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I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/30/2009 11:36:47 PM   
newlychaste


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I'm curious--what does a dominant woman look for when viewing the profile of a submissive man?  Consider tone, length, content--how much is too much?  Nobody wants to read a book about someone they may or may be not interested in meeting; is it appropriate to be assertive about what you want? 

Do dominant women even browse mens' profiles?  If so, what are you looking for?

Don't everyone look at my profile, but I feel as though mine is pretty comprehensive, concise, and relevant.  I just don't get many hits, and no unsolicited interest.

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 12:17:27 AM   
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You're 26, and been in and out of the scene throughout the years...   Some women might think you a little flaky, or disingenuous.   
Than the newly chaste thing is just not even something some of us want to look at or consider, unless we;re the ones who made you that way...   I'm not into it, but others are into the chastity thing, when they impose it.    

Otherwise, there is no problem in being open about what you want...  Oh yeah, there might be a hint of arrogance in your profile too, but maybe it' just me reading this and thinking hmmm
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when deciding whom to spend my time with, and not everyone is into kink (hence my numerous hiatuses). In other words, there are people worth dating to whom a belt is just for holding up one's pants.

I am arguably too intelligent and sensitive for my own good. The former makes submission difficult for me because I am able to sense the dynamics of the relationships in which I become involved and, in a d/s dynamic, either become quickly bored and/or dissatisfied with and by the quality of a Domme's will and input
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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 12:30:39 AM   
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Ah, so.
Thanks for the input.  That's certainly food for thought.  Cheers.  :)

... and with regard to the arrogance, well, I am generally humble, but there's a time and place for it, in my opinion:  I won't give myself to anyone who's just picked up a flogger and calls herself a Domme; nor will I feel a sense of humility in the presence of someone who is not literally my superior.  That's truth in advertising.  Granted, it may be a little off-putting, but it will save me more unnecessary false starts.

Anyway, I was curious about more general interest, not necessarily to have my profile critiqued.  (Though it is appreciated, noted, and will be acted upon.)

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 6:26:52 AM   
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Yes, silly, women browse men's profiles.  While each will look for something a little different I'll tell you the type of profile I most enjoy seeing.

I like seeing a tasteful photo.  The profile should be about two to four paragraphs long for easy reading - it is only an introduction.  I look for something of substance and not a kink wish list.  Humor is a bonus but not necessary.  I don't want to read about what your ideal Domme is, but something about YOU.

I enjoy seeing journal entries that are not rants but show some introspection.  I don't want to see a list of likes and dislikes that has dozens of entries, but maybe half a dozen to a dozen carefully selected ones.  If someone piques my interest I will write and then find out more.  It's kind of like unwrapping a gift.  It takes the fun away if I see too much at once.  (Just my personal opinion.)


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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 7:04:35 AM   
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nor will I feel a sense of humility in the presence of someone who is not literally my superior.  That's truth in advertising.  Granted, it may be a little off-putting, but it will save me more unnecessary false starts.

What do you mean by your "superior?"  Someone who scored higher on a standardized test?  Someone who makes more money?  Someone whose pic got better rated on hotornot?  Someone born into greater economic privilege?

Your posts have an air of, "I will allow some mistress the privilege of doing me from time to time."  You might get more action if you didn't come off as God's Gift to Leather-Clad Women.

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 8:04:06 AM   
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Red,  I'm going to guess that his "superior" doesn't have any pre-defined absolute values, but, rather, he'll know her when he finds her.  I'm the same in looking for a sub - but I'm looking for my equal, not my inferior.  If you asked me to define him, I couldn't come up with a scale of values on which I could tick the boxes.  Generally, I want someone with a master's degree or higher, yet I'd happily consider someone with only a BA or equivalent, if he had lots of interesting life experience.  He has to like art, but he doesn't necessarily have to like the same kind of art that I do.  It would be nice if he liked opera but, more than anything, he needs not to like rap.  That sort of thing.  It's more a process of assessing what traits in someone you have to have and those on which you can negotiate; one has to look at the total.

To the OP, I think it's great that you know what you want.  No point wasting time on something that will ultimately prove to be unworkable, and even if you do come off sounding a bit arrogant, if you don't think highly of yourself, why should I?  The problem is, there's no set of formulae that you can follow to attract the person of your dreams, as potential partners will all react differently to what you post.

I do have to be honest in that I rarely ever look at men's profiles.  There's enough interest coming in, even when I state clearly that I'm too busy to look for a partner, that I don't have the time to check profiles.  I don't even have time to respond to the email that I get, and I think you'll find that that is the same for a lot of women.  You just have to be patient.

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 8:16:44 AM   
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quote:

What do you mean by your "superior?"

Your posts have an air of, "I will allow some mistress the privilege of doing me from time to time." You might get more action if you didn't come off as God's Gift to Leather-Clad Women.


Regarding superiority:
This is subjective.  Though the attributes of which you've made mention enter into my estimation (namely, intelligence, economic mobility, and attractiveness to me)--as I'm sure they enter into one's estimation of a potential partner--they are not necessarily exclusive.  Meaning, for example, that a person working a minimum-wage job isn't necessarily precluded; however, it does beg some significant questions:  is he/she going to school; is he/she planning on depending on the income of someone else; did his/her industry take a hit from the economic downturn; et. al. 

Perhaps instead of "superior" I should have said "of equal or higher quality"--a woman of higher quality than me won't require a suspension of disbelief to serve her; will challenge and/or engage me on numerous levels; will enrich my life, as I will hers. 

There's a figure of speech that's relevant, here, which I'll have to paraphrase:
"One doesn't use a draft horse to pull a vegetable cart." 

A draft horse made to pull a vegetable cart will get bored and unruly: they're born and bred to pull heavy loads.  Don't think of a draft horse as arrogant because it's supposed to pull more weight than a pony--it just is what it is.

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 8:28:16 AM   
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who says we only browse men's profiles?  each dominant female has her own criteria for what she wants, we are as individual as snowflakes.  we can't really be defined by one response to a question.  there is no domme wrapped in yellow packaging with the word "domme" printed in black across her chest.

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 8:48:35 AM   
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quote:

who says we only browse men's profiles? each dominant female has her own criteria for what she wants, we are as individual as snowflakes. we can't really be defined by one response to a question. there is no domme wrapped in yellow packaging with the word "domme" printed in black across her chest.


I don't believe anyone said that dominant women only browse mens' profiles, but your response raises a very serious, very important question:  how do I compete with women?  

(Just kidding.)

I didn't intend to lump all you dominant women together, so I apologize if you feel you've been lumped.  I wanted your opinion--not to get you to speak on behalf of all Dommes with regard to what "you all" like to see.  Sorry if I didn't put that across more clearly at the get-go, but forums are a good place to clarify something uncertain--which is what I was trying for. 

Cheers.  :)

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 8:55:13 AM   
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Perhaps instead of "superior" I should have said "of equal or higher quality"

My point is that the highly successful people I know almost never talk this way.  They tend to talk about how much of life they don't understand, and act genuinely curious in the viewpoints of others.  They got good at whatever they got good at, by paying attention to other people, not just themselves.  By contrast, the people I have known who talk the way you are currently posting, tend to be people who were very good in school, but did not "live up to the hype."  Meaning, they think they should be highly successful, and yet they are not.

There's a certain amount of luck to getting ahead, no matter how much talent you have and work you put in.  But if you find yourself unable to maintain a relationship for more than a few months, or if you find that other people are starting to pass you by even though you are "innately smarter," you might consider changing the way you perceive the world.  It might be that those other people have something that you lack, and it will take you a tremendous amount of work to instill it within yourself.


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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 9:29:45 AM   
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My point is that the highly successful people I know almost never talk this way. They tend to talk about how much of life they don't understand, and act genuinely curious in the viewpoints of others. They got good at whatever they got good at, by paying attention to other people, not just themselves. By contrast, the people I have known who talk the way you are currently posting, tend to be people who were very good in school, but did not "live up to the hype." Meaning, they think they should be highly successful, and yet they are not.

There's a certain amount of luck to getting ahead, no matter how much talent you have and work you put in. But if you find yourself unable to maintain a relationship for more than a few months, or if you find that other people are starting to pass you by even though you are "innately smarter," you might consider changing the way you perceive the world. It might be that those other people have something that you lack, and it will take you a tremendous amount of work to instill it within yourself.


Sheesh.
First, let me say that I don't appreciate being spoken to that way.  You've just projected a load of unfair, untrue, and inappropriate value judgments on me.  By the standards of normal society, I'm relatively successful for my age: I'm well-enough paid to own a home and a new car; my coworkers defer to me with regard to important decisions; and I'm quite comfortable with where I am in life--all this through my own effort, and being good with people in general.

Second, don't accuse me--or anyone else, for that matter--of being "smart."  That's a backhanded sting (at best), and is telling.

Third, if I weren't interested in the opinions of others, why would I have made a post here asking for input?  (By the way, you've still not provided any.)  If you had anything to add to my life, you could have done it by providing the input I asked for; instead, you chose to turn this forum into a debate about what you imagine my character to be.  At any rate, attacking a person's character and values doesn't generally change their point of view.

As an aside, correlation is not causation--the "highly successful people you talk to" are not successful because they "almost never talk" [as I do]; nor are they successful because they talk about "how much of life they don't understand."  While it is most probably true that they're successful (IN PART) because they listen to others, they didn't get to be successful on that merit alone--I can guarantee you that.  Anyway, they're wholly irrelevant to this conversation (unless you mean that they're successful in relationships, in which case I would say that listening to and being interested in others is a well-known basis for creating a relationship--that's not news to me).

In short, you've wholly invalidated whatever constructive input you might have accidentally intended by speaking in theoretical terms, assumptions, and slander.

Good day.

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 9:52:28 AM   
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I can't "slander" you if I know nothing about you.  I can only speak to my own experience on the site, and how your writing style compares.

For example, I dated a woman off CM who owns several houses, and was more financially successful than you are, at a younger age.  Her profile was very simple and approachable.  She once told me, "I want to be open for a special guy.  I don't want men selecting themselves out because they think I'm out of their league.  I want anybody interested to drop me a line, and then I'll sort through email and IM."  That approachability is part of what makes her a genius in the business world.

I have no basis on which to judge you.  However, everyone reading your words will judge your words.  I'm saying that people who really are all that and a bag of chips don't usually go around crowing about themselves.  They don't need to; their actions speak loudly enough.  It's like saying "I'm attractive," on a profile.  Why do it?  The lady's going to see a pic.  Either she'll think you're attractive, or she won't.  Saying "I'm attractive," sounds either vain, or like someone insecure trying to convince themselves.


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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 10:16:18 AM   
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There.  That's somewhat more conversational.

Your comparison of me with this business genius woman is still not quite fair or balanced--I'm not a successful businessperson, a multiple homeowner, or a woman--but it does get a point across:  successful and humble resonates, for you, and you dislike prideful people.

So I have some minor self-esteem issues.  I think if you consider your position, there's a big difference between saying "I'm attractive" and "I'm ugly"--if I think of myself as valuable and worthwhile, please excuse me:  it's taken me some time to get here, and I won't stop saying those things.  I'm not as approachable as some for the simple reason that I'm still sensitive, and am a little defensive.

Besides, there are enough no-self esteem wallet pig doormat whatever subs for all the "do-me" Dommes out there. (I used to get e-mails from them, and have met a few.)  Is it so bad that I say that I'm not one of those?  I'm special, different, intelligent, worthwhile.  Can you fault me (or anyone else) for saying or thinking that?

Did I say I was all that and a bag of chips?  If so, I need to revisit my profile, for sure.

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 10:29:43 AM   
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The one woman who has looked at your profile and posted said that you came off as arrogant, and that some women would find you flaky and disingenuous.  You said you'd deal with it.  I haven't looked at your profile.  Have you made changes as a result of her concerns?  If you disagreed, it would be different.  But you said you'd do something.  Have you?

It doesn't sound like a winner of a profile to me.  Also, the lecturing tone in your posts is not going to win you a lot of positive female attention to your profile.  Someone like PanthersMom, who has tremendous life experience, and knows waaayyyy more than you do, is not the kind of person to "correct," the way you did, as though speaking to a child.

You are, of course, free to do anything you wish, within site rules.  I am only explaining the kind of thing I have found useful to do (and to avoid), in order to get unsolicited emails from women, and in order to get responses to emails I write.


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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 10:37:13 AM   
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The one woman who has looked at your profile and posted said that you came off as arrogant, and that some women would find you flaky and disingenuous.  You said you'd deal with it.  I haven't looked at your profile.  Have you made changes as a result of her concerns?  If you disagreed, it would be different.  But you said you'd do something.  Have you?

It doesn't sound like a winner of a profile to me.  Also, the lecturing tone in your posts is not going to win you a lot of positive female attention to your profile.  Someone like PanthersMom, who has tremendous life experience, and knows waaayyyy more than you do, is not the kind of person to "correct," the way you did, as though speaking to a child.

You are, of course, free to do anything you wish, within site rules.  I am only explaining the kind of thing I have found useful to do (and to avoid), in order to get unsolicited emails from women, and in order to get responses to emails I write.


On that note, I would like to thank Venatrix and ChamberQueen for their relevant, helpful input. 

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 10:44:44 AM   
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RE: profiles..
 
I look right away to see if there is anything in it about enhancing a life..the life of the MISTRESS..
I look to see if there are 'signs' of a submissive nature
I look for intelligence abd how they present it..arrogantly or as in" I  love to discuss Rumi..politics etc.."
I check for signs of desperation..jumping at any DOMME
I check to see thought has been put into what drives HIS submission..what he desires...
I try to discern if he sees BDSM as a 2 way relationship or one..
I try to see if he is a wuss...doormat or a strong man with much to give..
I check the profile for evidence of seeing relationship as a building process
I check what he puts first...in the profile.. himself or how he wishes to serve..or a bit about BDSM
I check for humour
I try to see if there is stability in his life...


and I did read your profile and I will bite my TONGUE
 UNLESS you wish feedback there..
 
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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 11:04:17 AM   
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OP, listen to Red.   I know him personally, and I respect his opinions.   I really do pay close attention to how men read each other, and who gets along with/respects who. 

I read your profile, and like GQ, I am holding my tongue.  If your profile is a true representation of your personality, then you need do nothing else.

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 11:24:15 AM   
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I'm just frustrated.
You call me arrogant; I explain myself.  You say that I'm explaining myself in a way you might not, someone sticks up for me and is ignored, someone says something without having read my original post.  So begins a flame war.  This is a typical message board.

I'm young, not terribly experienced with BDSM, and looking for some constructive input--which I have received (albeit through no small amount of trials and tribulations) here--is that so much to ask?  It's easy to judge when you're old and tenured.  When you're a new face with not so much experience, well, your opinion has no value, unless it's wrong. 

I flatly refuse to accept input based on faulty and/or irrelevant presumptions and/or analogies--RedMagic started by being way off base, and has been way off base throughout--and has behaved exactly as I would expect someone who is tenured on a message board to behave:  like he owns the place.

An apology would be nice.  I may not be right, here, but at least I came looking for some guidance--being a prick to someone with an honest question is inexcusable.  (Incidentally, it's for exactly that reason that I am the way I am, so if you don't like it, check your premises:  I think you'll find that you're not as approachable as you preach for others to be...)

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 11:31:24 AM   
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Okay, first, get used to the boards.   You asked for opinions, not only opinions that you would enjoy hearing.   Looking back at M's post, I don't see where she was sticking up for you especially, and I don't think we were ignoring her. 

In my opinion, you come off as brash, arrogant, and very sure that you know all the answers already.  I find that an interesting counterpoint to your self described "slave tendencies".  Not that slaves can't have minds of their own, of course, but I do expect them to be able to present themselves graciously. 

If you have been in and out of the scene for so long, how is it that you now claim to be inexperienced?  Mixed signals are a very bad thing...  

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RE: I'm Looking For... (profile question-ish) - 5/31/2009 11:37:49 AM   
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i see there has been some change to the profile

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