never finished high school. 

I would normally not respond to someone asking for a chat before wanting to know anything about me.  When I was looking I was most likely to respond to someone who mentioned something about my profile or my journal entries - something that showed that they actually paid some attention rather than something generic. 

I don't like being told that I need look no further.  There is a fine line between pride and arrogance, and to me that oversteps the bounds.  In the email example you have told me absolutely nothing that would make me trust you.  The fact that you've had two subs doesn't guarantee that you were good as a Dom and tells me nothing about the real you.  I would be much more likely to answer if you said something like, "In my previous relationships I made sure that while my subs were providing me with service that I was making sure to take care of their emotional needs" or something that shows me that you know that it isn't all about someone doing something for you and getting basically nothing in return.

The one thing that I do like is that you wish them the best of luck.  That's the only thing that I saw that showed any warmth. 


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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 7:04:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EminentFate

hello, how are you
Hi to You too.  i'm good, thank You.  And You?

id like to chat with you sometime
Are You talking IM or e-mail?  Cause most that want to IM with me right away are looking for cybersex, which i won't do.  Will You rise above the Others?
 
i like your pic and would be interested in talking with you about what you might like and enjoy
Hmm.  You saw my pic but didn't say anything about what i wrote in my profile.  Did You read it at all?  A lot of what i might like and enjoy is right there, vanilla and kink, i'm right upfront.....and if You want to talk first thing about it, it will be my vanilla interests.  i am looking for more than just kinky sex.  Otherwise, i'll think You are just hunting for wank fodder.

i have had 2 past subs so the lifestyle is nothing new to me
Are they totally in the past?  Meaning, are You still doing D/s with them or no?  That would make a difference whether i want to get involved with You or not, since i'm not poly.  Friends is one thing, actively playing with them is something else.

so if you want someone with experience you need look no further
Okay.  How much experience?

if i don't hear back from you which i would like,
You already assume i'm going to shoot You down?  That's depressing.

i wish you luck in your search
Thank You.  Same back at Ya, cause i think You're still searching, Sir.



I'm sorry to seem so negative, but i agree with some of the other posters that Your letter just seems cut n pasted, and that's a big turn-off to think that you mass-mail the same exact thing to all the other subs out there.  i am much more likely to respond to a letter that does not appear to be mass-mailed and that's a little more personal.  i give more than enough information in my profile for conversation material.  Also, it's just very hard to read without punctuation and capitalization.  And try saying more about Yourself in Your profile, please.  The first thing i do when i open a letter from Someone, even before i read it, is i click on Their username and read Their profile.  i'm sorry if i seem depressing and negative, i'm not trying to be, but i would expect the same detailed input from You or S/someone E/else if i asked to have my introductory letter or profile reviewed.  GOOD LUCK.  ~smiles~

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 8:09:38 AM   
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Thank you for all the input. That was not a cut and past email. I'm not out looking for a wank a piece of ass or a one night stand. I truly am looking for a good sub and a LTR. I appreciate the criticism even if it was blunt. I was only curious as to what I was doing wrong or if anything at all. I was not whining at all it was merely a question nothing more. That particular email was sent to someone that hardly had anything in there profile and thats why there is hardly anything in there about her. As far as my profile it self I did have quit a bit in there and i took it out but thats here nor there. I will take some of what people said and use that. thank you for the replies. I got what i needed from my question

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RE: ok so im currious - 4/14/2009 8:28:12 AM   
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An you people say I'm mean!

To the OP...  welcome to CM, for whatever that's worth.

CMail is often an exercise in frustration, and you're just starting to find out why.  All the complaints you've heard in this thread are common ones.  You're up against an expectation by most submissive women that they want you to write a special letter just to them right from the beginning.  You'll be expected to write something intriguing and fascinating which includes personal compliments and remarks about them.  All in a first introductory email...

Meanwhile you'll find the majority of the profiles say very little about themselves, giving you precious little to comment on.  So while they whine about getting 5 billion emails a day... you'll be called a whiner if you so much as ask what the deal with cmail is.  And don't dare complain about having to sort through the endless fake profiles, the scammers, or all the guys pretending to be submissive women... or that you have to write about 5 billion emails a day just to get 5 that actually respond at all.  Is it hypocrisy... you betcha... is it unfair...absolutely... its also the way it is.

So here's my advice.  Write a nice introductory form letter.  Make it about 3-4 paragraphs.  Stick to one idea per paragraph... for example, if you've got an fascinating hobby (say you actually are in a rock band) write one paragraph about that... keep it brief but interesting... you want to give them something to think about and something to write back and ask you about in their letter.  Something that introduces yourself, tells a little about you, and includes some things that make you interesting (and you tap dance... do you speak eight languages... are you in a rock band... that kind of thing) and perhaps different from others.  Don't try to fit your whole life story into it...just hit a couple of points of interest... hint at everything else (a little mystery can be a great thing).  Ask some basic questions about the submissive... not just kinky things, and in fact I'd avoid much of that in a first letter... don't get too personal, this is a first letter after all (if you get to personal, they'll feel threatened by it and they'll shut you out).  The real point is just to ask some things to show interest in who they are as a person.  You'll also up your odds if you attach at least one pic to your letter... but make it something nice, no cock shots.  Again, if its a pic that makes you seem interesting, you'll improve your odds.

Then mail said form letter to friggin every profile that interests you... have a blast... go nuts with it.  Because here's the reality.  There are "trolls" out there mass mailing anything female which is part of why they get 5 billion emails a day.  You're up against numbers and the only thing you can do is try to use numbers to your advantage.  So forget trying to just attract the attention of that one submissive that really caught your eye... for all you know she's a complete fraud... maybe, maybe not.  Throw a broad net out there and see what you catch... then sort who you really want to take interest in later.

But in the end the there's an inescapable truth about CMail you just can't get around... for meeting people, it SUCKS.  As you might have already gathered, people have all kinds of expectations (not all of them realistic), plus they're defenisve, cautious and at times downright cynical... and that's just the folks who are genuine.  You'll find a large percentage of those profiles are either fakes or people just playing online games, both of which waste your time.  Which is why I actually recommend an introductory form letter (besides which, for those who bother to pick up a book on etiquette, a nicely written introductory form letter actually is considered good etiquette), you don't have enough hours in your day to write personal emails to each and every submissive you might want to say hello to in order to find out if there's any chemistry there at all... and if you do have that much free time, then you seriously need to get a LIFE!

On the brighter side, you may have noticed that your one little post garnered far more response than all those emails you sent out.  The forums are generally a better place to meet people.  You'll find that once you get acquainted with the quirks of the forum, people here are generally friendlier and more communicative.  People who come to these forums or to the chat rooms actually want to talk to others, so they're more open.  You have the advantage also that here you can engage in some chit chat and discussion before approaching someone.  CMailing profiles is what's called a "cold approach" and its about the toughest way to attract a woman there is... most tune you out before you get "Hello" out of your mouth... again, that's just the way it is.

That's my opinion anyway... take it with a grain of salt, and good luck.  

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