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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 4:13:12 PM   
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Actually, Walgreens is offering free Take Care clinics for those who have lost their jobs and don't have insurance.  Now, the clinic can't do everything but it is good for the less serious ailments.
Rite Aid does the same thing,,, its checking cholesterol levels, blood sugar, blood pressure....gives you a reading and indication that there may be a problem,  but not any type of care or follow up.



We dont have the walk ins yet.  Still waiting for the "immediate care" centers. lol.



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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 4:16:53 PM   
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Right, they are doing three things that they talked about and I can't remember for sure what they were, but think it was blood pressure, bone density and blood sugar stuff.


I am sure the wrong doers will come out of the woodwork once they clamp down on secret Swiss accounts.  We do have laws, rules, regs.  

I wonder how many Bernie Madoffs there are that haven't been caught yet. 

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 4:39:35 PM   
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I remember during the 70's there were all sorts of stories about the elderly being reduced to eating cat food in order to survive on their meager savings.


I remember those stories too. It never made any sense to me. Cat food is not cheap.

Those were not stories they were true and cat food back in the day was only  10- 25 cents a can compared to what it cost now.

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 4:44:36 PM   
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I remember during the 70's there were all sorts of stories about the elderly being reduced to eating cat food in order to survive on their meager savings.


I remember those stories too. It never made any sense to me. Cat food is not cheap.

Those were not stories they were true and cat food back in the day was only  10- 25 cents a can compared to what it cost now.


Yes, well back in that day, everything was cheaper.  It was still cheaper back then to buy pasta or generic canned veggies than cat food.

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 4:49:28 PM   
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It isn't dog food...it is Pâté

For those not sure....YES, I'm kidding!



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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 4:51:33 PM   
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LOL...  Good one!

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 5:40:04 PM   
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Just because some commentator has 'facts',it really doesn't mean a thing to me. If Sean Hannity (fox) and Kieth Olberman (msnbc) had the same 'facts', you can bet the rent that the story would be different. Probably some where in the middle with neither being 100% right. My grandfather would tell me, " figures lie and liers figure ".. Don't believe everything you hear...  

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 5:50:08 PM   
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Hi Owner59. I think the global warming for a longer growing season would suit Wisconsin farmers just fine. After 2 winters in a row with nearly 100 inches of snow and colder than normal temperatures, they will be once again be late getting their crops planted. They might even break even for once.

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 6:13:46 PM   
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So taking out the news programs and show host and the doctor's that were on this show... do poor people buy cheap food and is starch typically a cheap food?  Does starchy food cause weight gain? 

Enough facts for me, with what I have seen.. without what I might ignorantly believe when I hear it.  Jesus... argue a point with... you can't believe everything you hear... even if it is true! lol

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 6:40:34 PM   
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http://www.aomega.com/ahs/p1200faq.htm

http://www.aaabraids.com/weight_loss.htm

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-starch-blockers?page=2

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-starch-blockers?page=2

http://enzymeuniversity.com/artman/publish/article_5.shtml

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/fastfood.htm

http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1237530.aspx

http://energyfanatics.com/2007/12/16/cereal-grains-energy-stamina-foods/

And a good article... talking about cheap foods

http://www.time.com/time/subscriber/covers/1101040607/article/not_too_rich_or_too_thi01a.html

You decide... do carbs/starch/sugar... cause weight gain?

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 7:53:53 PM   
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Actually, dog biscuits aren't bad at all.....crunchy, high in protein.   Never did like Gravy Train....

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/15/2009 11:17:04 PM   
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http://www.aomega.com/ahs/p1200faq.htm

http://www.aaabraids.com/weight_loss.htm

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-starch-blockers?page=2

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-starch-blockers?page=2

http://enzymeuniversity.com/artman/publish/article_5.shtml

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/fastfood.htm

http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1237530.aspx

http://energyfanatics.com/2007/12/16/cereal-grains-energy-stamina-foods/

And a good article... talking about cheap foods

http://www.time.com/time/subscriber/covers/1101040607/article/not_too_rich_or_too_thi01a.html

You decide... do carbs/starch/sugar... cause weight gain?



They probably are eating lobster and cheese cake this evening.  

The generation that fought WW2.  you know the war where they rationed Chocalate, nylons and other items.  WHere one needed ration cards for certain items.

And hopefully the upstairs maid doesnt bump into the downstairs maid.   Hopefully the Miami yaught club will fit the yaughts as Palm Beach yaught clubs is too small to accommodate.

Just imagine those fabulous 401k retirement accounts, the astounding interest rates on the CDs., my how they rake it in.

Throw in poorly labeled food with High fruticose corn syrup, and product shrink;   mix up cutter canner with McDonalds and who can tell the difference?

Much of a supermarket is garbage.

But if they have finance problems- what the heck.  SELL one of the yaughts. Fire the downstairs maid.  Cut out one of the limos.   Reduce the weekends at teh Chateua in the south of France.

....while at it- fork over trillions to Goldman Sacks so they can eat too     !!!

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/16/2009 12:17:42 AM   
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http://www.aomega.com/ahs/p1200faq.htm

http://www.aaabraids.com/weight_loss.htm

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-starch-blockers?page=2

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-truth-about-starch-blockers?page=2

http://enzymeuniversity.com/artman/publish/article_5.shtml

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/fastfood.htm

http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1237530.aspx

http://energyfanatics.com/2007/12/16/cereal-grains-energy-stamina-foods/

And a good article... talking about cheap foods

http://www.time.com/time/subscriber/covers/1101040607/article/not_too_rich_or_too_thi01a.html

You decide... do carbs/starch/sugar... cause weight gain?



They probably are eating lobster and cheese cake this evening.  

The generation that fought WW2.  you know the war where they rationed Chocalate, nylons and other items.  WHere one needed ration cards for certain items.

And hopefully the upstairs maid doesnt bump into the downstairs maid.   Hopefully the Miami yaught club will fit the yaughts as Palm Beach yaught clubs is too small to accommodate.

Just imagine those fabulous 401k retirement accounts, the astounding interest rates on the CDs., my how they rake it in.

Throw in poorly labeled food with High fruticose corn syrup, and product shrink;   mix up cutter canner with McDonalds and who can tell the difference?

Much of a supermarket is garbage.

But if they have finance problems- what the heck.  SELL one of the yaughts. Fire the downstairs maid.  Cut out one of the limos.   Reduce the weekends at teh Chateua in the south of France.

....while at it- fork over trillions to Goldman Sacks so they can eat too     !!!



My parents are both in the 70s. They worked hard all their lives and saved for their retirement. They live in an over 60s apartment on the coast. Their idea was always to live off the interest on their savings allowing them the knowledge that they would be able to leave something for my sister and myself when they were gone. With interest rates at their lowest ever they now receive virtually no interest on their savings at all and are having to use some of their capital. They are now worried that should this situation continue they will have to use most of their capital. I am aware of them cutting down on the things and it is a worry for a number of the elderly.


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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/16/2009 2:26:45 AM   
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We are better off supplying crock pots and beans and veggies.

Right there with you on this, Lockit. The crock is pretty much the easiest way to do "real food" on the cheap, and that includes meat as well. Mine will fit (barely) a 10 lb bag of chicken legs that I get for $4.90 at the local grocery. Even allowing for the bones, that's a heck of a lot of meat for the price, and cooked meat freezes quite well for quick, homemade meals later. Boneless stuff like pork or beef roast is even easier, and still inexpensive on a cost per meal basis when compared to the price of the average frozen "dinner". If you (generic) are making stuff like chili, beans, pasta sauce, potatoes, or soup, it's even easier on the food budget.  Also, crocking once or twice a week is hella easier than cooking every day.

There's a reason that I encourage my 70 y/o Mom to use her crock pot as often as possible. :)

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/16/2009 4:19:29 AM   
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Gee wiz. Here we all are. Speaking for the elderly. And how old are we? I'm not yet 50, altho 49 does feel elderly at times. the truth is, I dont come from a wealthy background and my friends dont either. But our elderly parents did ok for themselevs. I feel like this thread presumes old people are just in terrible shape. When in my experieiance, they saved much much more than my generation.

So before we get all teary eyed about the old folks. Just give yourself a moment and wonder if perhaps those poor people have an awful lot of money in the bank boo hoo. In my experieince over and over again, that is the case. So lets stop feeling so awful about people who might just have the means to be helping US!



I sincerely hope you are not the selfish callous cow this post portrays you as!! I live in an area with many elderly people, most of them live entirely on a Social Security check. You try it, see how well you eat. Do so with all the many ailments and frailties they have.

No, not everyone is poor and in poor physical condition, but many are. THOSE are the people we are talking about!

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/16/2009 5:58:54 AM   
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Florida is a haven for the elderly and for a long time was the state to retire to. Florida like many states and places around the world is struggling with major economic setbacks and this of course affects the elderly and poor rapidly. Food Banks are struggling to remain stocked, blood banks begging for blood and charities that people have relied on for ages are going begging as donations drop drastically. BUT, things are being done to help. Food stamps are available to help as well as WIC for poor mothers. Doctors are doubling doses on medications so that the elderly can split the pills and get two months supply for the price of one, supermarkets offer buy one get one on many items including meat, $10 for 10's, one offers discounted staples such as eggs, bread, milk and charity groups (including churches) go door to door asking to harvest some of the citrus people have sitting on their backyard trees to deliver to the elderly and poor.

The elderly do skip meals, so do the poor and the middle class. The price of groceries, gas and utilities have risen while employment, interest and pensions have dropped or failed to keep pace. It was happening even before this economic recession (depression) and will continue even if the economy recovers (a slow turnaround at best). But we can help as well. Contribute to Food banks, deliver grocery gift cards and drugstore gift cards to those you know are struggling, take a meal across the street (cook a little extra and say.."I made more than I can use") hold a block party with pot luck contributions. From the tales my grandmother told me, this was one of the ways they survived the depression, neighbors helping neighbors and the "extra" to save pride.

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/16/2009 7:05:58 AM   
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Gee wiz. Here we all are. Speaking for the elderly. And how old are we? I'm not yet 50, altho 49 does feel elderly at times. the truth is, I dont come from a wealthy background and my friends dont either. But our elderly parents did ok for themselevs. I feel like this thread presumes old people are just in terrible shape. When in my experieiance, they saved much much more than my generation.

So before we get all teary eyed about the old folks. Just give yourself a moment and wonder if perhaps those poor people have an awful lot of money in the bank boo hoo. In my experieince over and over again, that is the case. So lets stop feeling so awful about people who might just have the means to be helping US!

No one is assuming that the entire elderly population is struggling financially. The OP is addressing those who are.

I can't speak for the elderly, but I can speak from experience of working for Social Services in the UK. Why do you think that any govt. section refers to the elderly as 'vulnerable' persons?

The majority of the elderly are not middle/upper class persons who have had the opportunity to invest wisely, have a decent pension scheme or savings/assets to ensure comfortability for the duration of their lives.

The majority are working class who rely on a govt. pension which is meagre and certainly not in line with the cost of living for the average person. Add to that the rising costs of household fuels, groceries and general household products ensuring that many have to make a choice whether to warm themselves or eat.

I would dearly love for you to do the job I did, which was to go into a person's home, with a social worker, and assess their level of need/care, then implement a home care plan. There are three options regarding daily sustenance: Feeding one's self; Have 'Meals on Wheels'; Have a carer to come in to provide breakfast, lunch and tea - all of which is dependent on the level of dependency for each individual and whether they have the correct benefits/or can afford to pay for their homecare privately.  The latter is not an option for many.

If they opt for Meals on Wheels (which they still have to pay for at a subsidised rate), the foods provided are small portions, bland, stewed but at least it is fairly nourishing and they are getting SOMETHING - the sad thing about that is that b/c the service was changed some years ago, meals are delivered frozen - previously they were delivered hot and ready to eat - a lot of elderly persons are physically unable to deal with the simple every day tasks that people like you, and myself, take for granted such as putting on the oven and having the physical ability to remove the meal once it is done - if they remember.

Take some time out of your privileged lifestyle and LOOK at your neighbours, see who perhaps does fall into the category of a 'vulnerable person'. You don't need to knock on their door and embarrass them by offering what you consider 'charity', but you can provide cans of food/litter for their cat or dog weekly if they have one, they love a cuppa and tea is expensive to purchase, so include some teabags. The most important thing you can do for a person is get to know them and then discern what you can do for them. Even with living in a city there is no excuse for not knowing people in the road we live.
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I want to relay a little something to you regarding a lovely old man by the name of Bill (yes, it was his real name). Bill lived in a nice little housing estate and had an old black and white dog called Jess. Bill was part of the community, he could be seen every day of the week walking his dog, or even just having a cheery "Hello!" for his neighbours that walked past. Through those "Hellos!" it was discovered that Bill had a son living in India and whom he hadn't seen for some years sadly, his eyes would mist up when he spoke about him. As time went on, Bill's usually smart appearance would seem a little 'off'. His shirts weren't as clean as they once were - his wife had died some years previously and he always kept their house/his clothes to a standard she kept - his wife was very houseproud. The neighbours suspected Bill was having difficulty maintaining his every day life, including personal care and devised a plan of action without being intrusive. Bill would often invite a neighbour in for a cuppa and it wasn't too much of a stretch for the neighbour to wash up the tea things and push the hoover around, afterall, they were at a loose end and would welcome having something to keep them busy. Another neighbour would yell through to Bill (he always kept his door open during the day) that they were just about to put on the washing machine and had a little room, if he needed some shirts, etc... thrown in. He never declined. Pet lovers being what they are, always buy in way too much food for their pets so invariably a box of dog food would be stored up - and make its way to Bill's each fortnight, along with flea treatments and worming tablets monthly/bi-annually.

Bill was never a large man, when he died (shortly after his dog had to be put to sleep one day after she collapsed and was unable to walk) he was severely underweight for a man his height. He loved his dog more than anything, even to the point he'd go without his meals to provide for his dog in terms of food and vet bills - his dog was his life. He had gotten used to eating much smaller portions and skipping meals so that when kindly neighbours provided the much needed help for him and his dog he was unable to increase his own food intake. Bill was too proud to ask for help and hid his weight loss underneath heavy waistcoasts and jumpers.


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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/16/2009 7:35:00 AM   
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MissMorrigan, thank you for that story about Bill.  You bring up something not mentioned for the elderly and that is loneliness. Sometimes a pet will make all the difference in the world to them and some nursing homes have people who will bring a pet in so that the people there can have the pleasure of snuggling with a pet. 

I will add, isolation.  I know from personal experience of my own and some that I knew, the isolation can be or come close to deadly.  When I first got into the housing I have mentioned, I was finally safe.. could afford my rent, after losing my business with 911 and becoming more disabled.  For three months I had no tv as I could get no channels, had no stereo, no phone or online service.  I paced that floor like a caged person. I was ever thankful to have a roof over my head that I could afford, although I couldn't afford decent food, but the isolation was overwhelming.  I wasn't well enough at the time to go talk to the other's outside and in winter that wasn't doable anyway.

So many were depressed there.  There was more pain in that building than anything I had ever seen before.  It was hell to see men who were once able bodied, stuck and it was harder on them than for most the women.  They were forgotten.  To hear their stories of their lives, you knew they were dynamic people who had done wonderful things, some of them and to see them forgotten by family and see their friends dying off and no one who had the time or care to visit them was heart breaking.  They couldn't even eat to find comfort!  You could walk down the halls and hear people moaning or crying because of pain or health and in depression.

I am very grateful for my time there and would be there to this day if I hadn't have had to leave to care for my adult son.  I will never forget those people!  The strong ones seemed to be overwhelming in interest about your life and would watch you.  It made me very uncomfortable until I found out why they did that.  They were evaluating you to see what your needs were so that they might befriend you or help in some way.  I saw both heartbreaking and heart lifting things there.

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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/16/2009 8:02:52 AM   
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At the risk of sounding callous-political choices have ramifications.  (note, this only applies to the US- I have no idea what the situation is in other countries.)

From my perspective- here's what's happened over the past several decades.

1)  Care for the elderly- social security/medicaid/medicare is paid for by a very regressive tax.  On small businesses its accurately labeled as the self employment tax- when you're employed by a corporation its often optimistically referred to as social security and there is some semantic gobbledygook to try and convince you it's not a tax.  The reason that this tax is regressive is that it's 14.5% of the profit on a business- that starts at dollar 1 and goes up to $102,000 where it's capped.  It's one of the reasons that small businesses fail- they can't save enough for a slow period.
2)  The AARP has been a very powerful political lobby- conceivably the most powerful because it's been backed by the elderly who have the highest rates of showing up in the polls.  This lobby came up with a very destructive plan to support the elderly- and has refused to budge for decades.  I suspect even now that they won't budge.   Their destructive plan is simple: provide aid to the elderly for as long as they live based on a regressive tax on the poor and middle class.  Here's where it gets crazy.... In order to ensure that the elderly are happy receiving this financial assistance (accurately labeled welfare), social security will NOT be means tested- which means that EVERYBODY gets it- including guys like Warren Buffet.  This is to distinguish it from welfare.  It's also driven up the cost signficantly- especially when coupled with the increase in longevity.
3)  Any time there are plans to redistribute money, there are always winners and losers.  The current generation receiving social security etc. is a big winner- they are getting out far more than they ever put in.  The downside is that the taxes required are killing small businesses- and we've seen the results of that- jobs moving to China, lack of innovation, a downward spiral of the economy- and a burgeoning group of wealthy individuals.

While I can sympathize with the plight of the elderly forced to make hard choices in their budgets, I have very little sympathy for people who were warned of a problem (see the Concord Coalition with such luminaries as Jimmy Carter providing support) and who basically bulldozed the rest of us into submission.  At this point, they're getting what I see are the natural consequences of their actions and unreasonable wishes.


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RE: The elderly are skipping meals.. - 4/16/2009 8:23:49 AM   
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Sam... you say they are suffering for their actions and unreasonable wishes.  You point out how bad it is for the small business person... although I don't agree with all you said... I must make comment or ask a question here.  If small business's are being run into the ground and can't survive... I know, been there, done that... then how is it that you cannot imagine that some of these older folks might have had the right idea, work hard, save and yet got ran out of business???

What if it was their adult um's that got ran out of business and were about to lose a home and they didn't think of their own wants and needs and helped their family.  Or.. maybe their parents got ill.  Or.. somebody got cancer!  Or a fire the insurance company didn't pay for.  Or natural disaster.

Your view isn't too wide spread is it?  Not everyone who does think about life and what it takes is lucky enough to make it happen.  Sometimes bad things happen to good people and it is not in their control.

As for the AARP... I don't really have a clue.  But... I am sure the AARP didn't formulate social security... in fact... I think is was someone else that helped bring that about.  Oh yeah... government employes's.  The AARP and government employee's can't totally be blamed on the 'people'.  The 'people' have some part in it I am sure... but power is power and sometimes people take power and abuse it... like some of those government employee's.

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