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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/26/2009 10:37:37 PM   
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Does seem a bit suspicious doesnt it.. and for the president to just have been there a week ago.. how wierd.. im glad i live in a small town isolated of sorts..

And yes i am a bad bad girl for not stocking up on those 3 months worth.. i guess walmart here we come!

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/26/2009 10:58:35 PM   
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It doesn't do any good to close the Mexican border when it's already in at least 5 other countries, and at least 4 states in the US. It's out. It's worldwide now, and it's all over the country. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/26/2009 11:42:09 PM   
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     A quick read on wiki says the 20-40 year old deaths in the 1918 pandemic might be because the strain killed by an over-reacting immune system.  The stronger and healthier the immune system, the bigger the over-reaction.


    I hadn't seen the reports on France and Spain confirming it. 


    The conspiracists are making me laugh pretty hard though.  Human-avian-swine doesn't scream government weapons laboratories.  It screams crappy little shack where a farmer keeps pigs and chickens.


May it came from a pig/chicken plant. At some point they will figure it out.
http://www.naturalnews.com/023936.html

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/26/2009 11:45:48 PM   
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Yup, cytokine storm, the same process that makes SARS and bird flu (H5N1) so deadly as well.

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     A quick read on wiki says the 20-40 year old deaths in the 1918 pandemic might be because the strain killed by an over-reacting immune system.  The stronger and healthier the immune system, the bigger the over-reaction.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 1:38:04 AM   
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It doesn't do any good to close the Mexican border when it's already in at least 5 other countries, and at least 4 states in the US. It's out. It's worldwide now, and it's all over the country. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle.


I agree with this.
It has an incubation period of 7 days +/-, so in a week there will be many more cases...all over.

The CDC does believe that both Tamiflu and Relenza are effective against this strain but also caution against their overuse (and to be effective they need to be taken very early in the course of the illness).


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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 5:50:12 AM   
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The other thing of course if this thing goes pandemic, it would mean yet another nail in the coffin for the world of finance. Those that have jobs might not be able to work due to symptoms or the work place being off limits due to infection.

A recent news report from the wheeled in expert suggests this bug did not come from pigs in Mexico, as no infection has been found there, there is the possibility it has come from a human source and has a bit of avian and human flu in the mix, it is the human element that makes it transmittable to humans via the normal route.

So, two people are being tested in Scotland for the bug, but Britain is boasting it is one of the best prepared in the world, with enough vaccine for half the population, something they did in response to the avian flu threat a couple of years back. surprising really.

So, a mutated flu virus consisting of other animal viruses, I still can't help thinking some twat has been playing games  with bugs.


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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 6:52:23 AM   
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So, a mutated flu virus consisting of other animal viruses, I still can't help thinking some twat has been playing games  with bugs.




      Yeah.  Alex Jones is all over that for you, Aneirin...

http://www.infowars.com/medical-director-swine-flu-was-cultured-in-a-laboratory/

      Probably aliens, but is it the Greys, or the Lizard People?

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 7:07:28 AM   
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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 10:11:32 AM   
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Drugs companies or weapons manufacturers.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 10:24:07 AM   
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Drugs companies or weapons manufacturers.

Chinese toy factories.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 11:20:06 AM   
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A way to thin the herd and accumulate more wealth in the hands of the very few.


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Drugs companies or weapons manufacturers.

Chinese toy factories.


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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 12:00:52 PM   
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In all seriousness, does anyone else think that pig farms have to be the numero uno culprit here? They dump all the shit in the environment (because they're allowed to), and the standards of hygiene are terrible, with no sanitation for those that exit those swine factories - and this goes for either sides of the border. Someone from the Center for Disease Control was on NPR this morning and she came just short of stating that the responsibility for swine flue lies with the pig people.

People should boycott pig products to send the message home to industrial pork producers: start acting responsibly, for fuck's sake.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 12:07:32 PM   
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Drugs companies or weapons manufacturers.


Na.  That's just paranoia.
 
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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 12:52:42 PM   
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In all seriousness, does anyone else think that pig farms have to be the numero uno culprit here? They dump all the shit in the environment (because they're allowed to), and the standards of hygiene are terrible, with no sanitation for those that exit those swine factories - and this goes for either sides of the border. Someone from the Center for Disease Control was on NPR this morning and she came just short of stating that the responsibility for swine flue lies with the pig people.

People should boycott pig products to send the message home to industrial pork producers: start acting responsibly, for fuck's sake.


Give up my grilled pork loin and bacon?!?!?!? NEVER!

I live in the middle of Pigsville USA, have been around flu ridden hogs off and on my entire life, I am not worried.

As for germs and pig farms.....visit a big hog operation just once. Most I've been to are fanatical about germ transmission. Any child day care or elementary school is a bigger germ factory than a hundred big hog operations put together.


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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 3:27:26 PM   
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Tigresse, you don't have to give up your bacon if you believe it's okay. You don't have to buy it from Smithfield farms either. Whilst I'm sure that there are responsible farmers out there, this sort of thing just makes me shudder: can such conditions really be irrelevant to 'swine flu'?

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The excrement of Smithfield hogs is hardly even pig shit: On a continuum of pollutants, it is probably closer to radioactive waste than to organic manure. The reason it is so toxic is Smithfield's efficiency. The company produces 6 billion pounds of packaged pork each year. That's a remarkable achievement, a prolificacy unimagined only two decades ago, and the only way to do it is to raise pigs in astonishing, unprecedented concentrations.

Smithfield's pigs live by the hundreds or thousands in warehouse-like barns, in rows of wall-to-wall pens. Sows are artificially inseminated and fed and delivered of their piglets in cages so small they cannot turn around. Forty fully grown 250-pound male hogs often occupy a pen the size of a tiny apartment. They trample each other to death. There is no sunlight, straw, fresh air or earth. The floors are slatted to allow excrement to fall into a catchment pit under the pens, but many things besides excrement can wind up in the pits: afterbirths, piglets accidentally crushed by their mothers, old batteries, broken bottles of insecticide, antibiotic syringes, stillborn pigs -- anything small enough to fit through the foot-wide pipes that drain the pits. The pipes remain closed until enough sewage accumulates in the pits to create good expulsion pressure; then the pipes are opened and everything bursts out into a large holding pond.

The temperature inside hog houses is often hotter than ninety degrees. The air, saturated almost to the point of precipitation with gases from shit and chemicals, can be lethal to the pigs. Enormous exhaust fans run twenty-four hours a day. The ventilation systems function like the ventilators of terminal patients: If they break down for any length of time, pigs start dying.

From Smithfield's point of view, the problem with this lifestyle is immunological. Taken together, the immobility, poisonous air and terror of confinement badly damage the pigs' immune systems. They become susceptible to infection, and in such dense quarters microbes or parasites or fungi, once established in one pig, will rush spritelike through the whole population. Accordingly, factory pigs are infused with a huge range of antibiotics and vaccines, and are doused with insecticides. Without these compounds -- oxytetracycline, draxxin, ceftiofur, tiamulin -- diseases would likely kill them. Thus factory-farm pigs remain in a state of dying until they're slaughtered. When a pig nearly ready to be slaughtered grows ill, workers sometimes shoot it up with as many drugs as necessary to get it to the slaughterhouse under its own power. As long as the pig remains ambulatory, it can be legally killed and sold as meat.

The drugs Smithfield administers to its pigs, of course, exit its hog houses in pig shit. Industrial pig waste also contains a host of other toxic substances: ammonia, methane, hydrogen sulfide, carbon monoxide, cyanide, phosphorous, nitrates and heavy metals. In addition, the waste nurses more than 100 microbial pathogens that can cause illness in humans, including salmonella, cryptosporidium, streptocolli and girardia. Each gram of hog shit can contain as much as 100 million fecal coliform bacteria.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12840743/porks_dirty_secret_the_nations_top_hog_producer_is_also_one_of_americas_worst_polluters

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 3:36:34 PM   
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I was just wondering... I cannot remember enough to think this one out, but I am sure some of you may know.

If one get's this flu and survives it, would they then have an antibody to it?

Also... wondering if Panda is stuck in Ca. and when he might know if he can go home by plane.

In Mexico today, near Mexico City, there was an earthquake.  It brought people outside and into crowds.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 3:42:42 PM   
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Once you catch a strain of a virus and you survive it, you should become immune to it, but the problem with flu viruses is that mutate rapidly. I'd ask the virologists on the boards though. Where are they when you need them?!!!

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 3:49:31 PM   
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Thank you kittenSol.  I am trying to put something together here in my mind and it isn't formatting! lol  I'm missing a chip or two!  This isn't my day for medical mysteries!  I just heard on the news that they have found that deluted bleach baths are helping young people with eczema, which kind of works with some thoughts I had on it in dealing with my daughter's severe case of it all her life.  I couldn't figure that one out too well either.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 3:51:17 PM   
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I was just wondering... I cannot remember enough to think this one out, but I am sure some of you may know.

If one get's this flu and survives it, would they then have an antibody to it?

Also... wondering if Panda is stuck in Ca. and when he might know if he can go home by plane.

In Mexico today, near Mexico City, there was an earthquake.  It brought people outside and into crowds.

As kittin says, you become immune to that strain and very closely related strains. That doesn't mean unfortunately that you cannot catch the flu again. The flu mutates very rapidly and a different person may be carrying a quite distinct strain able to infect you again. This is why the flu vaccine is actually a vaccine against a number of strains believed to be most likely to spread in a particular season.

IOW don't count on being immune to the flu simply because you survive getting it.

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RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA - 4/27/2009 4:06:19 PM   
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Thank you DomKen.  I am very lucky that with an illness I have as long as it isn't in remission, I don't get viruses.  It's weird.  I only seem to get them when I am in remission, but I don't get them as bad as others do, but it will kick me out of remission real fast.  I may be wrong, but it has worked that way for me.

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