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kittinSol -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/5/2009 7:57:23 PM)

Term's riot is that he believes that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a valid historical document with much wisdom to be shared. He also quoted from a couple of notorious neo-Nazis websites - that's what happens, when the subject of Israel comes up: people like Term invoke the spirit of Hitler. You missed nothing.



JonnieBoy -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/5/2009 8:30:52 PM)

Shit ... like hell I missed nothing,now we get "valid historical documents" to grin at,where I developed my beliefs,if you got hit over the head with a "valid historical document" you were never waking up again.

Protocols ... you'll have to help me out there but I know it won't change my mind about the racist state of Israel,I have had too much first hand experience of racism in practice to be fooled.I have a good deal of wisdom built up over many years and I suspect that most of the times I have been targeted on this site upon similar and the same issue is because of indoctrinated ignorance and/or by those too shallow to judge by anything other than my appearance.

I am not sorry I was away and I don't think I was missed by any stretch of the imagination.I have seen people killed because of their race,as well as wounded,left with scars and some.

Genocide is a racist act.Therefore I will say again Israel is a racist state (as was the Third Reich)
All that it should have been ...... is not what it has become ... it is such an abysmal pity.

Pirate



Termyn8or -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/5/2009 10:21:37 PM)

"Protocols ... you'll have to help me out there "

Mail me if you want. It is purported to be written by an enemy of Zionists, but self purports to be written by an elder Zionist. This in and of itself creates a great controversy, and it's content does not abate that one bit, to say the least. Mail me for details, I shall not go any further in the open forum.

T



RCdc -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/6/2009 1:48:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Protocols ... you'll have to help me out there "

Mail me if you want. It is purported to be written by an enemy of Zionists, but self purports to be written by an elder Zionist. This in and of itself creates a great controversy, and it's content does not abate that one bit, to say the least. Mail me for details, I shall not go any further in the open forum.

T


Well, I will go into it in the open because that is what people do when they have nothing to hide or be ashamed of.
The Book is a proven forgery and plagerised words of nineteenth century novel by Hermann Goedsche, under a pseudonym which was another plagerisation of Maurice Joly's book based on a political saitre which was also plagerized from another by the author Eugene Sue.  Neither mention 'Jews' and in fact Sues novel is about Jesuits.  The protocols were born after the book was confiscated by the secret police a number of years after the originals, so dating the forgeries isn't very difficult to do because of the time difference between the originals and the forgeries.
It has been used by the Likes of Ford and Hitler to justify anti semetic and anti communist behaviour and murder.
 
This is basic GCSE literature and history knowledge.
It's just another tool to lay blame elsewhere when people fuck up themselves.
 
the.dark.



kittinSol -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/6/2009 4:48:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

Shit ... like hell I missed nothing,now we get "valid historical documents" to grin at,where I developed my beliefs,if you got hit over the head with a "valid historical document" you were never waking up again.



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Apocalypso -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/6/2009 6:10:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Protocols ... you'll have to help me out there "

Mail me if you want. It is purported to be written by an enemy of Zionists, but self purports to be written by an elder Zionist. This in and of itself creates a great controversy, and it's content does not abate that one bit, to say the least. Mail me for details, I shall not go any further in the open forum.

T
Term, I've given you a source that categorically proves the Protocols to be a forgery beyond any reasonable doubt. 

Do give you an easy one to start with however.  This is from "The Dialogue in Hell Between Machivelli and Montesquieu" by Maurice Joly:

Montesquieu: How are loans made? By the issue of bonds entailing on the Government the obligation to pay interest proportionate to the capital it has been paid. Thus, if a loan is at 5%, the State, after 20 years, has paid out a sum equal to the borrowed capital. When 40 years have expired it has paid double, after 60 years triple: yet it remains debtor for the entire capital sum.

This is from the Protocols:

A loan is an issue of Government paper which entails an obligation to pay interest amounting to a percentage of the total sum of the borrowed money. If a loan is at 5%, then in 20 years the Government would have unnecessarily paid out a sum equal to that of the loan in order to cover the percentage. In 40 years it will have paid twice; and in 60 thrice that amount, but the loan will still remain as an unpaid debt.

"A Dialogue in Hell" was written in 1864, the Protocols was first published in 1903.  If the Protocols is a genuine document, how can you explain the structural similiarities between the two texts?

People aren't telling you that the Protocols are a forgery for no reason.  They're telling you that because they have been repeatedly proven to be so, since 1921 (in the Times).  And its somewhat worrying that you're citing a notorious antisemitic forgery, seemingly without having done even the most basic research in the area and then you're trying to change the subject when anyone calls you on it.  If you still want to argue that there is any chance the Protocols are genuine, start with the question of the two chunks of text above.






Termyn8or -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/6/2009 8:38:55 AM)

Dammit people, I have agreed to drop it. Engage me in mail. I swear I am going to avoid the subject in the future.

I HAVE ALREADY SAID that I could not care less where it came from. I have said that I don't care if it were typed out by the hypothetical monkeys that supposedly should write the works of Shakespeare at random.

But I would bet good money that if the words bougoise(sp) and proletarian were used throughout the thing instead of goyim and Jew, there would be alot less opposition to it's mention on a public forum such as this.

All I can say right now is this, it has alot less in the way of contradictions than the Bible. What's more, have you never found words of wisdom in a work of fiction ?

T



CruelNUnsual -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/6/2009 8:49:40 AM)

If they find comfort in the Bible, they have.



Raechard -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/6/2009 9:16:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy
You say ... even more (suspicion and paranoia)! There is enough suspicion and paranoia (and needless death) to prove that the UN "security" council is toothless and populated by frauds.

The UN forum is the only outlet for reassurance of intent between global leaders. Those that say it has achieved nothing should look at how standardised domestic law has become from one nation to the next with globalised priorities since the inception of the UN. It is not toothless as domestic law sometimes takes its lead from such international institutions. It's a shame some nations water down the intent of the laws when incorporating them into their own domestic laws but the aims are getting through. All you seem to be looking at is the well documented examples of failings rather than the overall picture.
 
If such institutions were toothless would people be protesting against globalisation?



philosophy -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/6/2009 9:40:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

But I would bet good money that if the words bougoise(sp) and proletarian were used throughout the thing instead of goyim and Jew, there would be alot less opposition to it's mention on a public forum such as this.



...you'd lose that bet. At least as far as i'm concerned.



RCdc -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/6/2009 9:50:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
What's more, have you never found words of wisdom in a work of fiction ?

T


There is no wisdom in bigotry.
 
the.dark.



Termyn8or -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/6/2009 9:52:17 AM)

Fine, I'll accept that as a valid opinion.

All I know that I was told never to mention Sherman in Savannah, and I didn't. I see this as pretty much the same.

T



JonnieBoy -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/7/2009 11:05:08 AM)

I said security council, which is not the same as UN forum (of which there are many)

Pirate



Raechard -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/7/2009 1:14:26 PM)


Well I'm not the one that mentioned the security council in the first place. So why the initial reply now though seemingly restricted to the security council that no one else made reference to specifically?

If you are saying the security council is toothless then review the outcome of resolutions 1701, 1704, 1793, 678.
 



JonnieBoy -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/7/2009 1:53:42 PM)

I can't be arsed to read any more UN security council hype,and I'm not here to be told what to read so for now,I will leave you to polish your rose tinted glasses and enjoy the sunshine while it lasts.
"security" is in the eye of the beholder and there are beholders all over the planet.

Pirate



Raechard -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/7/2009 2:03:42 PM)

Got anymore platitudes you’d like to exercise, why not try giving something of substance to prove your views? Reading something would be a start.



JonnieBoy -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/7/2009 2:09:37 PM)

You are witty.

Pirate



JonnieBoy -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/7/2009 2:19:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard
prove


Not my duty to "prove" anything.

Pirate



Raechard -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/9/2009 7:18:32 AM)

The idea of a forum (any forum) is to discuss things i.e. viewpoints. If you disagree with my viewpoint and don't use either logic or evidence based research to dispute it then that is simply an insult of my viewpoint rather than a discussion about it; leading to the possibility of me conceding I'm wrong. I have no problem someone having an opposite viewpoint to my own as long as this leads to some kind of discussion. You really need to ask yourself if you are getting the best value from this section of the forum by using one liner attacks on someone’s views rather than entering into a discussion about them. I have asked this of myself, I’m by no means whiter than white.
 
I gave you a list of four resolutions with positive outcomes I didn't ask you to look at these resolutions from the UN's perspective, you are free to look anywhere you like just as you are free to list the many other resolutions that resulted in not such a positive outcome. You chose not to do this but instead gave some tired old lines that you aren't the first to spew forth.
 
It's not duty no it's about knowing the purpose of a discussion forum. They'll be people that read this and laugh at me even saying it.



Termyn8or -> RE: Israel is a racist state, says Iranian president (5/10/2009 10:27:08 PM)

" leading to the possibility of me conceding I'm wrong."
 
One day Rae, maybe. Dammit, I seem to have picked up your font. But that's neither here nor there. I rarely expect my mere opinion to change that of others'. I have actually been bent here, but that was after a competent presentation of facts or logical conclusions. I expect noone to hold lower standards than that. Sure it can be opinion that sways anyone, but they better be pretty damn good ones.
 
The biggest problem is in post hoc ergo propter hoc. Many people see as proof something that isn't, even though totally factual it does not prove the point. Like how statistics can be made to lie, it is done all the time.
 
For example it is looking like the majority here is against the bailout, but does that in and of itself make it wrong ? No. They are doing it anyway, so does that prove that we still live in a republic as intended ? No. It proves something of course, but it does not prove that specific point.
 
All this does prove one thing though, two things are important. One is that you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, you can disagree with someone on 90% of an issue but totally agree on certain aspects of it. The other thing is to read the lines, not in between the lines.
 
I'll end with that because I am trying to cut down on hijacking.
 
T



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