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kittinSol -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/27/2009 7:22:19 PM)

I just came across this...

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A La Gloria resident who spoke to the Guardian on condition of anonymity yesterday described how illness swept through the village. "Some people started getting ill in February and an eight-month-old baby died," she said. "After that another baby died on 21 March. Suddenly most of the village got ill. It was weekend and the tiny clinic here was closed. The state health authorities then did send doctors and nurses to look after us, and give us medication. About 60% of the village were ill and we asked them what it was and they said it was a severe and atypical cold. We talked about influenza and they said that was impossible, that influenza had been eradicated from Mexico."

Smithfield, which is led by pork baron Joseph W Luter III, has previously been fined for environmental damage in the US. In October 2000 the supreme court upheld a $12.6m (£8.6m) fine levied by the US environmental protection agency which found that the company had violated its pollution permits in the Pagan River in Virginia which runs towards Chesapeake Bay. The company faced accusations that faecal and other bodily waste from slaughtered pigs had been dumped directly into the river since the 1970s .

The outbreak of respiratory illness in the area of the Granjas Carroll plant was first detected at the beginning of this month by Veratect, a company based in Washington state which monitors the spread of disease and pandemics around the world for corporate clients.



Gross.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/27/swine-flu-search-outbreak-source



slaveboyforyou -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/27/2009 8:11:50 PM)

Kittin, you don't even know gross until you drive by a large pig farm.  The smell is overwhelming, and it will take your breath away even when you are miles away from one.  I thought the smell of paper mills was the worst until I was in the vicinity of a huge pig farm.  It really is a problem that should have been addressed years ago.  I like pork as much as the next person, but there has to be better ways to raise pigs than the way it's done now. 



kittinSol -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/27/2009 8:43:34 PM)

It's not surprising: the industrialisation of death has GOT to stink - there's not way to get around that. I agree with you: how can we expect to carry on with this kind of thing with impunity? It's a miracle we've had it so easy, considering how much bad shit goes on in these places.



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/27/2009 9:26:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

People should boycott pig products to send the message home to industrial pork producers: start acting responsibly, for fuck's sake.


I'm on your side, Kit. I've been boycotting some pig products for years now. I'll admit, I still eat bacon and pork chops, but I can't even remember the last time I bought a jar of pig shit. I'm willing to make almost any sacrifice.



housemouseinoz -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/27/2009 9:49:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

One person on a plane could infect dozens of others in that closed environment with recirculated air.
In quarantienes the best thing is for everyone to stay put and not move about.


A flight that arrived in Brisbane Australia from LAX had a passenger on board, that cabin crew suspected had flu like symptoms and was showing signs of being ill, quarantine
have taken the passenger to a hospital and isolated them. I'm not sure what they are doing about monitoring the rest of the passengers who were on the flight.

At the moment here in Australia, cabin crew must advise ground crew before they land, if they suspect they have any passengers on board who appear ill. They are also testing some people in New South Wales, Australia who arrived on a flight from overseas.

Sir and i are due to fly to the USA in mid June for a three week holiday. Six weeks away, anything could happen between now and then. This flu is certainly something to be concerned about (i think anyway), has the potential to kill......then it's a worry.



pahunkboy -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/27/2009 10:25:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

Kittin, you don't even know gross until you drive by a large pig farm.  The smell is overwhelming, and it will take your breath away even when you are miles away from one.  I thought the smell of paper mills was the worst until I was in the vicinity of a huge pig farm.  It really is a problem that should have been addressed years ago.  I like pork as much as the next person, but there has to be better ways to raise pigs than the way it's done now. 


North Coralina and now PA has these pig factories that wreck an area.  

Swine flu- comes from a US ploy on Cuba- we infected their pigs so as to wipe out the food and cause trouble. 



slaveboyforyou -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/27/2009 10:46:09 PM)

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Swine flu- comes from a US ploy on Cuba- we infected their pigs so as to wipe out the food and cause trouble. 


What?  Pahunkboy, stop listening to those nut-jobs on the radio. 



LaTigresse -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 3:30:37 AM)

Swine flu has been around for DECADES PA!



angelikaJ -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 3:51:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Swine flu- comes from a US ploy on Cuba- we infected their pigs so as to wipe out the food and cause trouble. 



PA,

Just because somebody makes a claim and then manufactures an argument that seems compelling to you, that does not mean they are telling the truth. It just means they are good at their job. If they weren't good at their job, they would not be on the air. Their job is to be provocative. In this case, one of the ways to do that is by making farfetched claims and presenting conspiracy theorist hype. It does not mean that what they are saying has a basis in fact (actually, usually it will have some small piece of information that is factual but the rest...it is made up).



servantforuse -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 6:27:03 AM)

It doesn't suprise me that this started in Mexico. You can't even drink the water down there without getting sick. Except for Cancun, it's still a 3rd world country..



LaTigresse -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 7:32:07 AM)

Using fast reply......

If a person wishes to boycott pork because they find the conditions the hogs are raised in disgusting, then they should also be prepared to be vegan, unless you are going to personally source every bit of animal protein you use. Including the items you do not ingest.

Travel through Kansas and past the huge beef feed lots that make me gag every time.
Or visit a big turkey or chicken confinement, equally gross and nauseating. I drive past a dozen or more, daily, twice a day.
Visit Frytown Iowa and CountryLane Eggs, see where your eggs come from.

While none of it is wonderful, when someone comes up with a better way to produce the amount of animal protein we consume in this country for an affordable price, I am sure that way will be adopted.



kittinSol -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 8:26:38 AM)

Not eating pork comes naturally to me :-) . As for the rest, I'm as careful as I can be when it comes to animal products. What's happened is that the desire for ultra cheap meat and eggs has led to the catastrophic conditions we see today, but meat shouldn't have to be so cheap that it costs less per pound than potatoes or onions. That's sick.

If improved conditions means higher prices, then so be it. Or perhaps companies like Smithfield could hack their profits a little? Human beings can have a perfectly healthy diet with less meat. It's a fallacy propagated by the agro industry that human beings need to eat meat every day to flog their cheap crap to the consumers. Consumers don't have to (literally) eat shit to survive.

If someone can afford to eat organic every day, all the better for them (I certainly can't). But the murder farms that produce discount price pork and beef must be forced to clean up their act. Unless we want to see more of that 'swine flu' panic, of course.



Irishknight -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 8:37:22 AM)

As far as the meat and eggs I eat, I can drive to where 90% of them came from on less than 1/4 tank.  I hope to increase that to 100% in the near future.

I used to live near a hog confinement and those things should be illegal.  They are filthy and the smell makes it nearly imposible to sit out on your porch and enjoy the weather or look at the stars. 

The fact is that there are better ways, healthier and more humane ways, to raise our food.  They are more expensive but they are better.  This would mean bringing back real farmers and farms instead of animal factories.  Yes, the price of a pork chop would rise.  I would be willing to pay it.  Having eaten farm raised animals and the same animals raised in these horrid conditions, I find there to be a vast difference in the quality of the food when you get it from an animal that has not spent its entire life in a cage, a tiny lot knee deep in shit or on concrete also knee deep in shit. 

When I was a kid, we kept two hogs in the same space these animal factories keep 20 or 30.  As soon as I can afford it, we'll be doing it again. 



LaTigresse -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 9:31:47 AM)

I agree with you Irish. Unfortunately the greater percentage of people in this country do not.

I am very fortunate in that either Iowa is doing something to force their farmers to control odours or the farmers around here do it voluntarily, because it really isn't all that terrible MOST of the time. The days they are pumping the pits are the exception to the rule.........[:'(].

Another thing that frustrates me, people creating new developements in rural areas and then complain about the smell. Stay in the city if you cannot handle the reality of rural life.

I still cannot blame hog confinements in Iowa on mutated swine flu in Mexico. Viruses mutate all the time.



popeye1250 -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 10:06:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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Swine flu- comes from a US ploy on Cuba- we infected their pigs so as to wipe out the food and cause trouble. 


What?  Pahunkboy, stop listening to those nut-jobs on the radio. 


Yeah PaHunk, you been listening to "NPR" again?
Obviously you wearn't wearing your tin foil hat to protect you from the "alpha waves" that they broadcast from their transmitters. :)



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 11:55:35 AM)

Here we go. California is reporting 2 possible deaths in Los Angeles. California is delaring a state of emergency, but the governor says there's no cause for alarm, and if you can figure that one out please send me an e-mail. New York is reporting humdreds of possible new cases. Just breaking now on CNN, which I'm holed up in my hotel in San Francisco watching because I'm too sick to get out of bed.... terrific.



servantforuse -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 11:59:09 AM)

I don't see this as a huge problem. 34,000 people die in the United States every year from some type of flu. This is a strain of flu and not much different than others. It is being blown all out of proportion. Remember the 'bird flu'? Not much but a lot of hype there either.



Lockit -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 11:59:13 AM)

Panda, you are there alone.  Have you considered going to the hospital?  You have been sick a long time here and don't seem to be getting better. Please consider it.



Vendaval -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 12:00:40 PM)

Irish Knight and La T,
 
I am very much in agreement with both of you about the need to have safer, more sanitary and more human conditions for raising and slaughtering livestock and poultry. Given optimum conditions I would have bit of land and some of my own livestock and barnyard fowls.  Until that day, the best I can do is buy local and/or organic inspect it carefully.

(grammar edit)



Lockit -> RE: Swine flu transmitted to humans Mexico/USA (4/28/2009 12:01:21 PM)

I would rather be a bit over cautious than sorry because I wasn't.



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