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iheartperverts -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/15/2006 10:55:42 PM)
Wow. I didn't know I could send mail to my bulk folder and have often wonder what it was there for.....learn something new every day. Getting upset over e-mail preferences seems a little silly.

RavenMuse -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/15/2006 11:35:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne This debate is not about restricting your freedom to choose how you set your mail controls. This STILL going on? Sheesh RO the 'debate' long since ended, what this is and has been for some time is simply an excersise in stubourness and refusal to face the fact that you are flogging a dead horse! Do I still think it would make a 'slight' positive diffrence? Yes, is that 'slight' diffrence worth the time and effort it would take to program it? Nope! Is OUR opinion on it any more or less valid than those like bita truble who would rather keep their options open at the expece of a bit of wasted effort from other people? Nope Nothing more to be said really.... and hasn't been for ages.

BitaTruble -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/15/2006 11:43:47 PM)
quote: like bita truble who would rather keep their options open at the expece of a bit of wasted effort from other people? Nope Just to clarify. The examples given were hypothetical in nature. I don't have my mail controls set. :) I don't care who emails me. I have fun with the trolls, and don't want to block out potential friends or people who may want to write me from the forums. Celeste

RavenMuse -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/15/2006 11:52:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble quote: like bita truble who would rather keep their options open at the expece of a bit of wasted effort from other people? Nope Just to clarify. The examples given were hypothetical in nature. I don't have my mail controls set. :) I don't care who emails me. I have fun with the trolls, and don't want to block out potential friends or people who may want to write me from the forums. Celeste Yep but you've a right to do so hypothetical or not and that is just as valid an opinion as RO's or my own[:)] Seesh, spotting huge typos all over the place in my posts this morning... maybe I should have had more coffee before I started[:D]

IrishMist -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/16/2006 4:58:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist But you are missing the one single point that EVERYONE has tried to impose upon you here. EVEN IF your suggestions are taken into practice, it is not going to matter at all quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist So and so saw your letter in their mailbox, read your profile, and for reasons OF THEIR OWN, decided that you were not compatible. So, they either deleted, or moved your name to the bulk mail bin, without ever reading it. You are right back at square one. Faced with the fact that for reasons of their own, people do not read some mail, but they do read others. Ok lets start here. Is this the focus of what you feel everyone is trying to impose on me? Yes. Included with the fact that with this being a possibility anyway, even if mail controls are set so that others could see them...this would still be a factor that has to be considered before making changes such as you are suggesting. Why should the web developers here WASTE THEIR TIME doing something like this when the possibility is there that IT WILL NOT MAKE ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE in the outcome? quote: Ok good point, let me clarify it. This debate is not about restricting your freedom to choose how you set your mail controls. Ok, then we are back at one of the first arguments presented to you. PRIVACY. The right to privacy. Everyone has the right to not want their preferences shown, to keep them private. quote: Hypotheticals because I don't set my mail to send to bulk. Today, I want to weed out anyone who's over 50. All those emails go to my bulk mail and no one knows it and I'm not telling them, because tomorrow I may think 50 looks pretty damn good, so I skip over to my bulk and start reading those emails. Rather than discourage them by telling them to just go away in my profile, I want to keep the options open for myself. If I took to long and they've been snatched up, my bad. I took the risk and paid the price for my delay. Today I want to weed out anyone not local to my area, but I don't want them to know because there's a rumor going on that my company may be moving pretty soon and I want to keep my options open. Sure enough, my company moves, I'm transferred to a new state and voila, I have bulk mail to skip over to and see if there's anyone writing from the new area. If I took to long and they've been snatched up, my bad. I took the risk and paid the price for my delay. Today I want to weed out men, but I don't want them to know because I'm just starting to explore my bisexual side with woman and it may turn out that it's not for me. Sure enough, women pretty much suck, I'm going back to guys. Skip over.. yadda, yadda. The debate is 'all' about preferences. Your contention is that you didn't get any valid arguments as to 'why' they shouldn't be displayed. Well, there's one for you. It's about someone keeping their options open and you want to take that away so lifes a bit easier on you. R1, speaking only for myself as a sadist, I'd just as soon make it hurt as much as possible. :) Carry on. ::skips back to watch the rerun of Project Runway:: Celeste Celeste gives a wonderful hypothetical here about how people like to keep their options open in certain areas.

Real0ne -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 2:24:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble quote: This debate is about "ALL" the preferences being displayed on the profile. Hypotheticals because I don't set my mail to send to bulk. Today, I want to weed out anyone who's over 50. All those emails go to my bulk mail and no one knows it and I'm not telling them, because tomorrow I may think 50 looks pretty damn good, so I skip over to my bulk and start reading those emails. Rather than discourage them by telling them to just go away in my profile, I want to keep the options open for myself. If I took to long and they've been snatched up, my bad. I took the risk and paid the price for my delay. Today I want to weed out anyone not local to my area, but I don't want them to know because there's a rumor going on that my company may be moving pretty soon and I want to keep my options open. Sure enough, my company moves, I'm transferred to a new state and voila, I have bulk mail to skip over to and see if there's anyone writing from the new area. If I took to long and they've been snatched up, my bad. I took the risk and paid the price for my delay. Today I want to weed out men, but I don't want them to know because I'm just starting to explore my bisexual side with woman and it may turn out that it's not for me. Sure enough, women pretty much suck, I'm going back to guys. Skip over.. yadda, yadda. The debate is 'all' about preferences. Your contention is that you didn't get any valid arguments as to 'why' they shouldn't be displayed. Well, there's one for you. It's about someone keeping their options open and you want to take that away so lifes a bit easier on you. R1, speaking only for myself as a sadist, I'd just as soon make it hurt as much as possible. :) Carry on. ::skips back to watch the rerun of Project Runway:: Celeste So this is how it would work in your hypothetical. Ok so today you prefer under 50. so you set your mail controls for min=25 max=50. i sign in. click on your profile. right under {Actively Seeking:} it says: Age 25 - 50 i see this and say kool! i am 50 so i will write. the next guy reads it, being 24 he does not write. If tommorrow you feel 50 looks good, you only want local, they must have a profile then: i sign in. click on your profile. right under {Actively Seeking:} it says: Age 25 - 52 Local only Profile Rqd add the sex variant: Males, females, couples. subtract males variant: Females, Couples. or any combination you wish. Then like your actively seeking it would change what is displayed every time you change your mind. No system can work in a manner that provides you with having things both ways at once and still be honest. you want to see your bi side but do not want men to know just has that dishonest ring to it. as far as the rest of your concerns like company moving, or even including the bi thing etc. well this is not meant to resolve those kinds of things nor is it intended to cover every possible contingency. No system can. you would need to address those kinds of things in your profile. On the other hand, doing it they way i am suggesting gives you the option to change your mind at will and as often as you wish, LISTEN UP ADMINS! LOL! without having to change your profile saving the admins hours of profile appoving. It would very much improve the ease of use for certain sectors of people and help reduce the mystery and/or unintentional errors. i have a very good friend on here who has her controls set to an age different than she states on her profile. why? "because it takes them to long to update it"! thats a quote!

Arpig -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 2:39:31 PM)
round and round we go......

Real0ne -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 2:39:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist But you are missing the one single point that EVERYONE has tried to impose upon you here. EVEN IF your suggestions are taken into practice, it is not going to matter at all quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist So and so saw your letter in their mailbox, 1)read your profile, and for reasons OF THEIR OWN, 2)decided that you were not compatible. 3)So, they either deleted, or moved your name to the bulk mail bin, 4)without ever reading it. 5)You are right back at square one. Faced with the fact that for reasons of their own, people do not read some mail, but they do read others. Ok lets start here. Is this the focus of what you feel everyone is trying to impose on me? Yes. Included with the fact that with this being a possibility anyway, even if mail controls are set so that others could see them...this would still be a factor that has to be considered before making changes such as you are suggesting. Why should the web developers here WASTE THEIR TIME doing something like this when the possibility is there that IT WILL NOT MAKE ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE in the outcome? Ok, then we are back at one of the first arguments presented to you. PRIVACY. The right to privacy. Everyone has the right to not want their preferences shown, to keep them private. Celeste gives a wonderful hypothetical here about how people like to keep their options open in certain areas. Ok if you wish to understand my point here you have to understand i am not talking about a piece of mail that is in someones "main mail box" that goes unheeded for whatever reason. i restricted this to the mail that does not go to the main mail box but into the bulk box that most people never look at because it is the garbage mail they DO NOT want to see anyway so why bother looking at it. i am addressing the control and privacy. as far as efficacy, i will address at a later point. Again i have made my case in point as to why this is not regarded as a privacy issue and the label privacy is in fact inappropriate. Your task as well as others would be to present a case in point that demonstrates what i want to have done is in fact a violation of your privacy. No has has remotely presented a valid case at this point to demonstrate it violates anyones civil or personal rights. Attorneys give first time consultation for free. email him/her my argument and tell them you feel that its a violation of your right to privacy. Free drinks all nite if he doesnt find those who believe this in any way violates their rights quite humorous frankly.

MistressOfGa -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 2:39:59 PM)
quote: So this is how it would work in your hypothetical. Ok so today you prefer under 50. so you set your mail controls for min=25 max=50. i sign in. click on your profile. right under {Actively Seeking:} it says: Age 25 - 50 i see this and say kool! i am 50 so i will write. the next guy reads it, being 24 he does not write. If tommorrow you feel 50 looks good, you only want local, they must have a profile then: i sign in. click on your profile. right under {Actively Seeking:} it says: Age 25 - 52 Local only Profile Rqd add the sex variant: Males, females, couples. subtract males variant: Females, Couples. or any combination you wish. Then like your actively seeking it would change what is displayed every time you change your mind. No system can work in a manner that provides you with having things both ways at once and still be honest. you want to see your bi side but do not want men to know just has that dishonest ring to it. as far as the rest of your concerns like company moving, or even including the bi thing etc. well this is not meant to resolve those kinds of things nor is it intended to cover every possible contingency. No system can. you would need to address those kinds of things in your profile. On the other hand, doing it they way i am suggesting gives you the option to change your mind at will and as often as you wish, LISTEN UP ADMINS! LOL! without having to change your profile saving the admins hours of profile appoving. It would very much improve the ease of use for certain sectors of people and help reduce the mystery and/or unintentional errors. i have a very good friend on here who has her controls set to an age different than she states on her profile. why? "because it takes them to long to update it"! thats a quote! Oh my fucking gawwwd. Will you never shut up? DO THIS: Go learn HTML, create your own community, call it something like qyb.com (Quit Your Bitching) and do all the arranging of the furniture you want to. But so long as you are in THIS house and it has opened it's doors for you to VISIT, then get your feet off the coffee table and stop complaining about the toilet that you have to jiggle the freakin handle to make stop running! You have alot of nerve coming to a FREE site and bitching about how it is run. I have basically ignored you, but Jesus you are on every thread, bitching about something or another. Yes I have the option of putting you on ignore, but then I cant figure out what the others are talking about when they are saying the same thing I am saying now. Is your life so empty that you have NOTHING better to do but to sit here and bitch about shit you dont have control over? IT IS A FREE SITE man, get it? NO ADS here. NO POP-UPS. NOTHING. Go to alt.com and bitch about how you cant even check your stupid email without pop ups all over the place, and you PAY for that freaking site. Gawwwd..<looks around for a stiff drink>

michaelGA -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 2:48:07 PM)
how long is this gonna continue? only the Shadow knows...LOL

Real0ne -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 2:57:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Sorry RealOne, but despite your refusal to see it, your arguement has been rebutted, repeatedly. Many of us have a PREFERENCE to not reveal our mail filter settings. I am under no obligation to check off anything in the questionaires, or to enter anything in the descriptive part of the profile, or to check off any of the "actively seeking" checkboxes, so why should I be obligated to tell you how I filter MY mail. The rebuttal to your whole point IS that it is my business, and mine alone, how I set my email filters. That's all there is to it....it really doesn't matter how inconvenient it may make things for you, me, or anybody else. Oh but you "ARE" SO WRONG!!!! You are REQUIRED, and in fact have NO choice but to check off certain preferences! You are "FORCED" to list certain preferences like it or not!!! Just to get on this site; you are required to choose if you are a dom! you are required to choose a location! you are required to choose your race! you are required to choose your sex! you are required to choose if you are bi! etc etc these are ALL preferences including the initial ones you are forced to put in like it or not. i am sure many women would prefer not to list their age, but it is FORCED! i provided you with a legitimate case in point. feel free to provide one in return to counter. if we were in front of a qualified judge right now who would be willing to waste his time to preside over this, your case and others so far you would be to stand in front of him and say: its my preference judge! i dont give a damn! i have no obligation! its none of their business! Problem for you is that, i can make all the same claims you have as my supporting arguments too. i also can say: its my preference judge! i dont give a damn! i have no obligation! its none of their business! HOWEVER: additionally i can add: it costs me extra time judge and it changes "nothing" for them in cost of operation or time. Now you may not recognize that seemingly subtle point but a judge would! so on that note we are "even" and with that little "cost" addition the scales are already tipping in my direction. Then on top of that you still have my case in point hanging over your head to deal with which you or anyone else has yet to even address much less invalidate. The results of a proceed should be pretty obvious to you. Of course i am going to reject comments at this point we are nonconsequential at this point! Where we are right now is: you need to make your case that it should be private! make a better case and i will step down. You dont make a case with: its my preference judge! i dont give a damn! i have no obligation! its none of their business! Making claims i can make right back at you is not a case. thats nothing more than a pissing contest and no judge would consider it. it seems its you who is refusing to see it ar. no legitimate and qualified judge would accept your "i feel like it" as a valid rebuttal, over my case in point. If you wish to be the final word that my argument "has been rebutted" and there are no further rebuttals in fact presented to invalidate mine then it stands. sorry

LaMalinche -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 2:57:55 PM)
You tell him, Ma'am. Hands MoGa a glass of congac. Best, LaMalinche (waiting for the fur to start flying)

Real0ne -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 3:00:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa Oh my fucking gawwwd. Will you never shut up? DO THIS: Go learn HTML, create your own community, call it something like qyb.com (Quit Your Bitching) and do all the arranging of the furniture you want to. But so long as you are in THIS house and it has opened it's doors for you to VISIT, then get your feet off the coffee table and stop complaining about the toilet that you have to jiggle the freakin handle to make stop running! You have alot of nerve coming to a FREE site and bitching about how it is run. I have basically ignored you, but Jesus you are on every thread, bitching about something or another. Yes I have the option of putting you on ignore, but then I cant figure out what the others are talking about when they are saying the same thing I am saying now. Is your life so empty that you have NOTHING better to do but to sit here and bitch about shit you dont have control over? IT IS A FREE SITE man, get it? NO ADS here. NO POP-UPS. NOTHING. Go to alt.com and bitch about how you cant even check your stupid email without pop ups all over the place, and you PAY for that freaking site. Gawwwd..<looks around for a stiff drink> Um i know html, turbo c++, basic, pascal, several machine languages, some java, and other assorted specialty languages. nah there are other sites that are free that are better than alt ;) and yes i have made suggestions on them as well and no the reception to them was nothing like it is here. Last i checked this is a debate. Last i checked i am the OP therefore this is my thread. If you have a problem with that feel free NOT to read it. It is those of you who cannot see the forest despite your face that turn what is intended to be a very short versed constructive critisism into a 50 page bitch session. My bitch is about people who lump others concerns into their i dont give a shit basket!

Real0ne -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 3:02:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelGA how long is this gonna continue? only the Shadow knows...LOL enough for one day my fingers are sore! LOL

IrishMist -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 3:07:00 PM)
MistressOfGa...I am very impressed [8D] Yes, round and round and round we go. Obviously RealOne feels he has a valid point, and yet, I see nothing in his posts to validate such a thing ever happening. He fails to look beyond his own pitiful whining to the fact that A) this is a FREE SITE. YOU are putting NO MONEY into its upkeep and running, so therefore, YOU HAVE NO SAY in how it is run or programmed to run. B) YOU ARE NOT part of the ADMIN team, so therefore, you have no say in how this FREE site is run, or in how it should be programmed to run. C) because this is a free site, you have the right to make suggestions, but nothing else. If your suggestions go unheeded, then you should realize that they are unrealistic to the majority. D) this forum and site is NOT A DEMOCRACY. It has its rulers, and it has its governors...they were not chosen by us, they were chosen by the people who actually PUT THEIR TIME AND EFFORT into this site...and for what...to listen to people like you tell them that they are doing a shity job. I have absolutly no doubt in my mind that if your complaint was looked at, the pros and cons weighed and discussed, and then a decision made. One of the reasons that I like this site so much is the fact that it is free, the forums are excellent, the people here are wonderful ( even those whom I disagree with and bicker with daily ), and EVERYONE is treated fairly.

MistressOfGa -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 3:10:19 PM)
quote: It is those of you who cannot see the forest despite your face that turn what is intended to be a very short versed constructive critisism into a 50 page bitch session. That's the problem. All threads that you start or get involved with turn into bitch-fests because you are the one bitching the loudest. The rest are telling you to shut up, take your toys home and come back when you have had your little pebbles cereal, the sun is shining and you are in a better disposition. Or a blow job, whichever comes first <s> Thanks LaMalinche, cheers to you :)

michaelGA -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 3:11:12 PM)
you claim to know all that stuff, yet you come here to bitch and moan about how this FREE site is run. i might add, it's not run by you or me or anyone, but the Moderators of this site. as everyone here has already tried to express, go create your own site and run it like you have stated here and then pray someone will come there and join. i can't speak for anyone else here, but i, for one, will not be one of them that would join your site. there's too many "privacy" issues involved (by this, i mean, there won't BE any) i know that i have expressed my share of whines and complaints here, but, unlike you, i have dropped many of them and not continues this constant bickering.

IrishMist -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 3:13:17 PM)
<Hugs Michael > You are just too sweet [:D]

MistressOfGa -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 3:15:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist MistressOfGa...I am very impressed [8D] Yes, round and round and round we go. Obviously RealOne feels he has a valid point, and yet, I see nothing in his posts to validate such a thing ever happening. He fails to look beyond his own pitiful whining to the fact that A) this is a FREE SITE. YOU are putting NO MONEY into its upkeep and running, so therefore, YOU HAVE NO SAY in how it is run or programmed to run. B) YOU ARE NOT part of the ADMIN team, so therefore, you have no say in how this FREE site is run, or in how it should be programmed to run. C) because this is a free site, you have the right to make suggestions, but nothing else. If your suggestions go unheeded, then you should realize that they are unrealistic to the majority. D) this forum and site is NOT A DEMOCRACY. It has its rulers, and it has its governors...they were not chosen by us, they were chosen by the people who actually PUT THEIR TIME AND EFFORT into this site...and for what...to listen to people like you tell them that they are doing a shity job. I have absolutly no doubt in my mind that if your complaint was looked at, the pros and cons weighed and discussed, and then a decision made. One of the reasons that I like this site so much is the fact that it is free, the forums are excellent, the people here are wonderful ( even those whom I disagree with and bicker with daily ), and EVERYONE is treated fairly. As I am equally impressed with your post Irish <s> <cheers>

michaelGA -> RE: Many Emails Never Get Read!!!! Here is why! (2/17/2006 3:17:14 PM)
if it were a Democracy and we all had a vote in this matter, i'm sure someone (not naming names and not meaning You, Ma'am) would be voted off the island...LOL "You ARE the weakest link...goodbye" LOL

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