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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 11:50:00 AM

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"I declare myself Mistress, now give me, your wallet..." types.

LadyConstanze ..your words exactly what i was getting at , and Igor im sure your right too one sees it others follow , see some agree lol

It is supply and demand. Instead of bashing the women that do this, bash the sub men that keep the market alive by sending cash and gifts to total strangers. There is no way of knowing if these profiles demanding cash for consideration are duplicates by the same person or even men pretending to be women - they surely can't all be honest about their age and location and photos.

Akasha

Sorry, but that does only cut it to a certain degree, I am pretty sure not a lot of subs will send money, but the ones who do shouldn't complain if they are losing it this way, plain and simple.

As for bashing the ones who do it, would you also say one shouldn't bash scammers but their victims? I'm fairly sure that quite a few guys are doing this with pics they nicked somewhere on the web, that's plainly dishonest. As somebody mentioned before, the market is possibly not that "alive" - it's people seeing other people doing it and assuming it works, so they copy it.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 11:57:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: ukmale4u

"I declare myself Mistress, now give me, your wallet..." types.

LadyConstanze ..your words exactly what i was getting at , and Igor im sure your right too one sees it others follow , see some agree lol

It is supply and demand. Instead of bashing the women that do this, bash the sub men that keep the market alive by sending cash and gifts to total strangers. There is no way of knowing if these profiles demanding cash for consideration are duplicates by the same person or even men pretending to be women - they surely can't all be honest about their age and location and photos.

Akasha

Sorry, but that does only cut it to a certain degree, I am pretty sure not a lot of subs will send money, but the ones who do shouldn't complain if they are losing it this way, plain and simple.

As for bashing the ones who do it, would you also say one shouldn't bash scammers but their victims? I'm fairly sure that quite a few guys are doing this with pics they nicked somewhere on the web, that's plainly dishonest. As somebody mentioned before, the market is possibly not that "alive" - it's people seeing other people doing it and assuming it works, so they copy it.

Surely I am not the only femdom that gets offered money and gifts all the time? I just tell them no and send them to maxfisch.com, along with the ones that request blackmailing or say they want to be a human ATM. Many of them are time wasters but if I devoted a few hours a day to milking cash out of men with little regard for ethics, I could make a lot of coin. A few form letters, sexy pictures, a nasty voice on the phone -- sure, no problem.

A 'femdom' comtacted me recently for advise about some safety with regards to online/distance domination and she seemed like a very sweet girl; we chatted on the phone and she was the real thing, and the amount of money she was making - online - was mindblowing.

There are a LOT of men out there who - on IMPULSE - will fork over cash for online/fantasy domination. There is also a lot of buyer's remorse. But these same guys come back and do it again and again at the heat of the moment. The trick is being the profile they are looking at when they are horny, and apparently it's working for a lot of women (if you want to call them that).

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 12:05:36 PM

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I don't get offered money or gifts! I get offers of money in exchange for sessions now and again, but no sugardaddies on my block! Thank goodness, too, it saves me from awkward refusals.

Every week, when I look at my cash flow, which comes from my respectable profession, I think about going into phone domination. I could do it so easily... and it's not like the clients wouldn't come flocking in...

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 12:13:15 PM

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I'm not into financial domming myself, but it is a completely different ballgame than having a profile on CM asking for money, financial subs are very very needy, you have to push their buttons or they won't spend, if they give you money they want to know how it is spent, that is how they get their "money's worth", it has to be for something they are into. Those FDs have websites, they declare they are FDs, or do you see Princess Sierra trolling CM and soliciting tribute.

As for the guys who offer money here, oh PLEASE! Look, we all get the emails and I got fed up with arguing why I won't give my address out and that I really don't want them to send me a tribute and why not, so I made a wish list on Amazon, gifts in between $5 and $200, so whenever a guy insists he wants to send me gifts, and blah blah and I can't get rid of him, I give him that list, additionally it is linked to a flickr account with lots of pics of me, too many and in too many different surroundings to be faked, you know how many presents I got from there? In over 3 years absolutely ZERO. Once you give them the link, they disappear without a trace, or it doesn't work for them, or Amazon doesn't accept their credit card or or or....

So I seriously think the guys who are on CM are simply not into it, they get off on the idea of it, but they would never really do it.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 12:22:46 PM

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I have an idea. Maybe 3 - 5 femdons on CM should have a contest and see who can "milk" the most cash by setting up fake profiles (or not fake ones, just use our own) and see how many guys actually send the money, so we can find out what the market size is. All money would go directly to the charity of the femdom's choice and be verifyable. We could provide some sort of tracking online. Sound like fun? :)

Unfortunately I think the only way it would work is if the subs were clicking on a link thinking they were buying $50 panties for their femdom, but in reality were donating $50 to an animal shelter and they didn't know it. Any smart programmers able to set that up?

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 12:30:51 PM

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Unfortunately I think the only way it would work is if the subs were clicking on a link thinking they were buying $50 panties for their femdom, but in reality were donating $50 to an animal shelter and they didn't know it. Any smart programmers able to set that up?

Akasha

That would be a HOOT, but I totally agree, they would only want to be buying shoes or some silliness, and not doing what WE would really be doing with the money, like sending to a food bank or homeless shelter or animal care group! I'm sure it's utterly against the TOS anyway, but thanks for the giggle.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 12:34:05 PM

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Alternatively, they could go on one of the phone domination sites, possibly just having recordings?

Several years ago we did something like that for a bet, same person, same pics but 2 accounts, one account about BDSM, one account devoted to FD, the stories were so funny and absurd, I still have a hard time believing it. We let it run for ages (simply because life goes on and we forgot about it), my friend mailed me the other day and said that the recordings are still there, we checked, after 2 years or so one account (the FD one) had about £250 in it, the BDSM one about $40, I'm requesting the cheque but gave as the address a cancer charity in the UK. I guess they will be wondering why they are getting a cheque from some odd US company ;)

But honestly, FD requires a special mindset and I simply couldn't get my head around it, nor do I want to, of course there are subs who want to be exploited, they get off on it, but they are usually not the ones who write to you and offer presents. It's not my kink but if both sides are getting out what they want from it, fine, I really don't have an issue with. I have more of an issue with "women" who want subs to send amount x to them to verify you are "real" and then they disappear without a trace, that's dishonest, a woman who says she is into FD - well, the sub can take it or leave it, it's cards on the table, upfront.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 12:35:55 PM

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Still snorting laughter.

I can't think of a more wide-spread, pervasive & intensive D/s, indeed even M/s relationship, than one between an employer & employee . . . . . But then, I don't believe that the 'BDSM world' is all that different than the 'vanilla world' -- in fact I think that what gets done by kinksters is really just a subset of the power & control issues available in the 'vanilla world' . . . . . .

Money is one of the most primal ways we have of allocating power & control on this planet. Even just talking about money tends to trip people's buttons about power & control issues, even when those of us on the outside of the circuit are left scratching our heads over what happened ..... .

Money is absolutely about conveying worth, value, & related. It is also about conveying shame, humiliation, & such like. Money is a medium of control & power. & it as much a tool in the kinkster's kit as any flogger, gag, or rope.

&, while it might not be your kink, lots incorporate 'money play' into their kink, professionals & amateurs . . . . . . .

& I get that one way submissives (especially male subs) can give 'power & control' to their D's & M's is by giving them money.

But go ahead, tell me again about how money has nothing to do with a D/s dynamic. Tell me that money is not about power & control. Go ahead. I'm still laughing.

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

Yep sure sweetie. Its the bread and butter of a lot of people... wouldn't want to be un PC and tell them it ain't part of what We do now would We?

Bollox, Kink is about people... money is about better bank balances. But lets not tell the male subs who pay through the nose and sort those femdom bank balances... they might wise up and STOP!

EDIT: Before someone trys saying I have an issue with pro's... I know several and some ARE Mistresses in Their private life but even They don't try to pass off what they do for a JOB as having anything to do with D/s. They are providing a service in return for renumeration, it is a job..... unlike in their private life with their sub or slave where it is about the Dynamic and they have a D/s relationship.

It has as little to do with who They really are as a discussion of high responcibility jobs held by subs. It is only how they get paid, not who They are.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 12:41:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Unfortunately I think the only way it would work is if the subs were clicking on a link thinking they were buying $50 panties for their femdom, but in reality were donating $50 to an animal shelter and they didn't know it. Any smart programmers able to set that up?

I do that anyway...pampering is silly compared to needy kitties, but let the subs think what they want.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 12:46:30 PM

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What we need is male dom's who require "money play" in order to play......

Too many women complain about not getting equal pay at work, yet get free drinks at bars, free meals on dates, and half the guys money if they end up marrying......

From a bird's eye view, I have a hard time determining who is a whore and who isn't.......

a marriage license doesn't mean she's not a gold-digging whore? ;/

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 12:47:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I have an idea. Maybe 3 - 5 femdons on CM should have a contest and see who can "milk" the most cash by setting up fake profiles (or not fake ones, just use our own) and see how many guys actually send the money, so we can find out what the market size is. All money would go directly to the charity of the femdom's choice and be verifyable. We could provide some sort of tracking online. Sound like fun? :)

Unfortunately I think the only way it would work is if the subs were clicking on a link thinking they were buying $50 panties for their femdom, but in reality were donating $50 to an animal shelter and they didn't know it. Any smart programmers able to set that up?

Akasha

This is a hoot. You wouldn't really need any programming though. PayPal is great. Just set up a PP account and then use the money sent to donate to the charity. The only down side is that PP charges fees, but they're fairly small. Alternately, you can create a pay button with any graphics program and just link it to the donation link for your charity of choice. However, there wouldn't be any way to verify that the money has been sent unless you worked for said charity.

As LH pointed out, it's probably against TOS. Maybe we could earn enough to pay for some extra features on CM and they'd let it slide? Probably not, but it's amusing to contemplate.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 12:52:59 PM

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FR

Excellent thread, lots of interesting thinking . . . . Thanks much!

For all those unclear on how 'simply giving money' can be a kink all on its little lonesomeness, I highly recommend spending some quality time here:

Princess Sierra, Queen Goddess of the 'Money Kink'

(Purely my sobriquet, there . ... . . I am in awe of her mighty mighty powers, & supreme bitchiness . ... . )

(&, yeah, I seriously doubt she 'wastes' her time hanging out on CM . . . . .)

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 1:41:31 PM

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What we need is male dom's who require "money play" in order to play......

Too many women complain about not getting equal pay at work, yet get free drinks at bars, free meals on dates, and half the guys money if they end up marrying......

From a bird's eye view, I have a hard time determining who is a whore and who isn't.......

a marriage license doesn't mean she's not a gold-digging whore? ;/

Oh I am sure there are some who require it, just how many are going to get it, especially if they want to play with women...

And yeah the odd free drink or meal is certainly worth getting paid less for a lot of women, especially if the guy tends to try and grope her and feels he deserves it since he paid for a drink or a meal...

Dunno, I'm actually far less concerned with who is a whore because from a bird's eye view it's a lot easier to determine who is a complete jerk...

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 1:49:36 PM

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I'm not into financial domming myself, but it is a completely different ballgame than having a profile on CM asking for money, financial subs are very very needy, you have to push their buttons or they won't spend, if they give you money they want to know how it is spent, that is how they get their "money's worth", it has to be for something they are into. Those FDs have websites, they declare they are FDs, or do you see Princess Sierra trolling CM and soliciting tribute.

As for the guys who offer money here, oh PLEASE! Look, we all get the emails and I got fed up with arguing why I won't give my address out and that I really don't want them to send me a tribute and why not, so I made a wish list on Amazon, gifts in between $5 and $200, so whenever a guy insists he wants to send me gifts, and blah blah and I can't get rid of him, I give him that list, additionally it is linked to a flickr account with lots of pics of me, too many and in too many different surroundings to be faked, you know how many presents I got from there? In over 3 years absolutely ZERO. Once you give them the link, they disappear without a trace, or it doesn't work for them, or Amazon doesn't accept their credit card or or or....

So I seriously think the guys who are on CM are simply not into it, they get off on the idea of it, but they would never really do it.

This made me laugh.
You couldn't be more correct than the part I highlighted. When a sub decides to go down the tribute line he suddenly has a choice of thousands of women in all shapes and sizes wanting to do business with him. He can well afford to be fussy because the competition amongst the pro's (and in my opinion a tribute Mistress is just another name for a pro) is huge.
If he's not really serious but just wants to hear the voice of a Mistress (as wank fodder) then he will come on sites like this because the majority of pro Mistresses that use sites such as this to advertise are amateur's and will allow the said sub to lead them right up the garden path.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 2:15:51 PM

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Well, I'd say whenever somebody spends money he or she has the choice where to spend it...

Actually the guys here who go on and on about wanting to send tribute (and I don't know why they bug me, especially after telling them I don't want it, but I guess they bug everybody) are just getting off on the thought, I'm pretty sure if the women would compare the names of the guys, most of them would be the same. The best way to get rid of them is to say "Do it", and they disappear and stop bugging you. Fairly simple.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 2:26:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

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ORIGINAL: LyraLaLaurie
we are all doing a job we love.

Quite, but when it is about the money rather than about the Dynamic then it is a business transaction NOT a D/s relationship!

More BHS than BDSM

(BHS was a popular chain store here in the UK.... just in case non-Brits hadn't heard of it!)

I would be be quite bored if all my sessions were D/s orientated. I see switches, none-submissive masochists, aswell as fetishists, so not all tribute session entail D/s.

The dynamic is always there for me, with my not playing with safewords, total satisfaction, always, whether with my lifestyle slave's, or professional tribute clientele.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 2:30:08 PM

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What we need is male dom's who require "money play" in order to play......

Too many women complain about not getting equal pay at work, yet get free drinks at bars, free meals on dates, and half the guys money if they end up marrying......

From a bird's eye view, I have a hard time determining who is a whore and who isn't.......

a marriage license doesn't mean she's not a gold-digging whore? ;/

Go grow a vagina, and join the gold digging club.

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 2:43:03 PM

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I love your brain DemonKia ;)

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 2:48:38 PM

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Seems to me there are more Dommes wanting subs to tribute now than there are subs ,anyone else noticed the ever increasing number of pretty young ladys demanding your tribute , oh how they must love Domme for dommes sake lol

and your point is?

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RE: Tribute Dommes - 5/5/2009 3:11:17 PM

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My point is I suspect the majority of the type i have mentioned are purely after money and doubt if the pictures that accompany there profiles are theres ,,im quite impressed with the deabte my first posting created lol

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