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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 2:45:13 AM   
strob


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*wonders how much more free wanking material this boy will ask for*


What is it with you people and this wanking issue?
How about "yes, I wear heels because my legs and my ass look better in heels."?
How is anyone supposed to wank on that? I mean really, come on...

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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 6:44:46 AM   
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i never seen a real live woman wear em until i went overseas.


I like American women, don't get me wrong. But, for lack of a better term, they do tend toward the masculine (which I like.) That said, I once taught a group of exchange students from the USSR, and I'll always remember one comment they made about us. They said, "American women don't dress like women. They aren't feminine."

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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 7:18:24 AM   
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it is more ultra feminine to wear heels...vs flat shoes. i do not, per se, have a foot



Huh?

This isn't directed just at you, veronicaofML, but other folks who've said similar things.

Heels are shoes, they are objects, they are not natural like facial hair or lack of it, they are not natural like breasts or hips or legs. There is nothing innately "female" about objects because cultures throughout history change what is consider "man's" and "woman's" clothing or appropriate to each sex.

I just do not get it at all.

I would think the most dominant and feminine would be the one who is completely comfortable in her body and with who she is. She does not need specific clothing or make-up or jewelry she just is beautiful and a woman because she is.

This is what I personally strive for: confidence in myself separate from material and unnatural things. Acceptance of myself for myself and drawing from that inner strength which I personally feel is true dominance or submission, true beauty, and true personhood.


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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 7:47:59 AM   
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i never seen a real live woman wear em until i went overseas.


I like American women, don't get me wrong. But, for lack of a better term, they do tend toward the masculine (which I like.) That said, I once taught a group of exchange students from the USSR, and I'll always remember one comment they made about us. They said, "American women don't dress like women. They aren't feminine."




You know I never thought of it that way. But off hand I would have to say that statement would appear to be closer to the trueth. Even the attitudes seem more man like. I wonder if someone has been puting too much testosterone in their Femine hygene products. Even the body type for models look more well need I say it.


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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 7:56:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Tammyjo here. I wear high heels, skirts, makeup, spend lots of time on my hair, and wear very feminine perfume. None of these things make me anymore feminine or ladylike than a woman that wears jeans and t-shirt with her hair in a pony tail and no make up. In my mind femininity is all about the woman, her attitudes, and her behaviors.

strob, if I am wrong about you I apologize, but I have seen the two threads you started and they read to me like you are looking for fantasies in type. I guess time will tell whether or not I'm right.

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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 8:21:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Heels are shoes, they are objects, they are not natural like facial hair or lack of it, they are not natural like breasts or hips or legs. There is nothing innately "female" about objects because cultures throughout history change what is consider "man's" and "woman's" clothing or appropriate to each sex.

I just do not get it at all.
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then i am guessing YOU do not know human biology,
the female body changes wearing heels..whereas the male body does not.
you dont get what?
how sexy heels are to males?
do i have to teach you the birds and bees?


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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 8:26:02 AM   
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strob, if I am wrong about you I apologize, but I have seen the two threads you started and they read to me like you are looking for fantasies in type. I guess time will tell whether or not I'm right.[/color][/size][/font]


There is no need for apologizing, I just wanted to eliminate this prejudice that was created about me, being at this forum just to get replies that'd turn me on or something. I am quite sure that each reply to any post can be submitted here in a way without any eroticism containing and also, I am more then certain that I could provide myself with whole lotta material from the net to wank off at.

And of course, I know that most of the women on the net are models and fake; but still, there is so much fetish footwear all around stores for such, so who's buying those? Not only models, I suppose?
A woman I am seeing has I think six or seven different pairs of footwear that she wears only indoors...I never asked her to wear them for me, she just does and I know why she does because she told me. I just wanted to see if other women think the same way or what...that's all.

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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 8:26:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Tammyjo here. I wear high heels, skirts, makeup, spend lots of time on my hair, and wear very feminine perfume. None of these things make me anymore feminine or ladylike than a woman that wears jeans and t-shirt with her hair in a pony tail and no make up. In my mind femininity is all about the woman, her attitudes, and her behaviors.

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thats the whole issue m'Lady..in YOUR mind...YOU aint m a l e !
no self respecting male will prefer a woman that looks and acts male vs a woman that acts and looks female.

doesnt really matter what YOU think...it MATTERS what us guys think.
no guy "I" ever met wants a woman acting and looking like another guy.

and me myself and i...prefer girlie girl foo foo types.

take care


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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 9:00:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: veronicaofML

I agree with Tammyjo here. I wear high heels, skirts, makeup, spend lots of time on my hair, and wear very feminine perfume. None of these things make me anymore feminine or ladylike than a woman that wears jeans and t-shirt with her hair in a pony tail and no make up. In my mind femininity is all about the woman, her attitudes, and her behaviors.

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thats the whole issue m'Lady..in YOUR mind...YOU aint m a l e !
no self respecting male will prefer a woman that looks and acts male vs a woman that acts and looks female.

doesnt really matter what YOU think...it MATTERS what us guys think.
no guy "I" ever met wants a woman acting and looking like another guy.

and me myself and i...prefer girlie girl foo foo types.

take care



Realy?!

Tell that to my two male partners then I guess and the numerous men I have dated, scened, and enjoy as friends or lovers.

They like me for me -- not for something that I put on or wear. In fact most of them like me with no clothes on best of all.

A personal preference is not the same as solid reality for all "males" or "females".

Some of us "females" actually are more concerned about what we feel like and want than what men want or see -- I consider that one of characteristics of being a dominant in fact. Though I'm sure many folks will disagree with that concept.


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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 9:19:02 AM   
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And of course, I know that most of the women on the net are models and fake; but still, there is so much fetish footwear all around stores for such, so who's buying those? Not only models, I suppose?
A woman I am seeing has I think six or seven different pairs of footwear that she wears only indoors...I never asked her to wear them for me, she just does and I know why she does because she told me. I just wanted to see if other women think the same way or what...that's all.


There are, of course, women who love high heels -- that is their individual preferences or something they've been trained that women should wear. It isn't all women.

Women's shoes are very interesting and varied, one can collect of a lot them easily in fact. I haven't worn heels since high school but at one time I had two dozen pairs of shoes in my closet -- none of them high heels by the way.

If you go into any shoe store you can find a lot of variety in women's shoes so its easy to collect numerous types and styles. Even if you don't wear heel or fancy shoes you can easily collection dozens of flats and sports styles.

Men can also buy multiple pairs of shoes. The men in my life have the following shoe collection -- one of indoors, one for out, a dress pair or two, a pair of boots and that's about it. (Frankly I'd rather see my slave go barefoot but that's a "simple and natural" state that I find more attractive than "stuff")

So part of the situation may reflect what is available. As male models and men's fashion has expanded, so too have men's wardrobes. My husband complains that men's clothes are so very dull and limited so when we or he finds something more colorful (especially in socks for some reason) he gets them.

Historically my husband is right. Until the 19th century most European upper class men's clothing was quite fancy and colorful by our modern standards -- (I've seen arguments that say this is a more natural state reflecting the male animal's need to attract a mate while the female animal is more dully colored to protect offspring and self).

I'm wandering off the subject aren't I?

I just wanted to point out that the entire issue of clothing and jewelry and make-up and such things are not "natural" signs of sex or gender. They change over time and in different cultures. What one person finds attractive another person finds a turn-off. What one person finds empowering another finds limiting and restrictive.

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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 9:31:24 AM   
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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 9:33:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		A personal preference is not the same as solid reality for all "males" or "females".
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and i'll say it again...no guy i ever MET....
if YOU have guys that have something AGAINST high heels....?
i'd like to talk to em eyeball to eyeball.

i have had...and still have..female friends i call...sis...and i dont care what they wear coz to me they are..one of the guys...there is no funny business.

but when it comes to seeing women as partners...
i prefer a woman to ACT like a woman.
if she has-to forgo...i wanna be comfy---trash...then evidently she aint trying to keep me interested.
i can find many women in flats..............90% of females wear flats.
i'm just not interested.
but show me one that can wear heels ...ooooh la la...there's a gal worth chasing.

look...if YOU got guys that have issues with heels..more power to ya..enjoy.
i just think its a damned shame...women just have no clue about BEING women.
ya talk about..they prefer ya w/o clothes better.
i suppose if all ya got on yer mind is mother nature...i personally find that disgusting.
i aint into sex and could care less.
but i realize the majority of mankind hasnt evolved above carnal instinct. more animal than human.
i just have a HUGE appreciation of the-female-form...with clothes on.
if i wanna see naked..i can go buy a girlie magazine. women are women ....no biggie.
i evolved past all that.
my hormones do not control me. i have them locked up and in control.

i just am trying to get women as a whole to understand..they should enjoy BEING women..and stop being ashamed...
fluffy sweaters and loose pants and cover everything up..and act more male than female.


i fail to grasp it.

i yearn for the day when a woman was a real woman that showed she enjoyed her femininity.


but i digress

good luck to ya girl.

take care


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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 9:33:36 AM   
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You want a response to the picture?

I say YUCK and OUCH!

Looks like something I might have a female slave wear.

Frankly I don't see how the picture responses to my points at all.

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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 9:39:44 AM   
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You want a response to the picture?

I say YUCK and OUCH!

Looks like something I might have a female slave wear.

Frankly I don't see how the picture responses to my points at all.


I'd respond with "oooo. that's pretty. My owner would HATE me in it though."

He likes me in heels, but he likes me to be able to MOVE more :) I mean, heels are nice as long as they don't get in your way. I can't walk in much above four inches, no matter how I try. So no matter how pretty I think those are, he'd prefer me in flats to those, because I'd be funtional.

Then again, I really like high heels, in theory, but not in practice.

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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 9:46:39 AM   
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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 9:47:07 AM   
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ok
you win


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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 9:52:42 AM   
veronicaofML


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Status: offline 		problem "I" see...is the ankle strap is too small.
evidently for show only.
a bit ridiculous.
it needs to be a bit bigger..for real wear.
otherwise?

"I" 'd kill to have that set of heels. i'd luv to wear something like that..if i was allowed to, in everyday life. just too bad this society won't allow men to do so...

i WISH we had a society that allowed everyone to wear whatever they damned well wanted to...





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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 10:01:46 AM   
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problem "I" see...is the ankle strap is too small.
evidently for show only.
a bit ridiculous.
it needs to be a bit bigger..for real wear.
otherwise?

"I" 'd kill to have that set of heels. i'd luv to wear something like that..if i was allowed to, in everyday life. just too bad this society won't allow men to do so...

i WISH we had a society that allowed everyone to wear whatever they damned well wanted to...




I say, that if you want to wear high heels, you do it!

I know there are men's size shoes that are high heels and more "women's styles" but I also know they tend to be expensive. But then again so are some women's shoes!

I, personally, think it is very, very sad that society tries to control what we wear and enjoy consensually.

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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 12:07:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

strob, if I am wrong about you I apologize, but I have seen the two threads you started and they read to me like you are looking for fantasies in type. I guess time will tell whether or not I'm right.


There is no need for apologizing, I just wanted to eliminate this prejudice that was created about me, being at this forum just to get replies that'd turn me on or something. I am quite sure that each reply to any post can be submitted here in a way without any eroticism containing and also, I am more then certain that I could provide myself with whole lotta material from the net to wank off at.

And of course, I know that most of the women on the net are models and fake; but still, there is so much fetish footwear all around stores for such, so who's buying those? Not only models, I suppose?
A woman I am seeing has I think six or seven different pairs of footwear that she wears only indoors...I never asked her to wear them for me, she just does and I know why she does because she told me. I just wanted to see if other women think the same way or what...that's all.


WHAT I said strob was "IF I AM WRONG I APOLOGIZE" obviously from your further posting i.e. the pic and your explanation of why you posted it, I was not mistaken, and this thread is all about your gratification. Protest all you want, your actions speak so loudly I can't hear what you are saying.

veronica, dear, I understand what you are saying about women acting like men. There are many that do, and I've even seen a few of those women wearing dresses and heels. The clothing, while possibly making a woman nicer to look at does NOT make her a lady. A frilly dress can't make a woman act or be any more feminine than she is.

But never fear veronica, my dear, there are women out there that dress the part of a girly girl and aren't acting a bit. I can even introduce you to one....


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RE: High heels - 2/6/2006 12:15:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		The picture, as it is does absolutly nothing for me. If it is a pro shot rather than semi-pro or amature then it isn't even very good. (Pretty dull and boring and I'd expect a pro to at least attempt to do something interesting with the lighting).

Would I have a sub wear such? depends on who she is, if she would suit them and if she could actualy bloody move in them without falling flat on her ass. Heals can give a better legshape, but of course you don't get to see that in such a close cropped photo.

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