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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/29/2009 8:56:21 AM

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I do not enjoy dressing as a sissy maid when I clean for a woman. I do it if they tell me to do it.. Some like it andsome do not..

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/29/2009 12:43:26 PM

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I think if he were a good silent attentive servant during a meal, it wouldn't much matter whether he was en homme or en femme to me.

But I believe in -cleaning- in a t-shirt and comfortable jeans and sturdy shoes, and don't have time for lace and delicacy when I have furniture to move and baseboards to scrub, and anyone who can't get with the program doesn't get to play with me.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/29/2009 8:16:47 PM

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I don't know any femsubs, so it's impossible for me to say. Don't they sometimes look and act like caricatures of certain sorts of (subservient) women?

Well, I know some femsubs, and yes, they sometimes do act just so. In fact, from a certain perspective, the very idea of a femsub is a caricature of women. But, again, it's permissible for women to act like "women." It's not permissible for men to do so. You knew that.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/29/2009 8:23:26 PM

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THIS is what's been nagging me! I read the rest of your post, but the 'sissy' men I've been exposed to have all made me feel as if they expect me to act like a complete bimbo airhead because that's what they do when they're acting fem. Something like "This is how women act, so I'm going to act like this." Regardless of their desires or kink, it just rankles me that there's disrespect while they proclaim that they want to serve. (It may have something to do with the fact that they won't leave me alone, either)

Agreed. Importunate guysubs are annoying, regardless of which kink they're going on about. Unless, of course, it's a kink I share, in which case I'm afraid that I'm apt to encourage them.

Men who think women are 'stupid females' and 'this is how they act, right?' really rankle me, and it's the majority I see on this website and others.

As MmeGigs has pointed out so aptly upthread, you are most certainly within your rights to be rankled. For what it's worth, this behavior annoys me as well. I have a sissy of my own, and when he gets too silly I just smack him upside the head or stand him in the corner. YMMV.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/30/2009 9:45:32 PM

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I love my sissy sluts!
They are my favorite callers!
They are respectful, sweet and fun!

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 7:04:22 AM

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There are quite a few of those reasons that apply to me...i would say wanting to be emasculated is the main reason i seek this...i do enjoy being feminized if that's what the woman really wants to do...and if serving her means serving a male sexually, i'm good with that too...though it's not something i enjoy if the impetus isn't started by the Domme.

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There's lots of different types of sissies. They all do it for different reasons. Here's some examples of the kind we've heard from and some types we train-

-Wants to be a sub female.
-Wants to be a lesbian.
-Wants to serve lesbians.
-Wants to serve couples and be used by the man.
-Wants to be "forced" to have sex with men.
-Respects women, doesn't want to be a woman, but likes to serve women.
-Wants to be a woman, wishes was born a woman.
-Wants to be emasculated.
-Likes being feminized.
-Aroused by lingerie, feels closer to women by wearing women's lingerie.
-Likes to serve women by cooking and cleaning.
-Wants to be a slave husband.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 8:45:53 AM

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Reigna:

But, again, it's permissible for women to act like "women." It's not permissible for men to do so. You knew that.

It seems to be more than permissible if a woman's dictating the feminine look and demeanour of her man. A few times with past partners they've applied make-up to my face and put me in a girl's wig, then got all hot and sweaty with the effect.

I've had my theories, natch. But I've never asked. I do, on rare occasions, know when it's a good time to just shut up and go with the flow.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 9:14:11 AM

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It [a male person acting like a "woman"] seems to be more than permissible if a woman's dictating the feminine look and demeanour of her man. A few times with past partners they've applied make-up to my face and put me in a girl's wig, then got all hot and sweaty with the effect.

I've had my theories, natch. But I've never asked. I do, on rare occasions, know when it's a good time to just shut up and go with the flow.

Oh, do share.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 9:16:33 AM

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Oh come on, Reigna, do me a favour. You'd have a better idea than I would!

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 10:22:08 AM

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Oh come on, Reigna, do me a favour. You'd have a better idea than I would!

I do have an idea--a number of ideas, in fact, and pretty good ones. Hard to say if they're better than yours!

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 10:47:25 AM

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At a recent regional event I attended there was a group of sissies volunteering. They were great. They cleared tables and ashtrays, kept coffee made and did all kinds of small services for the comfort of others. They were in their element and so happy to serve. I got to talk with some of them several times throughout the weekend and it was quite a learning experience. Absolutely wonderful.

Edited to add: None of the sissies at the event tried to use an effected feminine voice, they talked in their normal voices. They dressed in their sissy outfits and introduced themselves with feminine names and served beautifully.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 11:18:14 AM

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OP..
sissy...from sister...man acting as a sister

What happens for you is a personal response due to personal experience..and the word sissy and hairy legged men in a skirt trigger off feelings from a job you did well and with pride..as well as seeing it as the sissies seeing us women as brainless..tit nerds..
It is similar to how I feel when I see constant cock worship in male DOM -female sub films..due to my own experiences...

It does not mean it is right or wrong or.or I am right or wrong in my thinking just is..
.it is about to each his own and the reasons are sissy stuff are as varied as the ppl.

We try to think things thru as to why we feel certain ways and that is good..we are then taking a look at our own process..
but in the end we leave each to their own process as well.

Personally I never dress a man for humilation...or go along with a man wanting to dress FOR humilition.

DUE to spiritual paths I have studied and fascination with yin-yang..inner woman and man..chakra energies..twin spirits and more I LOVE to be with a man who wishes to cross dress and more to explore his feminine nature.and all parts of himself.

IT is a profound journey to accompany a man in his feminization for reasons of
his inner woman..and Goddess/.feminine arcehtypes if you will.

I explained in another thread about PLATOS "Symposium"
reference to OMNIPODS...
and a theory/myth that we were orginally a rounded 2 headed m-f being..

Zeus in his anger was persuaded to severe the omnipod in half and
we forever seek our other half..in different ways from soul mate to..dressing..etc..and perhaps even deep down yes even as a sissy maid...but not quite knowing where is comes from

and as well perhaps I love this idea because I was dressed as a boy for the first 5 years of my life and treated like one..I was devastated to find I was not one
.........again personal experience = personal response..

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 4:21:40 PM

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I've never seen them that way. I never felt like a sissy maid was trying to imitate women as he saw them. Instead, they are getting in touch with their own feminine side. I was never offended by it. In fact, I find them quite interesting and would love to have one of my own!

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 4:32:05 PM

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C G Jung was always keen to point out that a man's 'feminine side' shouldn't be compared to what women actually are. Two separate things.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 5:03:06 PM

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Dressing up as a sissy hold no interest for me. That said, i have often wondered how I would react if asked to do so. Does the desire to please one`s Mistress make us more adventurous ? And if yes, to what degree ?

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RE: Sissy maids? - 5/31/2009 7:59:14 PM

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Dressing up as a sissy hold no interest for me. That said, i have often wondered how I would react if asked to do so. Does the desire to please one`s Mistress make us more adventurous ? And if yes, to what degree ?

I'm sure you'd know the answer if you felt in your gut that it would damage you some how. If it's something you couldn't care less about, it might not be that big of a deal to you if ever asked.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 6/1/2009 2:11:59 AM

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Dressing up as a sissy hold no interest for me. That said, i have often wondered how I would react if asked to do so. Does the desire to please one`s Mistress make us more adventurous ? And if yes, to what degree ?

I'm sure you'd know the answer if you felt in your gut that it would damage you some how. If it's something you couldn't care less about, it might not be that big of a deal to you if ever asked.

I agree, I had a similar debate with Lady H regarding limits. Much of what she said me me rethink my eagerness to please. This is why I love this place, thoughts and feelings about what to do, or not to do, are constantly being challenged.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 6/1/2009 12:18:40 PM

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C G Jung was always keen to point out that a man's 'feminine side' shouldn't be compared to what women actually are. Two separate things.

Indeed.

Which more or less suggests that "femininity" isn't the sole province of women. Which in turn suggests that perhaps "masculinity" isn't the sole province of men. But I suspect that a lot of people understand, if somewhat vaguely, that "masculinity" and "femininity" are, by and large, social constructs.

As to Jung, he's fabulous for general ideas such as the one you cite here. To get a bit more specific, I go for Klein, Winnicott, Fairbairn, and Bion. To really get down to cases, I like Stoller and Limentani (with apologies to anyone who may have encountered the latter at the Portman Clinic).

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RE: Sissy maids? - 6/2/2009 10:08:06 AM

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Reigina,

I like your reference to Robert Stoller and his research on gender, more specifically femininity and it's manifestation in males.

That's a fairly obscure area of research. May I ask how you came to know about it?
Stoller was interesting to me because of how he used a classic psychoanalytic framework as a basis for the construction of gender (and here I am refering to the elements of psychoanalysis derived from Freud).

He believed that males existed in a proto-feminine state from birth, but during early development ( age 3 to 5 years) we were taught (and created) a masculine identity that required seperation from the mother (psychicly) and positive identification with the father/male.
Too intense a bond with the mother, or threatening behavior from the father disturbed that "normal" development.

What was really interesting to me was his (and Freud's) idea of "perversion" (not the same sense as when we say "you pervert!").
Perversion to Freud was similar to (but opposite of) neurosis.
A neurosis developed from a failure to integrate psychosexual conflict into a healthy/integrated personality, creating anxiety.
Perversion was also a failure of integration of pyschosexual conflict, but here the person identifies with the object (person) causing the conflict. A person who grew up with a seductive and violent parent would be drawn to sexual scenarios involving violence or the threat of violence.

I don't subscribe to the psychoanalytic view of development, but I enjoyed learning about the theories when I was in college and grad school.

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RE: Sissy maids? - 6/2/2009 10:58:28 AM

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I did quite a lot on Jung a long while ago, some on the first wave of psychoanalysts generally and a bit on Melanie Klein. But I can't say psychology's my department. I picked up enough, shall we say, for my own purposes at the time. I certainly got far enough to accept that femininity isn't the sole province of women nor masculinity the sole province of men, though.

A friend of mine quipped, recently, "If I could contact my feminine side, I'd shag it". I thought, 'Well, that's exactly what a man does when he has a wank'. He gets an external stimulus, connects it to a bunch of internal psychic impulses - and then gets energetic with his preferred hand. The essential point for me is that the erotic aspect of a man's feminine side is a mishmash of what's 'out there', in the shape of real-life women (and what he knows of them), and a bundle of other things deriving from his own drives and impulses - many of which will be deep, dark and quite irrational.

The upshot of that view is that there can't be any easy correlation between, say, the way a male crossdresser looks and acts and the way real women look and act. I'd be very guarded about making social or political comments about crossdressers' supposed underlying attitudes as a result.

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