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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/21/2009 6:40:22 PM   
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Found exactly the same problem. I think it is because the fem sub/slaves are in a strong minority on collarme, I think 10 - 1, and dont feel they have to do much to find a male dom. So they dont. It is totally frustrating, even after you eventually get a conversation going. I think the above thought is true also, that they are likely not interested, or have better options.

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/21/2009 7:11:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: master4subbie

Found exactly the same problem. I think it is because the fem sub/slaves are in a strong minority on collarme, I think 10 - 1, and dont feel they have to do much to find a male dom. So they dont. It is totally frustrating, even after you eventually get a conversation going. I think the above thought is true also, that they are likely not interested, or have better options.


That's a bit demeaning and insulting of a lot of the women on this site.  Yes, the demand for available female subs/slaves is highest.  That doesn't mean that the majority of us feel we don't have to do much to "find" a male dom, it merely allows us to look for exactly what we want.  A red flag goes up for most of us when we hear that someone thinks it is because we are essentially too "lazy" and don't want to "work" hard at finding our match. 

Personally, when someone sparks my interest, I have no problem letting them know I am interested in them.  I also let them know that they need to maintain MY interest, which the comments you made above indicate to me isn't likely to happen.  Relationships are two sided and I have no interest in those who think I need to constantly "prove" my worthiness to them while they sit back drinking a beer assuming that they are worthy of my time because they gave themselves a fancy title.

Why is it that so few "doms" who are turned down lack the ability to look in the mirror and question what might be undesirable about them instead of talking about all the fakes, liars, etc. who ceased communication with them?  Nevermind, I really know the answer, and it has be rehashed here a million times.  I'm just so tired of the "whiny dom syndrome" I might stupid slap the next one that passes my way. <licks hand because she thinks she sees one coming>

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/21/2009 8:47:59 PM   
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LafayetteLady.... you just cracked me up, thinking of you licking your hand!

whiny dom syndrome... god you gave me a laugh when i really needed one...


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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/21/2009 9:31:16 PM   
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For anyone unfamiliar with the "stupid slap".....you lick your hand and then slap the forehead of the nearest "stupid". 

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/21/2009 9:50:12 PM   
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SOME of the things that has occured for me with subs who write little is this,,
*They are scared..**they  have  been trained to NOT speak..*They do not know if they even should speak(misconceptions about big-bad BDSM)..and ***some are afraid to think right then and need time..
so I
1) explain that I am simply a woman speaking with a man/woman..I am NOT their Mistress so they so not need to be anything but  them selves and polite and open

2)I say how happy I am when they give honest answers and take the time to answer

3)I ask for an e mail  so a night or day to THINK about something..
such as write me a little story( ideal day with a nw MISTRESS)....or the "5 Things" suggested above..if they say "I am not good at..."
I say  I don't care what it looks like etc..I enjoy the effort

4)some have had dyslexia..yes at least 5...so were afraid
so we called on the phone

5) for those taught to rarely speak I have asked  "Has someone told you not to speak or ask questons?".."I like it when you do.".


ALL this is of course IF I AM interested in further discussions..
I have no interest in the distance..pursue..push -pull scenerio..
brat-coy//BS
so I make a decision fairly quickly
 
Lack of communication can indicate all of the other things ppl said too...fakes..bored ppl..talking to many..snagging you in.

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You will soon pick up on what TYPE of person it is after talking to many

GQ

ps  Lafayette..!!
AGREED..there are a few beer barrel Doms...on here I'd like to stupid slap and bitch slap  YOU GO GIRL

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/22/2009 6:46:37 AM   
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For anyone unfamiliar with the "stupid slap".....you lick your hand and then slap the forehead of the nearest "stupid". 


I don't want to touch them. How about I hand them a "here's your sign"?

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/22/2009 9:29:15 AM   
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For anyone unfamiliar with the "stupid slap".....you lick your hand and then slap the forehead of the nearest "stupid". 


I don't want to touch them. How about I hand them a "here's your sign"?


Whatever floats your boat.  Although, I doubt many of them would even understand what "here's your sign" meant. 

Of course whether you stupid slap, bitch slap or "here's your sign" them, it doesn't really matter if they understand why.  After all, we are doing it for OUR personal satisfaction simply because they have shown they don't, in our opinion deserve their own satisfaction.

Now if we can incorporate all three methods.....

MAYBE they might get the hint that they were doing something wrong?

Who am I kidding?  They would just call us a bunch of angry bitches.  To which of course we could collectively remind them that they should question whether any of it happened, because we might just be "fake" a figment of their imagination....

I'm starting to see a plan for ending "whiny dom syndrome"  systematically make them crazier than they already are.

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/22/2009 9:41:22 AM   
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Got a mental pic of a man in shiny new fetish wear sitting on his ass looking like a pole axed monkey. Thanks for the laugh... stupid smack, I will have to remember that one!



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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/22/2009 9:42:49 AM   
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Don't stupid slap me, but what is a pole axed monkey? 

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/22/2009 11:09:54 AM   
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...Why is it that so few "doms" who are turned down lack the ability to look in the mirror and question what might be undesirable about them instead of talking about all the fakes, liars, etc. who ceased communication with them? ...

Well, see - this is probably the subby's curse: having to put up with the manipulation and pressure tactics that a plethora of everhopefull dominants sometimes will resort to.

And the flip side of the coin is the dominant trying to tease out the meaning of a 3 or 4 word message as if it were the DaVinci code.
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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/22/2009 1:16:48 PM   
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quote:

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...Why is it that so few "doms" who are turned down lack the ability to look in the mirror and question what might be undesirable about them instead of talking about all the fakes, liars, etc. who ceased communication with them? ...

Well, see - this is probably the subby's curse: having to put up with the manipulation and pressure tactics that a plethora of everhopefull dominants sometimes will resort to.

And the flip side of the coin is the dominant trying to tease out the meaning of a 3 or 4 word message as if it were the DaVinci code.
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GYPZYQUEEN - I like how you broke some things down and laid it out there.



I've talked to doms who have done the same thing with the short answers.  You either are interested enough to pursue finding out why or you aren't.  I've gotten the "because I want to know all about you" line enough times to make me puke.  That's like code for saying "I am the Great and Powerful Dom and you must impress me with all you have to offer so that I will want to "consider" you."  It's the bullshit line of every guy who hasn't got a clue and thinks he doesn't need to be interesting or impress the woman he is speaking with because of his self imposed title.  It is impossible to help or advise anyone who doesn't understand that the search is two sided and compatibility is a must.

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/22/2009 1:23:21 PM   
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Hello all, I just have a quick question here. i am fairly new to all forms of online interaction and was curious... What do you other Masters do when you talk to a submissive online and she seems very interested, but never says more than a sentence or two?

No matter how open I am, how many questions I ask, or how much detail I give, nor how interesting or interested in her I am, it never changes. She classifies herself as a slave, and she is younger than me, but seems bright, judging by what little she does say.

Any advice from Dommes/Doms or submissives/slaves would be much appreciated.

I did do a search, but found nothing useful.


This is but one of the reasons I no longer do on-line collars, and if a sub of any gender can not give me more that a couple of lines in an email or by phone or even at a first meet, that first meet will be the last.


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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/22/2009 2:03:42 PM   
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This is but one of the reasons I no longer do on-line collars, and if a sub of any gender can not give me more that a couple of lines in an email or by phone or even at a first meet, that first meet will be the last.



Yes, but IB you included the phone and meeting in person.  The OP was that frustrated and upset when they hadn't yet moved on to phone or meeting.  As everyone says, there are dozens upon dozens of reasons why someone might not be very communicative with the written word, the trick is finding out why and moving on from there. 

Of course we don't know if the OP was planning on keeping the relationship online only, which means that if the communication issue can't be resolved then they just aren't a match.

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/22/2009 2:42:09 PM   
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I agree, however I chose to widen my response to cover both phone and personal meetings simply because the same requirements of being able to communicate adequately applies to all three and also because I am more likely to meet someone away from the net usually on a social occasion. I wrote CM and other sites like FetLife off some time ago as a probable method of meeting people interested and willing to meet. 

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/23/2009 6:44:51 AM   
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What do you other Masters do when you talk to a submissive online and she seems very interested, but never says more than a sentence or two


I disconnect - if she wants something, she'll come back to me. Most are having twelve conversations at the same time they're talking to you. Women crave attention, and many "onliners" have figured out that it really doesn't much matter how much they say, or don't say, men will generally keep talking to them, in the hope that.... and you just proved that.

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/23/2009 8:15:05 AM   
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Maybe they have a pot of spuds on the stove, maybe they are worried about the funny sounding dryer, maybe its that time of the month and they are feeling monosyllabic, maybe the dog just shit on the carpet, maybe the um was calling, maybe, maybe.. maybe.....

Maybe the smartest thing to do is to ask.................................................................................................................................................................................................


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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/23/2009 9:26:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: Jeptha

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

...Why is it that so few "doms" who are turned down lack the ability to look in the mirror and question what might be undesirable about them instead of talking about all the fakes, liars, etc. who ceased communication with them? ...

Well, see - this is probably the subby's curse: having to put up with the manipulation and pressure tactics that a plethora of everhopefull dominants sometimes will resort to.

And the flip side of the coin is the dominant trying to tease out the meaning of a 3 or 4 word message as if it were the DaVinci code.
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GYPZYQUEEN - I like how you broke some things down and laid it out there.



I've talked to doms who have done the same thing with the short answers. You either are interested enough to pursue finding out why or you aren't. I've gotten the "because I want to know all about you" line enough times to make me puke. That's like code for saying "I am the Great and Powerful Dom and you must impress me with all you have to offer so that I will want to "consider" you." It's the bullshit line of every guy who hasn't got a clue and thinks he doesn't need to be interesting or impress the woman he is speaking with because of his self imposed title. It is impossible to help or advise anyone who doesn't understand that the search is two sided and compatibility is a must.
That's the logistics of the thing.

You have to figure out a way to sort out all the replies. That's your particular burden.

From where I'm sitting, I'd think it would be easier since at least *some* must distinguish themselves from the 95% who are obviously just trolling for a nibble from a new fish and have put little or no effort into their communication. Those, it would seem, would be fairly obvious fairly quickly.

...No? Or am I mistaken in that assumption, and they all suck invariably?


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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/24/2009 4:59:13 AM   
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Actually Jeptha, what happens when they distinguish themselves in writing means that they are good at writing. It doesn't mean they are good at relationship skills, or face to face. It may mean they are only good if they have a day to consider their answer to everything.

The Man's an engineer by education. He isn't good at writing. I was still in my being polite to everyone phrase and responded to his one liner with a two liner. It just sort of grew from there. He still isn't good at the written word. But he's great hands on. He's detail oriented so he watched and studied me and knows how to handle me. But when he writes letters, part of my job is to proof read and fix them.

He won't ever write the great American novel, but he's put on a new roof. And that's something of much more concrete importance when it rains.

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/24/2009 11:02:43 AM   
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Maybe they have a pot of spuds on the stove, maybe they are worried about the funny sounding dryer, maybe its that time of the month and they are feeling monosyllabic, maybe the dog just shit on the carpet, maybe the um was calling, maybe, maybe.. maybe.....

Maybe the smartest thing to do is to ask.................................................................................................................................................................................................




In my case, with the woman that caused me to write this post. I did ask, she said, "I'm fine." which was not even an answer to my question. I think it would be kinda stupid to not ask the person who you are talking to before posting on a message board, but that is just me. Anyway, I have happily moved on to bigger and brighter things. Glad to see all of the differing opinions and discussion.

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RE: Uncommunicative submissives - 5/24/2009 11:19:22 AM   
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Actually Jeptha, what happens when they distinguish themselves in writing means that they are good at writing.

Technically, you're right. But for our purposes, to be good at writing would be to be capable of conveying something in writing: some sense of who they are or what they want. The formality (spelling, punctuation) isn't as important as the content. The problem that the guys here are bitching about (as I see it) is not only minimal form, but lack of content.

quote:

...It doesn't mean they are good at relationship skills, or face to face.
True, but what else do you have to go on? Hopefully they can give you at least a rough sketch of their goals, values, etc., ... something!

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It may mean they are only good if they have a day to consider their answer to everything.
Sure. But I'm turtle-slow at most things, so a day turn-around time might be a time frame I'd be comfortable with.

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The Man's an engineer by education. He isn't good at writing. I was still in my being polite to everyone phrase and responded to his one liner with a two liner. It just sort of grew from there. He still isn't good at the written word. But he's great hands on. He's detail oriented so he watched and studied me and knows how to handle me. But when he writes letters, part of my job is to proof read and fix them.
Still - just as an engineer strives for an accurate schematic, I'd wager he put something in terms of relevent content into his short messages.

-That the map reflected the territory to some degree, even if only a rough sketch.

Being concise is one thing - good, as long as content and meaning and intention aren't completely sacrificed. I should strive for more brevity, myself.

Maybe part of my problem is that I sorta suck at flirting via short online messages. After one or two exchanges of humorous, flirty one-liners, I'm about done. Other people seem to work that a lot better, though, I've noticed.

Another problem: I've probably been spoiled in that I've had one partner who I met via e-mails first, and we really connected through writing.

I don't want to compare others to her...but in someway, I think that experience gave me an inflated notion of the practical potential of making a connection via writing. My subsequent experience has shown me that that was probably a pretty rare thing, though.
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He won't ever write the great American novel, but he's put on a new roof. And that's something of much more concrete importance when it rains.

As someone who's struggled with old, dilapidated roofing almost where-ever I've gone in my adult life, I can appreciate that!

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