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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:57:22 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		MOST of the time when a person gets probation -- it is DRILLED into them by the judge, the probation officer and their lawyer that if they violate the probation THEY COULD AND PROBABLY WILL have to go to jail.

So its not like she wasn't informed.

Kittnsol, you have a good question about non-violent offenders, but what you haven't stated is if they don't go to prison -- what do you do with them -- obviously many -- like the OP's friend don't seem to listen to slap on the wrists wherein they don't have to go to prison, many are just like her who think probation is no big deal, many times these same people become second and third offenders of non-violent crimes?  I can't answer your question in full right now but i would really like to know what you think should be the consequences for non-violent offenders that would make them take responsibility for the crime they committed?  So what do you do with these types of criminals?  I am not speaking of the people who actually take responsibility and don't end up in jail because they correctly follow their probation and the second chance they were given because they may have made a mistake.  I am talking what would your solution be for the OP's friend who really didn't think the court was serious?

You are easy to condemn jail time but what do you suggest for people like the OP's friend who had a chance to stay out of prison for her crime and chose to thumb her nose at the slap on the wrist she received?  Also, see if you are able to answer it without saying but what about how these other people get off.   You also have to remember the OP was arrested for a VIOLENT crime, if i remember him stating correctly, so he should have gone to jail and his friend not, right?

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:59:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Um... could you repeat that without tenuous analogies?

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:01:14 AM   
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There are degrees in offences, but you should know that someone's political affiliations should remain irrelevant to the sentence that gets dished out to them. Please go and bite someone else's ankle, I'm not in the mood  .
You're right...political affiliation should not make a difference as to whether or not a person does time but I seem to remember many from the left being so verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry happy about Scooter Libby going to jail, about Madoff going to jail.  Personally, I think both deserve jail time but it is not because of their political affiliation...it is because of the fact that they were found to have committed a crime.
But for many, there's a certain amount of glee that goes along with a certain type of person going to jail...witness the threads whenever a conservative is sent to jail.  Your statement caught my attention for that very reason...if you don't believe that non-violent offenders belong in jail, then you should have been the one leading the protest against Madoff and Libby being sentenced to do time.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:05:29 AM   
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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:06:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quite obviously you missed my very first post on this thread - and yes, there is a difference between repeatedly stealing astronomical sums of money from people for decades, and doing what slaveboy's friend did. No questions about it.

Is it justice that she should go to prison whilst the PA men go free? Nobody's answered that yet. Strange  ...

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:08:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yet the point to the OP was the inordinate time she spend being shuffled around prior to being extradited to answer for her parole violation. I do not believe that the person in question is trying to avoid the punishment for the violation but to have the punishment be appropriate to the parole violation. It was also pointed out by slaveboy that it's the fact that his friend had spent  28 days being transferred  Austin, Texas to Conway, AR. This is the issue being disputed, not how bad the justice system is or how corrupt the law is. 

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:09:50 AM   
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Um... could you repeat that without tenuous analogies?

Yes: Crime and punishment have everything to do with religious tenets.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:10:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then to just answer that one statement. You are a ward of the state. At that point you go where and when they tell you to go. It counts for your time so it makes no difference how long it takes you to get somewhere.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:11:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		What also needs to be understood is it is us regular people who create these laws, thus if the justice system is badly flawed then we  are the ones who are ultimately responsible for those flaws. 

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:13:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: scifi1133

Then to just answer that one statement. You are a ward of the state. At that point you go where and when they tell you to go. It counts for your time so it makes no difference how long it takes you to get somewhere.


I can't argue with that yet the OP did state his friend's travel time wasn't taken into consideration.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:18:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
Um... could you repeat that without tenuous analogies?

Yes: Crime and punishment have everything to do with religious tenets.


SO, if someone is not christian, do the laws no longer apply?


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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:23:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
Um... could you repeat that without tenuous analogies?

Yes: Crime and punishment have everything to do with religious tenets.


SO, if someone is not christian, do the laws no longer apply?



No Greedy....us non christians need to be converted first. (inserts a bit of humor)


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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:24:09 AM   
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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:28:12 AM   
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Unless I am totally mistaken, at one point in our distant past the church were also the law makers and it also upheld the law over the populace.


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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:32:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		yeah, but that was a LONG time ago, Bear.   Separation of church and state now... at least here, in the US of A.....


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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:36:37 AM   
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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:57:15 AM   
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Let's suppose the OP's friend wrote a bad check for the purpose of purchasing a used vehicle.

Scenario #1:  She bought the vehicle from a car dealer, using a bad check.

Scenario #2:  She may have bought the vehicle from a private owner, who needed to sell the vehicle to buy medicine for an ill family member.

Does it make it any less right or wrong in who she wrote the bad check to?  Either way, she has the goods (car) and the seller has been taken.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 8:59:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dont be hard on Slaveboy.    I once was interested in a few different prison guys.     I am glad I dropped the interest.

Maybe the gal has a gambling problem.    That can be tough.

I had a brush with the law.  It cost me plenty.   What should have been $100 fine, was trumped up to 12.5 years in prison.   It cost me $20k in lawyers.   That is what it took.     As a result- I did not go to jail.   It sure was an expensive and stressful chapter.  My poor mother!  She seen the whole trial.  Things a mom should not see.

Thank god - it is all in the past.



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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 9:01:11 AM   
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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 10:24:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

I do not believe that the person in question is trying to avoid the punishment for the violation


Bear, if she wasn't trying to avoid the punishment, she wouldn't have fled the state.

Although the 28 day move around routine is bizarre.

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