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Termyn8or -> RE: Fasting (9/6/2011 1:11:18 AM)

Where did you hear this ? Have you never heard of people losing weight ? Don't eat and your body eats your heart ? Or your heart can't beat ? And your brain just shrivels up ? I'm sorry to say this because we have never had any problems, but wherever you found all this out, stay the fuck away from there. Burn the place down or something.

You can easily live a month without food. People have been stranded on desert islands, some have taken to eating bark off of trees, some ate bugs. They didn't start doing this shit because dinner was fifteen minutes late. Soldiers in WW2 sometimes had to go a week without food, and still had to perform, shooting people, moving around and shit like that.

Maybe I am not normal, but then I guess I'd have to say the same for most of my crowd. Three days without food means nothing to us. Going past that, well then you need purpose, but I mean back in the druggy days we would just not remember to eat for three days. Not even be hungry, and not be all tired or anything either. Ready to rock n roll or even rumble. Not a problem. From where came the energy ?

Is this what most people think now, that it is like DANGEROUS not to eat all the time ? My curiousity is piqued here.

T^T




tazzygirl -> RE: Fasting (9/6/2011 1:38:17 AM)

First, I never said it happened over night. Maybe a biology class is what you should be looking in too. Or a nutrition one.

The condition of not eating is called anorexia. In anorexia, the person does not want to eat for fear of becoming fat. But the result is the same. No nurtitional intake at all... though someone with anorexia may take in as little as 600 calories a day.... a fasting water-only diet indicates no caloric intake at all.

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You can easily live a month without food. People have been stranded on desert islands, some have taken to eating bark off of trees, some ate bugs.


What you speak of is malnutrition, not starvation. The people from your quote are still getting in some calories. Someone on a 40 day water-only fast is taking in none. Even the photos of the emaciated children with the bloated stomachs are suffering from severe malnutrition.... starvation is different.

Dieting, especially extreme food-intake reduction and rapid weight loss, can have the following side effects and consequences:

Subsequent weight re-gain
Lowered metabolism, causing future attempts at weight loss to become more difficult, and making weight gain easier
Muscle atrophy
Risk of developing Eating Disorders, especially Anorexia Nervosa or Bulimia Nervosa, even if initial intentions of dieting were health-wise
Prolonged hunger
Depression
Reduced sex drive
Fatigue
Irritability
Fainting
Sinus problems (especially post-nasal drip)
Rashes
Acidosis
Bloodshot eyes
Gallbladder disease
Seizures
Malnutrition, possibly leading to death
Constipation, due to lack of food-intake
Dehydration, due to lack of fluid-intake

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation_diet#Dangers_of_fasting

A person with anorexia nervosa may exhibit a number of signs and symptoms, some of which are listed below. The type and severity vary in each case and may be present but not readily apparent. Anorexia nervosa and the associated malnutrition that results from self-imposed starvation, can cause severe complications in every major organ system in the body.[15][16][17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorexia_Nervosa

Conclusions— The adolescent girls with anorexia nervosa had significant structural and functional cardiac abnormalities in comparison to the control group.All these abnormalities were reversible except low R wave amplitude in V6.

http://poj.peeters-leuven.be/content.php?url=article&id=2005139

After several days of fasting, all cells in the body begin to break down protein. This releases amino acids into the bloodstream, which can be converted into glucose by the liver. Since much of our muscle mass is protein, this phenomenon is responsible for the wasting away of muscle mass seen in starvation.

However, the body is able to selectively decide which cells will break down protein and which will not. About 2–3 g of protein has to be broken down to synthesise 1 g of glucose; about 20–30 g of protein is broken down each day to make 10 g of glucose to keep the brain alive. However, this number may decrease the longer the fasting period is continued in order to conserve protein.

Starvation ensues when the fat reserves are completely exhausted and protein is the only fuel source available to the body. Thus, after periods of starvation, the loss of body protein affects the function of important organs, and death results, even if there are still fat reserves left unused. (In a leaner person, the fat reserves are depleted earlier, the protein depletion occurs sooner, and therefore death occurs sooner.)

The ultimate cause of death is, in general, cardiac arrhythmia or cardiac arrest brought on by tissue degradation and electrolyte imbalances.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation_response

Simply put.... my imformation is based upon science and research... not something I pulled out of thin air.

Now, if you want to argue science, lets go for it. These were but simplistic exampled. I can get quite indepth and provide loads of research which indicate what I stated to be correct.




Termyn8or -> RE: Fasting (9/6/2011 1:53:20 AM)

So the guy who posted that he fasted for forty days is either lying, insane or dead.

Wiki says so. Ummm, should I buy margarine or butter this week ?

Oh, and whilt we're at it, I guess that if I reduce my intake, all my protein will disolve, RIGHT FROM UNDER MY FAT.

T^T




tazzygirl -> RE: Fasting (9/6/2011 2:06:45 AM)

Nope, read again, fat first, though not all may go. Its also is based upon your physical condition at the time you start the fast and how long you maintain that fast.

And no one is talking abotu reduced intake... we are speaking of NO intake.

Dr. Fuhrman, who treats chronic medical conditions with therapeutic water fasting, generally recommends fasts from 14 to 21 days (with professional supervision), and on occasion recommends 28 days.

The nutritional reserves of an individual play an important role in how long one can fast, and individuals of normal weight generally shouldn't water fast longer than three weeks or as Fuhrman states, they "can become so thin that they have a long road back regaining their strength".


This from one of the premier Physicians who endorses prolonged fasting. You figure it out.




DeviantlyD -> RE: Fasting (9/6/2011 2:20:42 AM)

With the direction this thread has taken, all I have to say is WHO CARES????? I farted yesterday. Does that mean someone is going to throw me a parade? I don't think so. And I don't think anyone gives a flip about this thread.




tazzygirl -> RE: Fasting (9/6/2011 2:27:05 AM)

Then why are you posting to it?

Personally, and I cant speak for T... I dont care if you dont care.

Glad you farted.. maybe your attempt at snark has something to do with that.




DeviantlyD -> RE: Fasting (9/6/2011 3:18:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Glad you farted.. maybe your attempt at snark has something to do with that.


Is that what happens when you fart? :D




tazzygirl -> RE: Fasting (9/6/2011 3:21:06 AM)

LOL

You want a biological explanation for that??????




DeviantlyD -> RE: Fasting (9/6/2011 3:26:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

LOL

You want a biological explanation for that??????


*rereads my post*

Uhm...huh? You attributed what you felt was a behaviour on my part when I fart, and when I asked if you exhibited that behaviour when you fart, you came up with this question?

Okay. *shrugs*

Have a good one. :)




tazzygirl -> RE: Fasting (9/6/2011 3:36:32 AM)

Sweetcheeks, T and I were discussing the biological effects of a starvation diet. You jumped in with your fart analogy.

You figure it out. [8|]

But, in all honesty, since you didnt get the hint....

Increased gas is a symptom of constipation.

I connected the dots for ya. [;)]




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