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OrionTheWolf -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 5:03:22 PM)

Here is what Delta has on that:

2International Taxes & Fees—For infants under the age of two and held in the adult's lap, the cost is usually about 10% of the adult fare plus any international taxes and surcharges, which can be significant.

http://www.delta.com/planning_reservations/special_travel_needs/services_for_children/child_fares/index.jsp

You do realize the airlines are charged/taxed in some countries by the number of passengers they carry. Depends on the country and airport.


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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
Mamma's < or Papa's > with infants that are going to sit on their lap for the entire flight are charged for two seats and have been for as long as I remember. That is obscene to me.

You have a faulty memory.  There is no charge for infants under 2, if they are child-in-arms. 

If the infant is in a car seat, well then the two of them take up two seats, and of course they should be charged for two seats.



Not exactly faulty, but not accurate.

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infants and children under two y/o on  international  flights............are charged a fee, taxes and  any and all surcharges, including a fuel surcharge.  

                  mbmbn




trainedobedients -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 5:07:32 PM)

A lot of focus on the price of the ticket but not on safety. I travelled a lot with my child over the years and never held it in my lap. If something happens the survival rate of a simple bad landing is significant. You don't take it in your lap in the car why do it on a plane?

Yes, prices for tickets are outrageous but we still fly. So they message to the airlines is.....we will complain and bitch but still use you.

I am guilty of that as well.




Christinestill -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 5:10:50 PM)

no, i've never taken an "it" on my lap in a car or on a plane...or for that matter on a train!




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 6:38:56 PM)

Camille on a grey hound bus trip once, there was a woman wo was so fat she took up almost all of the two seats left, there was like 1 inch of the seat that would of been mine , and they were the last seats availible on the bus other than handycap an if I hadn ot been able to sit in handycap* because they were empty* I would of missed my bus.
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She took up a considerable amount of my seat

We paid the same amount to fly yet my seat was literally taken over by another body.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 6:46:48 PM)

Actually compare what tickets were 30 years ago, then use an inflation index and tell me what they should be. Airline fares are relative cheap if you compare it to many things. I mean come one, I can fly Atlanta to KC for $79 on a special, and upgrade for $50.


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Yes, prices for tickets are outrageous but we still fly. So they message to the airlines is.....we will complain and bitch but still use you.





kazzaslave -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 6:54:34 PM)

kazza agrees, Master Orion. she remembers looking for ways to get to Boston from Montreal and found that flying was cheaper than taking a train. Same thing for travel from Montreal to New Brunswick.

kazza




BlackPhx -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 6:55:26 PM)

Actually Kazza, Aravain is correct...That is exactly what I was doing and saying. It is always alright to limit or penalize others until it comes to something you may be doing. Buy two seats, get bumped or asked to give up the second seat you paid for, so that someone else can take that seat. People travel with flu, crying sick and cranky short people, those same people out of control and kicking seats, yappy dogs, etc, but no one bumps them from the flight or makes them pay for the privelege of sharing their various ailments, and many folks carry home the results of that to their families, the immune suppressed and the elderly. It's rare that BP does not bring home something from his trips and often it is NOT a piece of jewelry..the medical bills can be ruinious.  

Camille if there were empty seats you or she should have been allowed to move, on many domestic flights you can, though the flight attendants tend to like to know where you are. Passenger manifests are printed from seating list produced by boarding passes and ticket sales so they can identify who was seated where if there is an accident. SW doesn't care..it's grab whatever seat you prefer.

No one ever stops to think that if they begin to make special rules for one group, it will not be long before they make special rules for their group. How did that line go? "then they came for me and there was no one left to stand up"

poenkitten




GreedyTop -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 6:55:31 PM)

jeez, I wish I could find fares like that to go from Tampa to, say, L.A.  Or Atlanta....




kazzaslave -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 7:02:47 PM)

Thanks for clarifying poen. That still doesn't change kazza's view that if someone takes up two seats they should pay for them. Flying with the sick and noisy kids is the price of public travel. Unfortunately sick people don't or can't stay home. It happens on the bus all the time *shrugs* HOWEVER these are subjects for another thread. Let's stick to the subject shall we?




Lucylastic -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 7:11:57 PM)

just cost 500$ for an hour and a halfs flight to DC from toronto(one seat)
first class made it 1200...ya sod that for a game of soldiers
Lucy





bamabbwsub -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 7:19:50 PM)

My issue is...what is the airline's reasoning for charging a large person (whether overweight or just naturally big) for the extra seat? 

Is it to ensure another traveller's comfort?  If so, then the person who pays for 2 seats should, indeed, receive 2 seats.  And if I were the person who was being squished, I'd be pissed that my seat was paid for twice, but even though I paid for my little piece of space, the airline dismissed my comfort in order to make an extra buck. 

If the issue is to pay for the added fuel, I don't have quite as much of a problem with it, although I doubt that there is really that much difference in fuel.  If the plane carried a load of skinny supermodels, would they then get a refund?  I think not.  [8D]

There obviously isn't an easy answer to this, but if I were so large as to require an extra seat, and I actually *got* that extra seat, I'd be okay with that.  After all, it isn't any more fun for the large person to be squished into a seat than it is for the person next to them. 




BlackPhx -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/19/2009 7:40:20 PM)

Orion I am not large enough to require a second seat..neither is BP or Buttah..I do have several disabilities that require some accommodation, including an insulin pump, asthma, emphysema, hypothyroid, neuropathies of several areas of my body that affect my ability to walk straight or sit for long periods of time, retinopathy (going blind) and now a kidney that looks like it is going to fail on me (waiting on the verdict). We are currently training a service dog to help with my balance but that will be a whole nother problem since the dog has to be large enough to actually be effective, a chihuahua can't help me walk like I am not drunk or get up out of seats. The same dog will have to learn to handle my diminished vision so you can figure out the size of the dog. Some days are worse than others and to be honest I will never pass a field sobriety test, though I will be clear on a breathalyzer or blood test of any alcohol. I run into walls and shelves constantly, not to mention people and other moving obstacles. Tilt my head back I fall over, close my eyes and I list badly standing still. Misfiring muscles in my legs mean I have to pull myself up with my arms and then teeter until the messages start getting through properly, my dogs have learned to brace me and so has Buttah. Here's the fun..Not ONE of these disabilities is visible to the naked eye. As I said most people would think I had a little too much to drink when i walk.

The airlines will pre-board me, BUT, if we are stuck on the tarmac for several hours and we have been, I will not be able to use the non-functioning bathroom, get up and move about the cabin to prevent swelling of my legs, access Oxygen if I have an attack or my nebulizer (in my luggage you can't take either on a plane) or get something to eat or drink ( I carry with me, but have to buy drinks in the terminal since they won't let you take liquids through security). While they are sitting on the tarmac, the air does not circulate, which can get very uncomfortable and once they pull away from the terminal, you are stuck until they have a free gate to pull into.

Yes many large people want to say they have a disability when it is their own bad diets that is the underlying cause, YET, obesity brings with it disabilities that make it difficult to lose the weight. Enlarged hearts, thyroids that quit, high blood pressure, edema, asthma are all attributable to gross obesity. So, do they get out of paying for a second seat if they have one of those disabilities and can prove it? That means the average person who is overweight is the only one paying.

Now you say the bodybuilder should pay more and those with large frames..but is someone 6'5 going to get more leg room if he pays a premium? Not on most domestic flights. Is the Football player going to get more room if his shoulders are broad but his waist trim, or should he pay for another seat? Where does it stop? Do we penalize the woman with the over sized chest because it intrudes in your space? Or the Basketball player whose legs keep you from laying your seat back? What about the Young adult whose ears are bleeding Punk, Rap or Death metal while you are trying to sleep, or the person who forgot their deodorant and is making you nauseous or wearing too much perfume and triggering your respiratory problems?

Yes I have been squished in plane seats by those too large for the seat..and it was uncomfortable for me..but ALSO for them. They have been far more apologetic and pleasant than the businessman trying to do his expense report or blowing alcohol fumes in my face as he slept and drooled on my shoulder.

poenkitten (P.S. BP doesn't drink)




gman992 -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/24/2009 12:32:16 PM)

You know, fat people wouldn't have a problem if they started dieting and exercising! Other than that, they either look themselves that way or just plain lazy.




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Yet Another Airline Fee... (4/24/2009 12:37:15 PM)

There are medical conditions that make it where fat people can not loose weight by diet and exercise, and yeah it's rare, but diet and exercise isn't the end all be all for weight loss.
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You know, fat people wouldn't have a problem if they started dieting and exercising! Other than that, they either look themselves that way or just plain lazy.




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