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LadyPact -> Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:05:28 PM)
There are a couple of threads going on feminization at the moment. When the subject comes up, I always wonder the same thing. Supposedly, when it comes to the ratio of female Dominants when compared to male submissives, we're led to believe that we have this huge advantage by the numbers. So many of them, so few of us, blah, blah, blah. Add that crossdressing thing into the mix, and it looks a whole lot different. It seems that an overwhelming number of male subs want some form of feminization, while only maybe half of us are interested in that in a D/s dynamic. That turns the tables on us. At least those of us who just want our boys to be boys. Do you, as a Dominant female, ever wonder if that is a barrier? Does it seem that there are so many subs out there, only, and only, if you're willing to accept service from someone who wants to cross dress?

MzMia -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:08:49 PM)
Wonderful thread LadyP! I have a theory that if you weed out the male "submissive's" that have consuming fetishes/and or desires that you have zero interest in, that leaves about 100 male submissive's left in the world. Once you weed out those that are not straight or available, I think there are about 17 straight, available submissive men in the world. [;)]

Lockit -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:14:07 PM)
I have looked at all the submissive's in my area from here. I would say at least half are interested in cross dressing, being a sissyslave/sissymaid or want to be forced into either. So from what I am seeing... I would have to agree. Add that to the mix of married and just want to play, those who just want sessions, those who insist you are superior, those who have no self worth and those who want to be your toilet and guess where the numbers go! lol

sweetsub1957 -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:16:40 PM)
There are a lot of "do me" subs out there, aren't there. That's just plain sad. Where's the service and submission anymore? i know E/everyone has needs, but there's a difference between needs and wants, and i thought subs were s'posed to be submissive.

Vendaval -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:18:15 PM)
Cross dressing does not bother me in the least. I have a lot of fun with that. Married or attached and looking to cheat? No way!

LadyPact -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:18:22 PM)
Thank you, Ladies. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this. By the way, I want to make sure that everyone knows this is not a CD bashing post. I see crossdressing as any other kink. Some people are into it and some aren't. I just happen to fall in the latter category.

kttqnp -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:25:08 PM)
Excellent point, LadyPact. Actually, I think it's a double whammy. A lot of the men who want to be feminized/sissified are married, and think that their kink justifies cheating on their wives. After all, they couldn't expect her to understand THAT kind of need, could they? So instead, they seek out someone here to indulge them. Somehow, they think their behavior is not cheating. I disagree.

MzMia -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:25:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Thank you, Ladies. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this. By the way, I want to make sure that everyone knows this is not a CD bashing post. I see crossdressing as any other kink. Some people are into it and some aren't. I just happen to fall in the latter category. I don't even see it as a cross dressing post: there are many "submissive men" that are looking for a fetish delivery person to take care of their needs: crossing dressing, forced bisexuality, human toilet, cuckcolding, adult baby, foot fetish, strap on city {and I do mean strap it on and use it all the time baby [:D]}, {you insert fetish here}. Many of them will attempt to even talk you into endulging them in their fetishes, even after you state you have zero interest in it. For many, if you are not into their fetish, they will not be into you. Again, I said many, not all.

SweetDommes -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:26:22 PM)
It seems like a barrier to us sometimes - for some reason, because we're bi, guys seem to think that we have to be into 'forced' fem and crossdressing ... that we automatically want to turn them into women entirely (as in, hormones, surgery, the whole deal). In reality, if we want fem, we have each other - we want boys for a reason.

LadyPact -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:34:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia I don't even see it as a cross dressing post: there are many "submissive men" that are looking for a fetish delivery person to take care of their needs: crossing dressing, forced bisexuality, human toilet, cuckcolding, adult baby, foot fetish {you insert fetish here}. Many of them will attempt to even talk you into endulging them in their fetishes, even after you state you have zero interest in it. For many, if you are not into their fetish, they will not be into you. Again, I said many, not all. You're not kidding there, Mia! I see this often in those posts made by the AB's. If your kink doesn't trip My trigger, no amount of writing on the subject is going to convince Me.

Lockit -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:35:39 PM)
MzMia... I love the 'fetish delievery person'! I get a lil tired of my Mistress play-toy or the Mould-a-Mistress, here for your amusement! Thanks for the laugh!

LadyPact -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:40:29 PM)
My personal favorite is "life support for the whip." [;)]

MzMia -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 8:56:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lockit MzMia... I love the 'fetish delievery person'! I get a lil tired of my Mistress play-toy or the Mould-a-Mistress, here for your amusement! Thanks for the laugh! Lockit, I state in my journal, that I am not a fetish delivery service. The sad thing is ladies and gents, MANY of these fetishes I would be willing to endulge a submissive with {occasionally for good behavior and SUPERIOR service}, the thing is.......most of the fetishists want it almost all the time, and many only want to engage in their favorite fetishes. Once I decide to engage in this activity, I will just put Professional Dominant on my profile, and get some nice tributes. [:D]

Lockit -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 9:03:46 PM)
LOL LP and Mia!

MzMia -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 9:17:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lockit LOL LP and Mia! IMHO, many of the male submissive's appear to be bottoms. There is nothing wrong with being a bottom, bedroom only submissive or a fetishist. It's just not what I want. Lockit, I have thought about considering it, I would have my choice of thousands of men.[:D] Make that millions! The main thing that stops me is, it would feel like serious work, and I just don't enjoy bottoming from the Top.

PrincessDonna -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/10/2009 10:19:44 PM)
I do "fem' but there are soo many that just want to do the cross fetish.I dress them make-up and all and then demand that they go into the public that seperates the real sub from fetish play!

allthatjaz -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/11/2009 1:44:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kttqnp Excellent point, LadyPact. Actually, I think it's a double whammy. A lot of the men who want to be feminized/sissified are married, and think that their kink justifies cheating on their wives. After all, they couldn't expect her to understand THAT kind of need, could they? So instead, they seek out someone here to indulge them. Somehow, they think their behavior is not cheating. I disagree. No they couldn't expect there better half to understand. I once asked my sister what was the worst thing her husband could do? what was the thing that would guarantee a split ? I thought she would say 'him cheating on me' but she said 'to discover he likes dressing as a woman'. She is in (her own words) a blissfully happy marriage but she would stop loving him and give him up in an instant if he showed a feminine side. So of course most men don't tell there wives and girlfriends about there carefully hidden side. Yes of course its cheating but its not quite as simple as a promiscuous husband that just wants a shag. From the T-girls I know and love as friends I understand that this runs far deeper than just a fetish or kink but to a hidden world in which many are spent in great inner grief, fear and frustration. It is such a deep need that many risk losing everything from their wives, children, entire families and jobs to being publicly linched by the local community. I am sorry to go off topic but I felt this post was just brushing T-girls off as philandering, oversexed greedy bastards.

Lashra -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/11/2009 3:14:18 AM)
quote: She is in (her own words) a blissfully happy marriage but she would stop loving him and give him up in an instant if he showed a feminine side. So of course most men don't tell there wives and girlfriends about there carefully hidden side. It amazes me how easily "love" can be given up when a person goes transparent and opens themselves up to their partner. No wonder so many males hide it or suppress the urges until it adversely affects their well being. I just do not understand why so many (not all) women want their men to transparent, be sensitive, show their emotions and when they do they get kicked to the curb for it. I just do not get it at all. Frankly cross dressing does not bother me in the least unless it becomes an obsession, but that is just me. But I can also understand if a woman just is not into it. I also question the number of Female Dominants vs male subs, I truly think there are more Female Dominants out there than are stepping forward. It is not easy being a Female Dominant we are somewhat stigmatized for our own natures by society so many hide it. I guess in that some women are on par with the men who want to cross dress, if they do not hide their Dominant natures they are fearful of being kicked to the curb and ostracized by society. Just my thoughts, ~Lashra

MzMia -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/11/2009 4:40:26 AM)
I just wanted to add, that I have nothing against cross dressers. I would be open to a man that does engage in that activity. My point, and I do mean only my point, is about men that are obsessed with certain fetishes. I am talking about people who are fetishists to the point that they are consummed with engaging almost exclusively in that fetish. There is a big difference between men that cross dress, tg's, and tv's, and they are certainly not all the same kettle of fish. I hope this thread does not drift into a topic on those differences. I am talking about men, that contact me and primarily only want to talk about crossdressing, and that is it! I have had men that continue to send me pictures of them dressed, email me about dressing, and only talk about me helping them to dress, I basically do not exist as a person, much less a Dominant. Again, I was discussing fetishists {any fetish will do}, in which the person involved is often looking for a fetish delivery service person, not a Dominant. Have a wonderful day all, great chat!

CatdeMedici -> RE: Turning the numbers (5/11/2009 4:44:43 AM)
I find there are so many subs out there if I am willing to do it THEIR way, cross dressing aside. When I start to factor in reality, the numbers drop way down. edited to add a thought after I walked away and thought a bit more--I don't have a problem with cross dressing perse, though I would need to understand they why's, how's, the motivating factors before I could say yah or nah--the few that I have explored a tad further--it was too much for what My life can manage at the moment.

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