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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/4/2009 4:27:29 PM

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Off-topic post.

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...and yes assisted suicide is illegal. acutally it is illegal to attempt suicide. go figure.

In some countries, not only is it illegal to attempt suicide but it is illegal to commit suicide.

Before you start laughing too hard, it can matter - it can affect things like probate, validity of wills, the right to have a gravestone.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/4/2009 5:43:58 PM

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Any members of RL Real slavery, it is so ideal, Real slavery is what it is all about, agree?

No, I can not agree that Real slavery is what is is all about. Not on this site, I can't. CollarMe is a broad and generic BDSM website, probably the widest used and most comprehensive free BDSM site in the world. So I can't agree that any one specific way is what "it is all about" for a non-specific forum here.

I have some views of slavery that many here would take to be extreme and as this thread shows, I am not alone in that. However, RLSlavery does go a bit overboard into fantasy in what the (apparently sole) owner says is slavery.

I have heard from US lawyers that there are rights that cannot be disabled.
Defining a slave as 'a piece of (movable) personal property (a.k.a. "chattel") owned by another person' is pathetic. A slave - in the meaning of this site or that one - is a person; if something is personal property then it is owned so need not be repeated. 'A person owned by another person' would be quite sufficient.
'a slave can also just as easily be misused and abused' is obviously true but so what? It is obviously true. It is also just as obviously true - of historic, non-consensual slaves just as much as consensual slaves - that misusing and abusing a slave too much means that the slave will run away.
Then it gets worse: 'Slavery is about control: the utter and total domination and control over another human being's life,' yet also on the site: 'If your Owner decided to ... ignore you completely you would accept ... That is what 'real' slaves do.' In that latter case, slavery need not be about control, domination or anything at all! Let's face it, slavery is about ownership, which might or might not be total domination or total control.
And while I personally largely agree with this: 'Slavery is also about responsibility: the utter and total responsibility of another human being's life,' it does not gel with the idea that an owner could be a lazy slob who does nothing.

I have no problem with consensual slavery being as deep as the law will allow. I have no problem with somone running their own website about their own, narrow, view of slavery. I do wish that they were a bit more sensible and thoughtful. I do think that if people take this site too seriously, either owner or slave, they could find themselves seriously hurt and in serious trouble.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/4/2009 11:05:50 PM

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Greetings Interesdom....

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In some countries, not only is it illegal to attempt suicide but it is illegal to commit suicide.

Before you start laughing too hard, it can matter - it can affect things like probate, validity of wills, the right to have a gravestone.

The reason for that is simple. It is always illegal to damage or destroy government property. <grins>

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/5/2009 8:23:03 AM

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I actually went and took a look at the site, simply because of the reaction of so many in this thread.

I found nothing overly offensive about it at all. It was/is very well written and concise. In fact, there are many areas that the site discusses that I found myself totally agreeing with.

I find it amusing that so many can be offended by another's personal opinion about something. No where in my reading did I find them attempting to force their opinions on me; in fact, they go out of their way to stress that what is written there is solely the thoughts, and opinions of those who belong to the site.

It kind of makes me wonder why so many people are so quick to 'protest' so quickly. Though, to be honest, finding the answer to that question, is not one that I think I want to know

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/5/2009 2:53:50 PM

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I actually went and took a look at the site, simply because of the reaction of so many in this thread.

I found nothing overly offensive about it at all. It was/is very well written and concise. In fact, there are many areas that the site discusses that I found myself totally agreeing with.

I find it amusing that so many can be offended by another's personal opinion about something. No where in my reading did I find them attempting to force their opinions on me; in fact, they go out of their way to stress that what is written there is solely the thoughts, and opinions of those who belong to the site.

I agree that the site does have some good writings on it, though there is too much that is fantasy mixed in with it to be safe for someone not able to know the difference. My criticisms are focused on, firstly, the inconsistency of a message that should be consistent and, secondly, the inaccuracies which are written not as opinion but as fact.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/6/2009 5:19:38 AM

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chained to beds at night-- sounds hot, but I know my bladder wouldn't cooperate).

We do that but it means that I frequently get woken up for her 3am bathroom brake.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/6/2009 6:20:53 AM

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I actually went and took a look at the site, simply because of the reaction of so many in this thread.

I found nothing overly offensive about it at all. It was/is very well written and concise. In fact, there are many areas that the site discusses that I found myself totally agreeing with.

I find it amusing that so many can be offended by another's personal opinion about something. No where in my reading did I find them attempting to force their opinions on me; in fact, they go out of their way to stress that what is written there is solely the thoughts, and opinions of those who belong to the site.

I agree that the site does have some good writings on it, though there is too much that is fantasy mixed in with it to be safe for someone not able to know the difference. My criticisms are focused on, firstly, the inconsistency of a message that should be consistent and, secondly, the inaccuracies which are written not as opinion but as fact.

Ok now this is a serious matter.... Is there any way to contact a site manager or anything? Let them know what is incorrect and give them the correct info?

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/6/2009 7:58:13 AM

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It kind of makes me wonder why so many people are so quick to 'protest' so quickly. Though, to be honest, finding the answer to that question, is not one that I think I want to know

Allison

Having a couple of childhood friends suffer from spousal abuse in the last few years has made me touchy on the subject. Opinions that abuse is ok will tend to set me off.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/6/2009 11:46:57 AM

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Any members of RL Real slavery, it is so ideal, Real slavery is what it is all about, agree?

Don't know what it is. Real slavery is when someone is taken by force against their will and made to do the will of another. That's not legal and so no matter what anyone professes, there ain't any such thing except in one's own heart.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/6/2009 2:39:48 PM

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Does anyone else think consensual slavery is an oxymoron? I think a better label or title might be extreme submissive(ness). Slavery in it's true form can't be found on this site. No slaver would give its property access to something that could get it it's freedom, for example the internet. Slavery is role play when you have a choice.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/6/2009 7:06:55 PM

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Does anyone else think consensual slavery is an oxymoron?

This community redefines or misuses all sorts of titles. We have ponies, puppies, kittens, goddesses, nurses, doctors, mad scientists, daddies, babies, schoolgirls, consensual rapists, vampires, pirates, men calling themselves women and vice versa to name a few. I mean there's a guy dressed up as a gorilla on this site, I think your in the wrong place to worry about dictionary accurate terminology. But I could be wrong, good luck with the Xsub movement

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/6/2009 9:40:59 PM

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'a slave can also just as easily be misused and abused' is obviously true but so what? It is obviously true. It is also just as obviously true - of historic, non-consensual slaves just as much as consensual slaves

Not to mention it is also obviously true in relationships that are not M/s.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/8/2009 8:25:01 AM

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Regarding "Real Slavery", I strongly suggest that any who think this may be good and fun try being locked up in a hard prison system for a month with no special privileges, or being a POW for a time faced with hard interrogation (Torture). It may just adjust you views and give you a taste of reality.. No I have never been in prison but have been a POW for a short time and undergone "hard "Interrogation. No fun I can assure you. Anyone stating that "Real Slavery" as a real life practical way to go especially for a lifestyle, in my personal opinion is immature, lacks life experience or is just plain wanking on the thought of having someone in that situation but in any case for me and mine I'd place a large gulf between us and them.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/8/2009 11:27:26 PM

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RLslavery.com
Just found it, didn't enter since it says it keeps records of all visitors ISPs.

Honey, ALL websites keep logs of who visits. CM can probably trace you to your suburb.
Find your IP from one of these sites...
http://www.google.com/search?q=what%27s+my+ip
Give that to one of these sites...
http://www.google.com/search?q=geo+location+ip

With a search warrant they can probably get your house number too.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/8/2009 11:40:51 PM

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Greetings flowerchicknz....

I gave it a try. It got my service provider correct but the location was off by quite a bit. It gave the location of what I assume to be the ISP switch for part of the metro area I live in. It mapped out a location at least 30 miles away. When you get service through a major provider I don't think it will be that accurate.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/9/2009 1:09:04 AM

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Regarding "Real Slavery", I strongly suggest that any who think this may be good and fun try being locked up in a hard prison system for a month with no special privileges, or being a POW for a time faced with hard interrogation (Torture). It may just adjust you views and give you a taste of reality.. No I have never been in prison but have been a POW for a short time and undergone "hard "Interrogation. No fun I can assure you. Anyone stating that "Real Slavery" as a real life practical way to go especially for a lifestyle, in my personal opinion is immature, lacks life experience or is just plain wanking on the thought of having someone in that situation but in any case for me and mine I'd place a large gulf between us and them.

*smooch* I lubs you, IB. Well said.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/10/2009 4:13:52 AM

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Awwww ever seen a grizzly blush??? Fank you beautiful Lady...

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/12/2009 4:21:25 PM

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As for many positions being illegal, true but highly doubtful that oral sex will end in someones death, unless she can suck well enough his heart explodes lol

If someone knows of such a girl, I will take the chance. I am pretty sure I will be able to tough 'er out.

Aren't you a little old to be taking that kind of risk?

LOL what does it matter the age??

What a way to go, as long as you blow your load at the same time you blow out your heart, at least you'd die with a smile.

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/17/2009 1:33:27 PM

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i wish i could go to a slave market and buy a nude slave girl

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RE: How about Real slavery? - 5/17/2009 1:37:07 PM

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Poor novak... reading your journal entries is enough to make those holding a slave sale, to close the doors. Even they would have better sense than to sell a slave to you.

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