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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 4:03:39 AM

subliscious

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ORIGINAL: Malkinius

Greetings subliscious....

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ORIGINAL: subliscious
I too have been very amused reading this thread. If rlslavery.com is such a good site why is there a need to come to a very popular bdsm site to promote it?

Yes I have been to the site and read quite a bit. Seems like a whole lot of fantasy wrapped up in cloud cuckoo land. So if you have only come here to insult the very many REAL slaves and Masters here you are showing the desperation of that site to be recognised.

I didn't come here to promote it. I often do recommend it for people interested in consensual slavery. At least the essay parts. They scare away most who are not looking for slavery but for a kinky lover with fancy titles. It is useful for the same reason the Internal Enslavement website is useful. For the information that is there that I don't have to repeat. It is there to be learned from.

To you it is fantasy. To me, it is what I do. It really is that simple. Guardian was one of the first people, not of my background, to say things that were not the usual politically correct play crap I get from most people in the "BDSM Lifestyle". Sorry....but that is how I view it. I don't play. I live. His is a site for people who want to live something full time to the greatest extent they can. To emphasize the difference, he goes to the extreme. Yes, people do go there and often do so willingly. I think you may protest so much because you fear what is there and fear that you couldn't do it. So therefore it is automatically an impossible fantasy. I am very familiar with that response. The flip side of that is that the fear is there because it might be what you secretly desire but are afraid to let be known. Obviously, I don't know you and what really motivates you. But I do know your response and what motivates it most of the time. I have seen it many times before in this and other contexts.

Do have fun with your play.....and your imagination of what about what some things and some people are not.

Malkinius

Darling you assume too much. Others here LIVE the lifestyle and don't just PLAY. I am sensible enough to be able to live the life and not get caught up in the fantasies that reside on sites like that. If you think you are so much more "special" than those of us here then I suggest you stay on the fantasy site.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 4:34:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: Malkinius
I know Guardian would find most your comments hilarious.

Thank you very much. I'm available for weddings, funerals and bar mitzvahs.

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What is done is similar enough between the two levels that you could, to use the baseball analogy, call it the same 'game' but it is done at totally different levels. If you get the feeling that I prefer the higher level, you would be correct. Most other things below that are just playing at it.

Yes, but you haven't actually backed up that argument so it doesn't really work. It's like me going "my BDSM is like a steak while yours is like a hamburger". Unless I can substantiate it, it doesn't mean anything.

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So....some of you will be insulted by my words....and definitely by what is on that site.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm neither. Amused contempt is all I can muster I'm afraid.

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My past experience says that the people most offended are those who either can't meet the definitions of such a group or want to create their own definitions that few others agree with.

Guardian is recognised as an authority on BDSM definitions? What are his credentials? Is he a linguist?

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There also tends to be less misinformation than has been running through this thread. Some of it has been corrected. I hope the rest of it gets corrected as well.

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but a lot of the criticism has been targeted directly at what the site says, with direct quotations.

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I do suggest that those of you who are not afraid and in hiding go ahead and sign up and read what is there. Read the essays for yourself and even the forums. It is a very slow moving site unlike CM. Who knows, you might learn something.

If you actually push me on this I will do. But I don't think it's a good idea. What's gone on in this thread is criticism of the site, in response to somebody starting a thread praising it. That's entirely legitimate. Actually, most of the criticism has been about the ideas presented there. You can disagree with it, but it's hardly unfair to critique somebody's ideas.

For me to actually join the site, knowing fully well I'm antagonistic towards what it has to say, would be a different matter. That's deliberately picking a fight, which I don't think is the most productive thing I could be doing.

It's not about being scared or being in hiding. It's about not going over to somebody else's site merely to cause trouble.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 5:20:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: Malkinius

It is as close as can be done given the laws of the countries in which we live....

(In reply to other comments, I know when I'm being condescended to and don't accept it lightly. Call that what you will)

Consider, perhaps, that the people you condescendingly refer to as fantasists, or play Doms and subs are also striving to get as close as can be done, given their own circumstances...

Consider, perhaps, that there is nothing wrong with the Dom expecting their property to continue their existence within the Vanilla world.

Consider, perhaps, that not everyone who takes on the responsibility for a slave finds it possible or indeed desirable to have them submit to the level of utter control you espouse.

Consider that it may not be a matter for belittlement that an owner doesn't want to dehumanise their property.

Consider, that as you and the denizens are the tiny, extreme, minority, in a minority community (such as it is), that a little less belligerence, a little less "OnoTrueWay"ism MAY be an idea.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 6:50:33 AM

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1. You have a valid point there. But in no point in history, to my knowledge, has slavery every been merely a recreational sex game and nothing more. That is my pet peeve about the majority of slaves on this site and many others.

1. That's because the real historical slavery in this country was made illegal by the thirteenth amendment in 1865. If you admit to actually engaging in that crime, I'll call you the real deal and I'll also call the police. If instead you have redefined slavery to include the consent, telling other people that they can't also redefine the word doesn't make any sense. At that point the position essentially boils down to "when I make up a definition it makes me the real deal but when you make up a definition it makes you a faker".

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ORIGINAL: MissAO
As I read in one slave contract - "You have the right to decide whether or not you will be my slave. But if you do decide to be my slave, that is the last decision you will ever make."

2. That isn't consensual, but if this a practice that anyone is actually thinking about engaging in don't get your legal advice from me or some asshat on the other site, get your legal advice from a lawyer. Ask them if your slave manges to escape goes to the police and tells them that he was being restrained against his will, is that contract going to make everything ok or will you end up in jail.

3. However, if instead of going with the historical or legal definitions of a slave we go with Merriam-Websters dictionary http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery note definition 2: "submission to a dominating influence". That definition is so broad that any sub with a dom can accurately be called a slave. Heck even vanilla 50's housewives were slaves by that definition.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 7:14:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: Malkinius
is about the difference between high school baseball and the New York Yankees at their worst.

That doesn't seem like a terribly accurate analogy, the one I'd use is that it's about the difference between age play and pedophilia.

Having sex with a "baby" or a "little girl" is a consensual act between adults : having sex with a baby or a little girl is a horrible crime.

Having "ownership" of a "slave" is a consensual act between adults : having ownership of a slave is a horrible crime.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 7:24:09 AM

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RLslavery.com
Just found it, didn't enter since it says it keeps records of all visitors ISPs.

I have all the real slavery I need here on the circle C..I am slave to the tractor, I am slave to the hay field, I am slave to taking cae of I180 heaD OF CATTLE,I AM SLAVE TO TAKING CARE OF 4 HORSES AND 13 HOUNDS..I GUESS i AM JUST A SLAVE TO EVERY THING...I HAVE CHECK OUT THE SITE, IT HAS A FEW INTERESTING THINGS PARTICULAR FOR A NEWBOIE..BOUNTY//PS EXCUSE THE CAPS...

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 8:26:46 AM

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I've just tried to join the site, and had a good look around the open areas while I wait for "approval".

My initial impression (note, this is without access to the forums and the writings of any other members of the site except the owners):

The overriding tone of the site is deep, deep, sarcasm. Defensive sarcasm. The type that is used by someone who has been deeply hurt by someone or something. It's the tone of a geek who wishes they were a bully.

The signup process is overly defensive and again laced with sarcasm. I use google mail to sign up for everything, as I find their service to be comprehensive and mobile enough to be the most useful. The site, however, has a problem with this...indeed, it specifically names google mail addresses as not REAL addresses. Funny, any mail sent to the address arrives. That seems sufficiently real to me. HOWEVER....

It wants an address from a REAL (and fuck me, I'm now getting TIRED of seeing the word REAL) ISP. I give it one. Because it's not on the approved list - probably because it's not AMERICAN, or not in the top five, or some other criteria, it gets rejected again!

No worries, I have another. This one works. Cue more sarcasm, as I'm told that not only must I verify the address, but I won't get the verification mail until the application has been vetted.

Now, I fully assume that because I refuse to use my real name on the internet and have identified as an Owner as opposed to parttime wishy washy play dom,as I guess I should have...my application will no doubt be rejected. I expect, even though the approval process is probably manual, I will not be supplied with a reason for this rejection.

Onward to their well stocked Encyclopedia....with....oh....SIX entries. Cue more deep sarcasm.

OK, let's try their introductory essays: Cue even more deep sarcasm, with simulated Q&A's where the author gets to indulge their love of condescending insults.

......

From what I've read now, what I see is someone who is so disillusioned with their failures in the BDSM community at large have been so crushing, so absolute that they have been forced to retreat to this elitist, paranoid world where they're right and everyone else is just playing games.

Nice.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 10:33:00 AM

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Dear GotSteel,

1. You have a valid point there. But in no point in history, to my knowledge, has slavery every been merely a recreational sex game and nothing more. That is my pet peeve about the majority of slaves on this site and many others.

2. The owner of RLslavery.com writes several times that the site is about consensual slavery. He spends a lot of time discussing consensual slavery versus non consensual slavery - which he strongly states is illegal AND that he will aid in prosecution of anyone doing anything against someone's consent. Thus the logging of ISP addresses and that anyone signing up at the site must register with a traceable e-mail address - no yahoo or any other anonymous e-mail servers.

The slaves described on the site willingly and knowingly enter into a "slave contract." He illustrates the difference between consensual slavery and conditional slavery (which he does not believe is truly slavery) - where a person says "I will be a slave only if certain requirements are met" - conditions such as monogamy, sexual practices, affection, love, having a job, etc. A slave of the type described in this website, consensually agrees to be a slave regardless of what such slavery may entail, and may not dictate anything else that will occur or not occur after the agreement of a master/slave relationship has been made. The site also goes into the responsibilities of an owner, because owning a slave requires one to take total responsibility for a person's entire life. The bottom line is; a slave has the right to freely choose to say, or to not say "I will be a slave" but once that is said, the slave has no rights whatsoever.

As I read in one slave contract - "You have the right to decide whether or not you will be my slave. But if you do decide to be my slave, that is the last decision you will ever make."

Be well,
~A

my issue with this is simple. the site declares slaves as property, chattle, possessions. my car cannot enter into a contract with anyone. is the argument that a woman isnt a slave until she makes the decision to enter a contract, thus signing over all her rights?

tazzy

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 11:39:39 AM

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Malkinius old chap, aye it has indeed been too long. As I have said I have no inclination to visit the site, life being too short to spend time on such pursuits. However you are not the only person who I know who does recommend it as a matter of education. It does not suprise me that some knock it for a number of reasons, but then again just look at the numbers who knock the Gorean Lifestyles as opposed to Gorean RP, and lump them together with Trekies. Those same people have often never sat down and tried to understand the attraction to the Gorean Lifestyles, and fail to understand that if the Gorean Lifestylers were to model themselves on the golden period of the various historical civilizations, taking out all that was great and honourable and developing their own ways of living it within today's restrictive civilization and recognising that what is being done it to understand what a person could be instead of what they are. A worthy goal to follow in my book. However those same people who knock, applaude the M/s Masters and Mistrises who do not identify with Gorean whilst following either the same or a similar lifestyle without the language, protocols and labels...

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 12:10:30 PM

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my issue with this is simple. the site declares slaves as property, chattle, possessions. my car cannot enter into a contract with anyone. is the argument that a woman isnt a slave until she makes the decision to enter a contract, thus signing over all her rights?

tazzy

The contract exists between the person who sells/gives/exchanges the car to the person accepting the car. In an example like this a person sells/gives/exchanges their slavery to the person accepting it.

the.dark.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 1:33:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Malkinius

I do suggest that those of you who are not afraid and in hiding go ahead and sign up and read what is there.

I am curious, why does the site log IPs? Why does it restrict certain types? I haven't been there and don't have time right now, but I am curious about that part. Is there some particular reason you know of? I can see how it would put a lot of people off. Keep in mind some of us value a degree of anonymity for good reasons.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 2:40:58 PM

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If someone is actually living it, then it is not fantasy. Just a different form of what others are doing. The extent of it many do not believe is possible or should be allowed, so they discount it. It does not matter whether someone discounts it, or writes it off as fantasy, if individuals are actually living it, then it is reality.

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ORIGINAL: subliscious

Darling you assume too much. Others here LIVE the lifestyle and don't just PLAY. I am sensible enough to be able to live the life and not get caught up in the fantasies that reside on sites like that. If you think you are so much more "special" than those of us here then I suggest you stay on the fantasy site.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 3:10:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
my issue with this is simple. the site declares slaves as property, chattle, possessions. my car cannot enter into a contract with anyone. is the argument that a woman isnt a slave until she makes the decision to enter a contract, thus signing over all her rights?

tazzy

The contract exists between the person who sells/gives/exchanges the car to the person accepting the car. In an example like this a person sells/gives/exchanges their slavery to the person accepting it.

the.dark.

in order for the analogy to work, wouldnt the slave have to be sold or given or gifted from another person? a slave cannot enter into a contract. as so many have stated these types of contracts are not binding or helpful at all in a court of law anyways. if i beg to be a man's slave, i was his slave long before the words slipped past my lips. its not a gift, im not giving him anything, im not selling myself into slavery, he has me by his ability to have mastered me. the contract is a sweet sentiment, but definitely not necessary.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 3:21:04 PM

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Have cars started selling themselves now? Is that GM's plan to save themselves? Cut out the salesmen?

A car CAN NOT sell itself
a slave CAN NOT sell herself/enter into a contract and have it be legal.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/3/2009 4:01:21 PM

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Greetings Padriag....

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ORIGINAL: Padriag
I am curious, why does the site log IPs? Why does it restrict certain types? I haven't been there and don't have time right now, but I am curious about that part. Is there some particular reason you know of? I can see how it would put a lot of people off. Keep in mind some of us value a degree of anonymity for good reasons.

Without going back to check what I recall is so that several things are done. The first is to reduce the number of trolls using yahoo/hotmail/gmail/etc addresses. It forces people to have some accountability for being real and not the all too often lying about most things that they are. It reduces the casual browsers and the people who might be looking for nonconsensual slavery. That is a big part of why IP address are collected. So if someone causes trouble they can be dealt with in ways that you can not with the free email addresses. There was a quote earlier in the thread that gives one of those reasons...if someone goes there to either promote non-consensual slavery or be a non-consensual predator. I have never seen either happen in the time I have been on that forum.

Over all...it is to keep people away. He is not trying to be something for everyone or even something for most. It is intended to be very exclusive as is the right of whoever creates a forum. He is looking only for generally like minded people. If someone has a problem with that, they should take it up with the site owner and that certainly isn't me.

Be well....

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/4/2009 11:47:16 AM

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in order for the analogy to work, wouldnt the slave have to be sold or given or gifted from another person? a slave cannot enter into a contract. as so many have stated these types of contracts are not binding or helpful at all in a court of law anyways. if i beg to be a man's slave, i was his slave long before the words slipped past my lips. its not a gift, im not giving him anything, im not selling myself into slavery, he has me by his ability to have mastered me. the contract is a sweet sentiment, but definitely not necessary.

No, not at all.
If you use this specific analagy, you(using it generic not personally) are not a slave until you are owned. You may have the mindset of a slave and the potential, but no person is a slave until captured. Now we could get all romantic and say that your Master captured your heart before you were enslaved, but it is really a chicken and egg scenario. Slaves are not slaves until owned. Masters are not Masters until they own something that others cannot. You can have the mindset, the potential and you can even use it to identify yourself in a way that can assist with your personality. It is like being dominant. You cannot be dominant unless you have something to be dominant over. You can have the ideas and hold the ideology high, but not practice it.

That said, a car has to come from somewhere. If it is easy to go even further back, then take a cart. Someone makes and builds that cart. They tend it, shape it, varnish it and make it look attractive. Make it waterproof, build the wheels to withstand certain weights or functions. Then when someone needs it and desires it, they they sell it, pass it on, or give it away. Doesn't mean they may not add a roof, change the colour and alter it more to their liking.

So, as a person who has the slave mindset, you create something attractive, you eat, you exercise, you work to bring in an income so you by things to make it look attractive. Then when a person(s) comes along who needs it and desires to take on your slavery, you sell it, pass it on, or give it away. Does not mean they will not alter it to their liking.

To have been mastered, one has to accept mastery in exchange for slavery. There is no sentimental thought, just one not existing without the other.

Note, that giving, does not mean gift. Sometimes one has to give up in able to give in and ultimately to get.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/4/2009 1:01:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Dinnardin

Have cars started selling themselves now? Is that GM's plan to save themselves? Cut out the salesmen?

A car CAN NOT sell itself
a slave CAN NOT sell herself/enter into a contract and have it be legal.

John, AKA Dinnardin

No Person can sell themselves as It is illegal to sell people as property in all 50 states.

So anytime someone is sold into slavery it is always illegal.

No Slavery Contact is legally binding in all 50 states.

Nor can one sell oneself for money in anystate unless it is for sexual favors only and only in cities and counties where it is Legal.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/4/2009 1:10:03 PM

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There is another site that I used to frequent that seems to be similar to this so far as all were extreme in there thinking, there was little or no room for variences and many ideas that to me are fantasies that are probably better off remaining fantasies are actually lived out (people sleeping in cages chained to beds at night-- sounds hot, but I know my bladder wouldn't cooperate).

Anyway, I drifted away from that sight after I found this one because while I found it interesting, I also felt like an outsider looking in.

as an aside: I guess I am a troll because as of my job loss I no longer have a "real" e-mail address.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/4/2009 2:42:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

There is another site that I used to frequent that seems to be similar to this so far as all were extreme in there thinking, there was little or no room for variences and many ideas that to me are fantasies that are probably better off remaining fantasies are actually lived out (people sleeping in cages chained to beds at night-- sounds hot, but I know my bladder wouldn't cooperate).

Actually Omega lass, these aren't fantasies but a reality for some. I have had a girl sleep in a purpose built cage/kennel and often had one sleep in our bed, chained to the bed with a chain sufficiently long to allow emergency visits to the dunny. Now for the sake of safety, the chain was attached to her ankle shackle with a snap link in case of a disaster like a house fire just as the cage/kennel had an emergency release for the same reason. There is fantasy and then there is a common sense approach. From what I have read here, the owner of the site in question may sound extreme and even in the realms of fantasy for many, but then were it discussed on another board such as the Gorean Board for example, you may find a number5 of folk agreeing in principle. After all it is the application which is important rather than the expressed ideas. This is the basis of lifestyles such as the 1950's home, Victorian era Lifestyles and the Gorean Lifestyles. It would certainly be correct for me to always dress in the late 1800's attire (which I enjoy anyway as does Neets) but not overly practicle and it is also impracticle especially living in a city to use a horse and carrage as my mode of transport. Doesn't mean that under the right circumstances in the future I won't do my shopping in the clostest small village that bway but again it is the practical application of what can be done safely.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/4/2009 3:49:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

There is another site that I used to frequent that seems to be similar to this so far as all were extreme in there thinking, there was little or no room for variences and many ideas that to me are fantasies that are probably better off remaining fantasies are actually lived out (people sleeping in cages chained to beds at night-- sounds hot, but I know my bladder wouldn't cooperate).

Actually Omega lass, these aren't fantasies but a reality for some. I have had a girl sleep in a purpose built cage/kennel and often had one sleep in our bed, chained to the bed with a chain sufficiently long to allow emergency visits to the dunny. Now for the sake of safety, the chain was attached to her ankle shackle with a snap link in case of a disaster like a house fire just as the cage/kennel had an emergency release for the same reason. There is fantasy and then there is a common sense approach. From what I have read here, the owner of the site in question may sound extreme and even in the realms of fantasy for many, but then were it discussed on another board such as the Gorean Board for example, you may find a number5 of folk agreeing in principle. After all it is the application which is important rather than the expressed ideas. This is the basis of lifestyles such as the 1950's home, Victorian era Lifestyles and the Gorean Lifestyles. It would certainly be correct for me to always dress in the late 1800's attire (which I enjoy anyway as does Neets) but not overly practicle and it is also impracticle especially living in a city to use a horse and carrage as my mode of transport. Doesn't mean that under the right circumstances in the future I won't do my shopping in the clostest small village that bway but again it is the practical application of what can be done safely.

I had tried to say in the original post that people on that board were doing things that I fantasize about but when I think about practicalities I know that it's something that for me needs to be kept in fantasy land.

But then, there are people here who sleep on the floor by the bed and that would lead to sleep deprevation for me, but here, the diversity is expected, at the other site there was far more people who all thought the same way and a culture had grown around that.

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