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eyesopened -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 11:34:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I hope to god you are joking because you are a beautiful woman. Anyone that thinks a size 11 is obese (unless you are 3 feet tall) needs to adjust their size-o-metre.

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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7 years ago I could eat a normal diet and a moderate amount of exercise and wore a size 2. Now my jeans are size 11 and I want to crawl into a hole and bury myself. I have learned from the looks I get on the street that I am hideous, awful and a waste of oxygen. I know how it feels to be hated for something I do not know how to fix.
you have got to be kidding...


Oh gawd why would I bare myself and be kidding?  I am 5' almost 2" with a very small frame.  The only halfway bright spot is that the fat is pretty evenly distributed so I can hide somewhat but I cannot wear a bathing suit or be seen in shorts or even short-sleeved shirts.  The thing is that I do what I'm supposed to about what and how much I eat and I hit the treadmill nearly every day at least a mile sometimes more and nothing happens.  I can't afford to see a doctor and yes, my weight to height ratio says I am obese.  I have not updated my weight on my profile because I don't want all the "why don't you just kill yourself fatty!" emails I'd get.




sirsholly -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 11:49:51 AM)

Eyes...the reason i said that (and i suspect LaT also) is because you are a beautiful woman! A size 11 is not fat. YOU are not fat and i do not give a rats ass what the weight to height ratio says.
Let me point out to you that you are a victim of a mind fuck (forgive my language please). You are looking at a chart and allowing it to dictate your self esteem.
You said yourself you use a treadmill and guess what? Treadmills build muscle. Muscle weighs alot more than fat.

Please dear lady...please, get counseling for this. Your post are screaming emotional pain.

HUG!!!!




RedMagic1 -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 11:52:00 AM)

Eyesopened, I think you're hot.  If you don't believe me, just come a little closer.




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 12:00:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation
Those who kick up the biggest storm about fat threads and that they are ecstatically happy being fat, always come across to me as though they are not only trying to convince others they are happy but themselves too.
It seems the only people who should speak are those who haven't a care in the world about humanity, and being politically incorrect and unkind is worn as a sign of strength and pride.  

Fat threads are like anything else that people have opinions about.   Nothing more, nothing less.   As to being ecstatically happy, I've never seen anyone on these boards claim that.    Not even the politically incorrect, rudest bitches/asshats who claim to be so well adjusted, they haven't a care in the world, though that facade is only good on a newbie.   They contribute even when they have nothing to add except more negativity to what they may claim is an out of control negative thread.   

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JaDaMaGi
I was starting to get scared after reading the page before this one.  I thought someone was going to start executing anyone who didn't agree with them.  Some people get sooo worked up that others don't think what they do.  Its just silly.
You didn't seem like the timid type, as you expressed your thoughts in a clear manner, without personal insults to anyone who isn't of your preference, and I don't recall anyone replying inapropriately to you.   So, peculiar you were intimidated, unless you just wanted to compliment misst, which is kool.

I don't get hot and bothered about message board antics anymore, but find that if someone is being unkind, and attracts the same response, it's perfectly appropriate and deserved.  

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sirsholly
Eyes...the reason i said that (and i suspect LaT also) is because you are a beautiful woman! A size 11 is not fat. YOU are not fat and i do not give a rats ass what the weight to height ratio says.
Let me point out to you that you are a victim of a mind fuck (forgive my language please). You are looking at a chart and allowing it to dictate your self esteem.
You said yourself you use a treadmill and guess what? Treadmills build muscle. Muscle weighs alot more than fat.

Please dear lady...please, get counseling for this. Your post are screaming emotional pain.
eyesopened, I agree with Holly completely, that you are beautiful, not fat, and are allowing charts to ruin the beauty within you.    M




Mezrem -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 12:04:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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There are plenty of things about people that I don't care for or like.. it does not mean that I will insult them to lift up my point of view.

Well i'd say all this depends on what an individual finds insulting. It seems to me that along side slave vs sub, limits vs no limits that fat threads are just a hot bed for raised temperatures and tempers. They always, always get out of hand.
Those who kick up the biggest storm about fat threads and that they are ecstatically happy being fat, always come across to me as though they are not only trying to convince others they are happy but themselves too.
 




The problem with such general statements is that they always catch people who don't fit the mold. I can't speak to other threads or even for other persons who have posted in this thread. To the point you made in the end of the above block though... Thanks for the message board psycho analysis... I'll be sure to give your point of view on this subject it's due worth.




SlaveBlutarsky -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 12:54:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I hope to god you are joking because you are a beautiful woman. Anyone that thinks a size 11 is obese (unless you are 3 feet tall) needs to adjust their size-o-metre.

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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7 years ago I could eat a normal diet and a moderate amount of exercise and wore a size 2. Now my jeans are size 11 and I want to crawl into a hole and bury myself. I have learned from the looks I get on the street that I am hideous, awful and a waste of oxygen. I know how it feels to be hated for something I do not know how to fix.
you have got to be kidding...


Oh gawd why would I bare myself and be kidding?  I am 5' almost 2" with a very small frame.  The only halfway bright spot is that the fat is pretty evenly distributed so I can hide somewhat but I cannot wear a bathing suit or be seen in shorts or even short-sleeved shirts.  The thing is that I do what I'm supposed to about what and how much I eat and I hit the treadmill nearly every day at least a mile sometimes more and nothing happens.  I can't afford to see a doctor and yes, my weight to height ratio says I am obese.  I have not updated my weight on my profile because I don't want all the "why don't you just kill yourself fatty!" emails I'd get.


One of the biggest misnomers when it comes to weight loss and obesity is the 'i eat right and exercise' line.

Most people who think they eat right and exercise do both wrong. Also, six weeks is nothing when it comes to losing weight from women. Unfortunately most women have the pattern fo losing little at first and then after a certain time losing a lot, as opposed to most men who can drop 20 pounds in three weeks but then their weight loss steadies out.

If you, or anyone, on this thread really wants to lose weight, give the following four months and I guarantee you'll see results (no I'm not selling infomercials).

  1. Drink more water than your avg blue whale. I think they say 8 16 oz glasses a day is 'normal,' aim for more than that. Water is the most important part of your body, it's what clenses the system of toxins (kind of), it fills you up so you're not as hungry etc. etc. etc.
  2. Eat clean. Don't eat anything processed or that's in a can or cardboard. Anything that's processed is an empty calorie. White bread, most pasta, white rice etc are all as bad as junk food. Try to always shop on the outside of the grocery store (where all the fresh vegetables, meat, dairy etc is) and rarely venture into the middle where all the frozen/boxed/canned stuff is. A few exceptions would be stuff like whole grain pasta (barilla plus is possibly the perfect food) or canned tuna in water. if it's got basically more than five ingredients and anything you can't pronounce, don't touch it. Diet is the key to weight loss and 90% of the people who say they eat right do the exact opposite. Smart Ones or LeanCuisine or any of that other prepackaged stuff is a joke for losing. It may be okay for maintaining, but not for losing.
  3. Don't count calories. Counting calories is a waste of time. Read labels, but only for things like ingredients and vitamin/macronutrient content.
  4. Eat more protein, it fills you up and keeps/builds lean muscle.
  5. Eat more often. Don't eat any less than five meals a day. Even if you kept your diet you have now and instead of eating 3 meals a day, you cut each of those in to half and ate the same calories spread over 6 meals, you'd lose weight and have a higher metabolism.
  6. Lift weights. Even if your goal is to lose weight, building muscle is an integral part. You don't have to become arnold schwarteneggar, just put on some lean muscle mass. It helps defend your body, increases immune function, fights things like bone density loss, joint issues and actually helps you lose weight. A pound of muscle burns 50 calories more a day at rest than a pound of fat. Add ten pounds of muscle, you're automatically burning an extra five hundred calories a day at rest. When I used to play compeitive sports, I'd lose my winter weight (20-30 lbs) in 8-10 weeks without touching a single cardio machine, just lifting at a high intensity and dieting.
  7. If you're doing cardio, do it right. Your optimal fat burning zone is 70 percent of your target heart rate, most people think they need to be lance armstrong or jesse owens in cardio when that is the exact wrong thing to do.  If you do cardio at 80% of your target heart rate or above, you will burn muscle instead of fat, which means you won't only not lose fat, you'll lose muscle, which as pointed out earlier, burns more calories at rest than fat.
    Also, since most people overdo cardio, doing it right will actually allow them to do it more often with lower instances fo overtraining and injury.
  8. Mix up your routine and diet. Your body adjusts, so you've got to keep it guessing. Throw in a day where you eat like crap every couple of weeks, change your workout routine, do different lifts/types of cardio, change the intensity etc, just to keep it interesting for you, but also keep your body guessing.
  9. Stretch. You'd be amazed at how much more your body can accomplish with soem additional flexibility.
  10. Sleep.

Like I said, anyone who does this for four months will see results, but it's hard and not as fun as the magic pill 99% of the people are looking for. Obviously I'm not a doctor, so any advice given isn't medically tested, but I've been fortunate enough to know a bunch of physical trainers and conditioning coaches along the way. Make sure that you're healthy enough to exercise and all that other disclaimer shit.

If anyone has any specific questions, please feel free to shoot me a pm.




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 4:01:32 PM)

I have heard before that our bodies stop recognizing so and so an activitiy  as activity if we keep doing it over and over and over, so maybey vary it up a little would help.

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

I hit the treadmill nearly every day at least a mile sometimes more and nothing happens. 




missturbation -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 5:00:05 PM)

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It seems the only people who should speak are those who haven't a care in the world about humanity, and being politically incorrect and unkind is worn as a sign of strength and pride.

How on earth do you get from me saying people are so outspoken sometimes because they are trying to convince themselves sometimes just as much as others, to not caring about humanity?
Don't get me started on politically incorrect!! Unkindness is a sign of strength and pride? I said that? Prey tell where?
 
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Fat threads are like anything else that people have opinions about.

Yes they are. They are also one of a few types of thread bound to cause rises of temper and outcry.
 
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They contribute even when they have nothing to add except more negativity to what they may claim is an out of control negative thread.

Actually i claimed it had me in hysterics.
 
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Thanks for the message board psycho analysis... I'll be sure to give your point of view on this subject it's due worth.

You're welcome. Twas just my opinion though as most posts on these boards are peoples opinions.
*goes off to ponder why an opinion on a message board full of them would be so noteworthy*




ShaharThorne -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 5:17:04 PM)

There was chocolate cake and no one told me?

*swipes a piece*




JaDaMaGi -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 5:33:27 PM)

FullfigRIMAAM1

uhh... I'm just checking that you're kidding.  I wasn't ACTUALLY intimidated.  ...and i didn't really think anyone was about to start executing people.

errr..... just clarifying. 




Mezrem -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 5:59:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation


*goes off to ponder why an opinion on a message board full of them would be so noteworthy*


Noteworthy to me because you made an assumption about me.. or so it seemed so I made a comment on it. *shrug*

Oh and thank you SlaveBlutarsky, I was not aware of the 80% and higher note about cardio from your post




missturbation -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 6:09:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mezrem

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ORIGINAL: missturbation


*goes off to ponder why an opinion on a message board full of them would be so noteworthy*


Noteworthy to me because you made an assumption about me.. or so it seemed so I made a comment on it. *shrug*



I gave an opinion based on my experience. I did not say it was fact and i did not even say that in my opinion it was all. I also did not pick you out and address the comment at you. A little touchy perhaps?




VeryMercurial -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 7:46:19 PM)

Touchy people on a CollarMe fat thread?
That is an understatement.




breatheasone -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 8:14:30 PM)

Are you trying to tell me i have to accept that theres no chocolate cake? ....Thats total douche baggery man.[8D]




LadySweetOrSour -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 8:19:31 PM)

[sm=candles.gif]

It's not anyone's birthday, I just wanted to bring cake.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 8:23:56 PM)

Thanks, Miss M!  I was just about to have a blackberry bakewell but cake is better!




breatheasone -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 8:25:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadySweetOrSour

[sm=candles.gif]

It's not anyone's birthday, I just wanted to bring cake.

OMG!!!.... a cake![sm=insane.gif] Does this mean i have to give you a blow job?[sm=yahoo.gif]




Andalusite -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 8:35:00 PM)

I actually just made brownies, but I can't share them over the Internet. [;)]

Misst, if you say something about group x, person A who is a member of group x is likely to feel quite legitimately that you mean them in particular. For example, when someone claimed that she doesn't "believe in switches," I figured she meant me. *shrugs* I'm not fat, but still get offended at some of the nasty posts in this thread.

Eyesopened, I think you look fine, too, but I completely understand how even a couple of pounds makes a big difference when you have a very slight bone structure.

LaT and holly, one guy asked if I was pregnant, and several women have called me a cow/huge/fat/whatever even though I'm really small, while other people tell me I'm too skinny or need some meat on my bones (often on the same day!). When I was about 5-10 pounds underweight, people asked if I was sick, had an eating disorder, or was doing drugs. [:'(] People don't limit their nasty remarks to people who are obese, they're pretty much equal-opportunity jerks.




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/21/2009 8:36:39 PM)

You came onto the thread to say that fat threads get a lot of attention and reaction, that no one has to accept anyone else, you don't understand people who risk their health by being fat, and people who say they accept and are content with their bodies are probably full of **it.

True no one has to like, love, accept, or speak to anyone else, but where's the humanity in that?   The point is, there is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone having preferences in choosing a partner.   However no one likes rejection, and that's what this thread is ultimately about.   I think you too can sympathize with being rejected for not being wonderful enough to someone at some point in your life, whatever the reason was. 

As to risking lives, how many times have you risked your health and life (in what would seem a more immediately fatal way than fatness would be) being, and playing in this lifestyle?   And how do you know folks who accept their bodies and know they're hot aren't well adjusted and just pushing back against the stereotype?   Is there a specific type in whom those words would always be believable?    M




WyldHrt -> RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? (5/22/2009 1:47:03 AM)

*Looks at the 20 page trainwreck* Yup, this is a classic CM fat thread alright! If nothing else, the OP's question has been answered... and then some!

A few things:
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I also did not pick you out and address the comment at you. A little touchy perhaps?

Ummmm, Misst? It's not uncommon for someone to think you are speaking to them when you have quoted their post and the "in reply to" thingo has their nick listed. That's not really being touchy, IMO.
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Those who kick up the biggest storm about fat threads and that they are ecstatically happy being fat, always come across to me as though they are not only trying to convince others they are happy but themselves too.

I have yet to see anyone here state that they are ecstatically happy about being fat. What I have seen is a few folks who simply accept their weight as part of who they are, and have made the decision to love themselves in all their physical "imperfection". As far as how they come across to you, if you "always" have the same reaction, I have to wonder if it is what they are writing, or what you are projecting.

As has been said by another, this thread has lowered my opinion of many who have posted here. Not because people have preferences, everyone does. But how those preferences are expressed is another matter. Personally, my preference is for a D that is larger than I am (weight, height, or both), and I simply cannot submit to a man who is not at least my intellectual equal. That said, I do not feel the need to call someone unsuitable who approaches me "scrawny", "shorty", or "dumbass". Why on earth would I do something like that?

For myself- I had my fill of being castigated and alienated for my size (I was tall and muscular as a child, not fat) by the time I was 14. Add to that the fact that I was a shy bookworm who wore thick glasses, and whoohoo! Bully-fodder extrordinaire!

25 years later, things are different.
At this point in my life, I really couldn't care less if someone is not interested in me because of my weight (hence the fact that it is listed in my profile), and I am rather immune to childish name-calling. I do find it sad that some people see this issue as an excuse to vent all their pent up venom, but that is not my problem.




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