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Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/24/2009 3:34:35 PM   
Lockit


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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/24/2009 3:51:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		The last swine flu scare was a fizzle.. I hope this one is as well.

It was a big scare.. I think in the early 70's and they rushed a vaccine that ended up killing and disabling more people than got the flu. Hope they can get it right this time.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/24/2009 4:46:42 PM   
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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/24/2009 7:06:41 PM   
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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 12:35:41 AM   
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Anyone remember the bird flu that was supposed to sweep the globe killing millions?  I'm not concerned.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic

...flu pandemics can kill millions. The last one in 1968 killed over 33,000 people in the US. i don't advocate worry.....that's a pretty useless form of paranoia, but sensible concern is a reasonable response.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 6:21:23 AM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic

...flu pandemics can kill millions. The last one in 1968 killed over 33,000 people in the US. i don't advocate worry.....that's a pretty useless form of paranoia, but sensible concern is a reasonable response.

I am completely aware of how bad they can be.  If I allow myself to worry or even be concerned by the "flu of the month" that is on the news, I would never leave my house.  The media is always claiming that this one is the next pandemic.  Being concerned from what the reporters say and speculate about is not sensible concern.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 7:59:35 AM   
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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 8:44:19 AM   
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The media is always claiming that this one is the next pandemic.  Being concerned from what the reporters say and speculate about is not sensible concern.


...oh, i couldn't agree more. However, a flu pandemic is a real possibility....so, as i said earlier, no need to get paranoid, but genning up on how to self treat flu to give oneself the best odds on survival is a sensible idea.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 9:10:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: philosophy


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic

...flu pandemics can kill millions. The last one in 1968 killed over 33,000 people in the US. i don't advocate worry.....that's a pretty useless form of paranoia, but sensible concern is a reasonable response.

I am completely aware of how bad they can be.  If I allow myself to worry or even be concerned by the "flu of the month" that is on the news, I would never leave my house.  The media is always claiming that this one is the next pandemic.  Being concerned from what the reporters say and speculate about is not sensible concern.


Then you might want to forget about the reporters and see what the scientists say. Following Philosophy's link would be a good start. The Wiki article contains a great deal of very useful information from epidemiologists, virologists, and other experts, all of which makes quite clear that the H5N1 (bird flu) pandemic is nowhere near the old news you seem to suggest it is. It's still very much alive, and still very much coming. In fact, researchers have identified several steps the virus must follow in order to reach the pandemic stage, and H5N1 has reached most of those stages more quickly than predicted. The solid consensus of researchers is that there's no way to prevent it from mutating into a form that will cause a human pandemic; it's only a question of when it will happen and how quickly we're able to respond when it does.

To categorically dismiss the issue as nothing more than media hype, rather than use the news stories as a starting point to educate one's self on the facts of the matter, is even more dangerous than getting sucked into the pop media hysteria. Anyone who's not genuinely concerned about this, on at least some level, is probably not fully aware of the facts.


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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 10:13:38 AM   
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That's *really* not good if it's true!

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 10:48:30 AM   
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I just read on Yahoo News that the WHO is probably going to raise the alert level as there is increasing evidence that the strain is spreading from "human to human."
That's *really* not good if it's true!


Oh-oh. You're right, that's most definitely not good.

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Officials say more than 1,000 people have been infected nationwide. Tests show 20 people have died of the swine flu, and 48 other deaths were probably due to the same strain. This virus is a mix of human, pig and bird strains that has epidemiologists around the world deeply concerned. The World Health Organization convened in Geneva Saturday to consider whether to declare an international public health emergency — a step that could lead to travel advisories, trade restrictions and border closures. The agency's director-general, Margaret Chan, said the outbreak involves "an animal strain of the H1N1 virus, and it has pandemic potential" — but it is too early to say whether a pandemic will actually occur.


We're all doomed.

This is a small sample size, but still - that's a possible mortality rate of 7%! That's roughly on a par with the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918, which coincidentally was also an H1N1 strain, same as this one. Too early to panic, but this is not good news at all. I'd better hurry up and reply to that last e-mail you sent me, before it's too late.


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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 10:53:42 AM   
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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 10:55:35 AM   
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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 10:56:08 AM   
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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 11:51:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		And didn't I just pick a lovely week to be vacationing in California?

And isn't it just wonderful that for the last day, I've been feeling ill, with flu-like symptoms? Cough, aches, sniffles and sneezes, fatigue?

Now if you'll all excuse me, I'm going back to bed. I'll let you know if i wake up.


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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 11:56:48 AM   
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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 2:42:36 PM   
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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 2:51:38 PM   
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I don't know exactly what that means but it sure doesn't sound good.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 3:18:29 PM   
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Yeah, I'm never really that concerned with these scares.  Maybe I should be, but I'm not.  When I was in college, they found out one of the students on campus had contracted TB.  The campus officials freaked out, and I had to stand in line for over an hour to get a test done. 


TB has killed more people in history than any other disease. Although it is treatable, the treatments take months and there are strains that are immune to the normal antibiotics - something caused by, if I remember right, a TB patient who would take his drugs when he felt bad, but not when he felt good. TB is such a worry that in some states, maybe all, I don't know, you can be imprisoned for the length of your treatment if found not taking the medicines correctly.

Flu is normally a cold weather phenomena. Seems odd to have an outbreak this time of year. It was just last year that I read some scientist claiming the reason for that being that the flu virus couldn't survive temps much over 40 or 50 degrees. By the way, story on yahoo has 8 suspected cases in New York now. Lockit's link sorta contradicts the bird flu detractors.

From the link:

But Mexicans were dying for weeks at least before U.S. scientists identified the strain _ a combination of swine, bird and human influenza that people may have no natural immunity to.

But yeah, there's not a whole hell of a lot you can do about it. Big difference between swine flu of the past and the bird flu being that bird flu wasn't contagious (I think) airborne to humans. Swine flu is.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/25/2009 4:29:23 PM   
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The first case was seen in Mexico on April 13. The outbreak coincided with the President Barack Obama’s trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at Mexico’s anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu, Reforma newspaper reported. The newspaper didn’t confirm if Solis had swine flu or not.


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