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RE: For Geoff - 5/15/2009 6:47:09 PM

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Geoff - you are in my thoughts. Stay tough!

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RE: For Geoff - 5/15/2009 9:48:04 PM

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Seriously consider contacting both NA and AA, they may be invaluable to you.

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RE: For Geoff - 5/15/2009 10:23:41 PM

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Geoff..

I have faith that you can do what's best for you. Feel free to contact me if you need an ear or encouragement......

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RE: For Geoff - 5/16/2009 11:50:35 PM

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drugs and alcohol are only anesthesia, you still wake up to the pain. it's like taking pain pills instead of seeing the dentist, it only prolongs the agony until you do something about it. it's easy to kill the pain of mistakes and regrets in a bottle, plenty of us know people who have done it. i watched my sister deal with a cocaine addiction and alcohol abuse. she damn near died, she lost her daughters and damn near lost the rest of her family. it was hell for everyone that loved her and doubly so for her. it was hard, but she beat the addiction. as many people will tell you, once an addict, always an addict. she fell off the wagon and started drinking again a couple years ago and is trying to fight her way back. i started using alcohol as a crutch to get through a rough time in my life, fortunately i realized what was happening and haven't had a drink in 7 yrs. i'll never drink again. it's so easy to hide in a bottle, liquid or otherwise. the hard part is living with the mistakes we make and trying not to repeat them. making ammends for things we've done wrong, correcting errors we've made in our choices, it's never easy. but doing things right, or to the best of our ability, makes it possible not only to face the world but the person in the mirror as well. and that person in the mirror is the hardest one to live with, you can't hide the truth from that one.

get yourself to a meeting or a treatment center and take it one second, one minute, one hour, one day at a time. best of luck.
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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 12:02:37 AM

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Geoff, i used to be a junkie(20ish years ago)...i used to shoot up daily and would spend money my family (husband, kids, me) couldn't afford. i 12 stepped, and 12 stepped some more. i rehabbed and didnt it one more time just to make sure! But until i realized that i wasn't a victim and COULD chose and have power over my CHOICES i didn't change. Choose life Geoff.

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 9:09:17 AM

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This may seem trivial to some, but its a big step for me. I managed to refuse a joint and limit myself to one beer last night at the Mushroomhead show.

Ive been slacking off on my music. I am a musician, it is my purpose in life. Its the reason I get up, the reason I exist. It is what drives me, and keeps me sane. Its time for me to really get behind this a push, and make this dream a reality.

<edit> 666th post.... hmm....

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 9:18:58 AM

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Maybe it's a sign that it's time to put your demons behind you and go forward to happiness, success and prosperity from this point forward.

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 9:31:24 AM

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Best wishes Geoff; you have so many behind you!

You can be strong when you choose to be.

You know this.

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 9:50:39 AM

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Sending thoughts and prayers from London. Throw yourself into your music and try to find stability through creativity. Make that your focus, and build yourself up from there.

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 3:39:11 PM

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Again, thank you everyone for your support. It really means alot to me.

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 5:14:41 PM

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Geoff every time you say no is a step forward. Just remember to not be discouraged or overly hard on yourself if you slip up now and then.

Cliche time: every journey starts with a single step...
but sometimes the terrain is sandy or slippery.

The key is to renew your determination to succeed, and apply yourself to it.

Like I said.,.. if you need an ear or words of encouragement...

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 5:42:21 PM

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Sorry, operative word: AGAIN

Goeff: Grow a pair, want to throw your life away, knock your socks off, want to grow up---go for it. The fact that you are a submissive or the fact that you were MoGa's sub, counts for nothing.

MoGa: don't enable

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 5:56:59 PM

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Cat, I am not enabling. I asked for prayers and support for someone who needed it. As you have noticed, I have not posted since my OP. Until now, and only because I feel I have to defend my reasoning for posting to begin with. I did what I wanted to do. I would not call asking for support for someone enabling. I would call it being a friend. As my friend, I would think that you would understand this.

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 6:05:43 PM

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Let us not forget that while enabling does have very negative conotations it does not start our inherently bad or negative. Enabling comes from a sincere point of wanting to help someone...Wanting to make them better...Wanting to lessen their pain... Moga, my dear Moga you (in this given thread) have not enabled Geoff. What you have done was create a place for him to feel valued, loved, and cared about...Something many of us not only need, but would value beyond all belief.
i think it's sad really when we are forced to defend our actions..The reality is: You do not owe anyone an explanation today....
i don't know that any of us at any given point in time (or our own history) could not have warranted the whole "grow a pair' mentality...However, here's the reality of it. Telling a person who's struggling with addiction issues to grow a pair is like handing a person who is suicidal a couple of cyanide caplets.... It's not only not helpful but it's nearly evil...It's important to remember that this is a disease...NOT A MORAL ISSUE.
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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 6:41:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MoGa

Cat, I am not enabling. I asked for prayers and support for someone who needed it. As you have noticed, I have not posted since my OP. Until now, and only because I feel I have to defend my reasoning for posting to begin with. I did what I wanted to do. I would not call asking for support for someone enabling. I would call it being a friend. As my friend, I would think that you would understand this.

and as a friend, I do not feel the need to mollycoddle, if you and he were standing in front of Me, I'd say the same thing--asking for support is being tough enough to accept what you don't want to hear.

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 6:44:51 PM

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And as a friend, I ask that you email me to discuss this, not on this open board. I do not have a problem with what you want to say to me, I ask that you respect me enough to do it privately.

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 7:06:51 PM

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Anyway.........Back to Geoff....

How are you doing? Have you considered admitting yourself into treatment? 12 step meetings? Rational Recovery? Faith based 12 step programs? Anything?
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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 7:14:41 PM

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Honestly I dont do too well with 12 steps. I always feel like theyre trying to force some religon down my throat and I hate that. I am NOT powerless. I chose to stick a needle in my arm, I chose to drink myself stupid. Therefore, I can choose to not do those things. I am my own higher power.

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 7:20:41 PM

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The problem with that theory is that you can not be higher than yourself. The other is, exactly how powerful are you when you're wasted?

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RE: For Geoff - 5/17/2009 7:24:43 PM

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oh Geoff, you are right...These are all choices you make....No one (that I'm aware of) has stuck a gun to Your head and forced You to get high, drunk, stoned etc. But, here's the catch....The powerlessness part comes in once You put a chemical into Your body..You lose the power to chose what You are going to do next. Let me ask You this: how many people have You hurt (including yourself) by Your drug use? How many times did You do that which You swore never to do again? How many times did You wake up cursing someone or something because You can't even remember how You got there...THAT, my friend is the result of a disease You have... You are powerless over how the chemicals respond once you've put them into Your body....
Regarding the higher power thing, let me ask You where Your best thinking has gotten You? Have You been to a 12 step meeting? Did you notice that they (collectively) had something you did not? They did. They had sobriety. Therefore they are a power greater than yourself. *remind me sometime to tell you the story about a friend of mine who used a chair in the group for his hp*
i understand the resistance Geoff.....believe me i do....
There are other options out there besides 12 step programs...They include: smart recovery, rational recovery, etc.
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