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Sissy maids? - 5/27/2009 7:32:43 PM

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I realize some here are into this, but I'm not, and I have a question for everyone.

Whenever I see a man dressed in drag, especially something really outrageous, while he proclaims in his profile that he is a 'sissy maid', it gets my back up. Am I the only one who finds it disrespectful to women? To me, these men are saying that they think women act like this, dress like this, and act completely air-headish like this (no offense to the smart boys). Not only can I not take them seriously when they're showing off their new nightie with their hairy beast legs sticking out from under the lace, but as a woman who has cleaned houses for a living and enjoys cleaning my own house from time to time, I feel like they're portraying women as brainless twits. (and don't get me started on the ones who want to prance around in hose and nothing else while they push dirt around and ask "Will you punish me while I dust?")

Disclaimer - this is my own opinion, and I'm asking the question to find out if I'm the only one bothered by this. If you're into it, I don't really care, and if you're on the forum, you're most likely not one of those men who prance around in hose and generally act stupid.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/27/2009 7:37:44 PM

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Sissy maids are a whole other world. I am going to be up front here and say that I have met some DAMN fine sissy maids (Michelle in Naples, clone yourself!!) and a good one is really a great servant. I have been to maid parties where we were served politely by men in maid's uniforms, no prancing no dancing.

There are also lots of guys who are just showing off. I have zero patience with them.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/27/2009 7:39:33 PM

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Sissy maids are a whole other world. I am going to be up front here and say that I have met some DAMN fine sissy maids (Michelle in Naples, clone yourself!!) and a good one is really a great servant. I have been to maid parties where we were served politely by men in maid's uniforms, no prancing no dancing.

There are also lots of guys who are just showing off. I have zero patience with them.

I've never met one worth anything much, so maybe I'm a bit jaded. I have met a submissive who enjoyed house cleaning but was not into cross dressing at all. It was alright with me, since he looked real good in shorts and nothing else.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/27/2009 9:24:12 PM

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I tend to view it as drag to the nth degree. Some men who dress in drag pull it off well...the majority are simply mugging and, as you pointed out, tossing around some odd views of femininity.
I've occasionally found a drag-based idea sexy. My days of venerating androgyny and drooling over androgynous boys ended in my early 20's. I like masculine men. I'm not a turbo chickey female, so I think if I had a male swishing around and speaking in a high-pitched voice and being high-maintenance, I think I'd want to clothesline him! :>
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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 9:51:17 AM

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So...as a femme boy...I have to say that the whole sissy maid thing is attractive to me. But only for an evening or a day, and I wouldn't get all prissy or blushy or go all "vapors" over it.

Like most of my kind, the opportunity to dress in some frillies and perform in a role a bit would be great...but I would want to be there in -service- to my Lady or someone I was directed to serve by my Lady. When I am dressed en'femme, there is not a terribly noticeable change in my personality or mannerisms from when I am dressed en'butch. I am me..just softer.

So yea, would be great! But I expect to work and I understand that my clothing, while important to me, is about as important as the tablecloth to the event.

I think a lot of boys tend to think that the whole sissy maid thing is like being in an old Adam Ant video** ..and it ain't necessarily so...

**(go ahead...youtube them...you know you want to...they are great!) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L6t3MjZ6gM&feature=related

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 9:57:00 AM

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So...as a femme boy...I have to say that the whole sissy maid thing is attractive to me. But only for an evening or a day, and I wouldn't get all prissy or blushy or go all "vapors" over it.

Like most of my kind, the opportunity to dress in some frillies and perform in a role a bit would be great...but I would want to be there in -service- to my Lady or someone I was directed to serve by my Lady. When I am dressed en'femme, there is not a terribly noticeable change in my personality or mannerisms from when I am dressed en'butch. I am me..just softer.

So yea, would be great! But I expect to work and I understand that my clothing, while important to me, is about as important as the tablecloth to the event.

I think a lot of boys tend to think that the whole sissy maid thing is like being in an old Adam Ant video** ..and it ain't necessarily so...

**(go ahead...youtube them...you know you want to...they are great!)

Jeez, I WISH more sissy maids looked like Adam Ant, a la "Prince Charming." HOT!!
My original fascination and fetish for making guys dress feminine came from that music movement. I was a teenager when new wave/new romantic music had men wearing make up, stockings and feminine clothes. My lust for seeing men put into stockings and makeup started right there. I turned lots of "jocks" into 'closet sissies' for amusement and they looked hot, despite feeling absolutely self conscious and humiliated about it, and that was the golden mixture.
But the self indulgent, "look at me!" sissy (completel with over-the-top lisp and/or body language) is another story and more of an attitude I try to adjust, or just avoid. I like feminization and "sissification" to be done for me, not vice versa. I think embarrassment and discomfort are the key things for me, and that probably is directly related to the fact that my early femdom years were packed with experiences where I 'femmed' a guy and he was really uncomfortable about it but did it anyway, and then I ooh'd and ahh'd over him and made him feel even more self concscious.

And once again - Adam Ant - HOT.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 5:25:04 PM

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Am I the only one who finds it disrespectful to women? To me, these men are saying that they think women act like this, dress like this, and act completely air-headish like this (no offense to the smart boys).

I don't find it at all disrespectful to women. Most of the sissy-maid fellows I've met aren't trying to emulate women, they're trying to serve women. They're not really behaving any differently than some servile femsubs do.

quote:

Disclaimer - this is my own opinion, and I'm asking the question to find out if I'm the only one bothered by this. If you're into it, I don't really care, and if you're on the forum, you're most likely not one of those men who prance around in hose and generally act stupid.

I'm sure you're not the only person who feels this way. I'm also sure that there are people who feel very differently. I think that the mistake that you're making is in taking the behavior of these fellows personally. What they're doing is all about what turns their crank. If it doesn't turn your crank that's certainly okay, but that doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with them.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 6:21:43 PM

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I don't find it at all disrespectful to women. Most of the sissy-maid fellows I've met aren't trying to emulate women, they're trying to serve women. They're not really behaving any differently than some servile femsubs do.

That raises quite an interesting point. Why, exactly, is it 'worse' for male subs to dress and act like 'sissies' than femsubs?

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 6:25:26 PM

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And once again - Adam Ant - HOT.

No, no, no! Mr Ant helped spawn the "new romantic movement". His like should never be seen again. The new romantics: Gone, and best forgotten.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 6:59:56 PM

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And once again - Adam Ant - HOT.

No, no, no! Mr Ant helped spawn the "new romantic movement". His like should never be seen again. The new romantics: Gone, and best forgotten.

You're gonna burn in hell for that P...you know that don't you? You should not say such things so firmly, as you are likely to be smited, oh yes...smited my friend...

*moves to a safe distance and waits for smiting to begin*

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 7:02:52 PM

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And once again - Adam Ant - HOT.

No, no, no! Mr Ant helped spawn the "new romantic movement". His like should never be seen again. The new romantics: Gone, and best forgotten.

Roxy Music was part of the New Romantics, Bowie to a degree, it spawned the whole Goth scene, not everything about it was bad...

Though Adam Ant was somebody I discovered much after his time, I have to admit my experience with the New Romantics is mainly tracing back, but Sisters of Mercy possibly wouldn't have been around without the New Romantics, First And Last And Always, one of the first albums I bought and how I cherished that (giving away my age shamelessly), I had the vinyl version of that, I'm a dinosaur!

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 7:10:27 PM

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I like sissy maids personally. While it isn't my cup of tea, they add another variety to the shelf which is always interesting. Sure some are self-absorbed in their own fetish, but doesn't that happen across the board anyway? My only personal beef is this- if you want to be a male maid, please, please stop working out so much. Maid is okay, but over-built frauline is pushing us all (perhaps by all I mean just me).

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 7:53:12 PM

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I don't find it at all disrespectful to women. Most of the sissy-maid fellows I've met aren't trying to emulate women, they're trying to serve women. They're not really behaving any differently than some servile femsubs do.

That raises quite an interesting point. Why, exactly, is it 'worse' for male subs to dress and act like 'sissies' than femsubs?

If the quote the Peon referenced is the case, perhaps the very visual minority is definiting the majority. I would think that this, then, would be saying that most people behaving submissively behave similarly? I am not sure I agree with that, just checking the assertion.
In answer to Peon's question:
Nothing that I'm only offering my opinion, not responding for all.
I've never heard a female sub try to conceptualize herself as a sissy relevant to her service to or for someone. I would find that annoying, too. I like strength, be it quiet or loud, masculine or feminine, a blend of both, whatever. Sissification tracks to me as quite the antithesis.
For that reason, I find the idea of a sissified male serving me greatly distressing. I like men who are standardly masculine (Yes, I know that could get into all sorts of distinctions) but who are also emotionally available and attentive (Not that I am saying that is non-male, just citing as important points). Having a sissy around me would make me feel like I needed to be the protector or, worse yet, that I had someone who was a frilly prey-item rather than being a protector, which is something that I appreciate about the male stature and power (Regardless of side of the kneel). As for the contemplation in private, a quiet, powerful presence as Otter described, cool. Someone high maintenance, high-pitched, etc., I return to my prey-item thought-process and the assertion that I'd likely want to clothesline them.
Davan
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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 8:43:50 PM

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I don't find it at all disrespectful to women. Most of the sissy-maid fellows I've met aren't trying to emulate women, they're trying to serve women. They're not really behaving any differently than some servile femsubs do. [My emphasis.]

That raises quite an interesting point. Why, exactly, is it 'worse' for male subs to dress and act like 'sissies' than femsubs?

It's worse for males to behave this way because men are supposed to be manly, don'cha' know. The first rule of being a man is, "Don't be a woman." The female is polluting, and any man who lets it too near him has cooties.

Dialing down the sarcasm, though--and as a connoisseur of the feminized male--I have to admit that it is in fact true that "feminized" males often are caricatures of women. These men seem to me to be fetishizing women as they experience them and not necessarily as women actually are; and there is an undercurrent of misogyny in much of their behavior.

However, there is an undercurrent of misogyny just about everywhere, no? It's in the air we breathe, and we're pretty much stuck with it. Playing erotically with this unfortunate aspect of reality does not seem to me to harm anyone or to worsen conditions in the actual world where we live and function. Admittedly, it is politically incorrect, and it annoys the living shit out of some people. As far as I'm concerned, that's all to the good.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 8:56:53 PM

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There's lots of different types of sissies. They all do it for different reasons. Here's some examples of the kind we've heard from and some types we train-

-Wants to be a sub female.
-Wants to be a lesbian.
-Wants to serve lesbians.
-Wants to serve couples and be used by the man.
-Wants to be "forced" to have sex with men.
-Respects women, doesn't want to be a woman, but likes to serve women.
-Wants to be a woman, wishes was born a woman.
-Wants to be emasculated.
-Likes being feminized.
-Aroused by lingerie, feels closer to women by wearing women's lingerie.
-Likes to serve women by cooking and cleaning.
-Wants to be a slave husband.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/28/2009 9:26:32 PM

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Why, exactly, is it 'worse' for male subs to dress and act like 'sissies' than femsubs?

What's a patriarchy without constant, anxious monitoring of masculinity?

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/29/2009 12:29:31 AM

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Well to each there own as they say

If it is not your thing it is not your thing.

I dress the way the person I serve desires me to. When I have served as a maid, the Mistress had me dress in that fashion so she and her friends could heckle me as I worked. They got great enjoyment out of teasing me while I cleaned and cooked.

How is that different than a Dom having his female sub dress the way he desires and act the way he desires?

I have gone out in public with a Mistress dressed in drag (she made me very passable) to everything from seeing live theater to having drinks at a local bar. Granted I was dressed in clothing for the occasion, and not as some CD slut in fishnet stockings and heels.

It sounds to me that this is not your thing. So be it.

When I'm dressed I don's see it as an offense to women in general, nor do I think people acting out a certain behavior speaks is a critique of others. It's a fetish and for some dressing is a way of releasing a part of themselves.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/29/2009 6:49:32 AM

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These men seem to me to be fetishizing women as they experience them and not necessarily as women actually are; and there is an undercurrent of misogyny in much of their behavior.

THIS is what's been nagging me! I read the rest of your post, but the 'sissy' men I've been exposed to have all made me feel as if they expect me to act like a complete bimbo airhead because that's what they do when they're acting fem. Something like "This is how women act, so I'm going to act like this." Regardless of their desires or kink, it just rankles me that there's disrespect while they proclaim that they want to serve. (It may have something to do with the fact that they won't leave me alone, either)

Men who think women are 'stupid females' and 'this is how they act, right?' really rankle me, and it's the majority I see on this website and others.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/29/2009 7:04:03 AM

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I have to admit that it is in fact true that "feminized" males often are caricatures of women. These men seem to me to be fetishizing women as they experience them and not necessarily as women actually are; and there is an undercurrent of misogyny in much of their behavior.

I don't know any femsubs, so it's impossible for me to say. Don't they sometimes look and act like caricatures of certain sorts of (subservient) women?

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/29/2009 8:00:16 AM

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These men seem to me to be fetishizing women as they experience them and not necessarily as women actually are; and there is an undercurrent of misogyny in much of their behavior.

THIS is what's been nagging me! I read the rest of your post, but the 'sissy' men I've been exposed to have all made me feel as if they expect me to act like a complete bimbo airhead because that's what they do when they're acting fem. Something like "This is how women act, so I'm going to act like this." Regardless of their desires or kink, it just rankles me that there's disrespect while they proclaim that they want to serve. (It may have something to do with the fact that they won't leave me alone, either)

Men who think women are 'stupid females' and 'this is how they act, right?' really rankle me, and it's the majority I see on this website and others.

So...at a large event in Denver, I watched a male submissive approach Madame Midori. He got onto his knees about 15 feet away from her, declared his unworthyness, and asked permission to approach her. When she gave her permission, he crawled up to her and kissed her feet. His conversation was sprinkled with his own demeaning of himself. It was clear that he had drunk the kool aide on the whole female supremacy thing. It was creepy. His behavior was completely in opposition to all of the other male submissives I had met previously who seemed strong, confident, and driven to serve - I saw his behavior as a charicature (sp?) of what I knew male submission to be for me. Creeped me out completely.

I am wondering if that is how you are viewing sissy subs? Have you just had experiences with the one or two sissies that seem so out of place with your concept of the whole thing that it creeps you out? I dunno...maybe a sissy that wasn't mincing around, and who acted competitent and was driven to serve would be the one in opposition to the rest...

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